(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

[chikyblink]

hi Wook2000. thanks for the recommendation. I will definitely look at Lelit Bianca. Very cool way of manual control profile. I thought only LM has this! very interesting! i was also looking at Rocket Mozzafiato Evoluzione R with PID in matte black. Lelit Bianca is now no. 1 on my consideration list. very good digital display with so many different options.


I've decided i will go with Eureka Mignon specialita for grinder.

For espresso making, it's all about the grinder. This should be your top priority when purchasing your setup. I see many ppl prioritizing the machine over the grinder when they started out. I made that same mistake b4 myself.

I generally have 2 criteria when purchasing a grinder. Big burrs and low retention. For flats, anything above 70mm. For conical, anything above 60mm.

I'm not saying regular smaller burrs are bad. They're perfectly fine for home espresso. But bigger sized burrs are just much easier to dial in to in my experience.

Small burrs have a much smaller ballpark to hit. The area between a choked shot and a gusher is tighter. Dialing in the right shot is more frustrating and wastes more coffee and time.

And imo, for bigger burrs, the coffee notes are more clearly defined.

All I'm saying is, when you set a budget for an espresso setup, the priority and majority of your budget should go into the grinder.

 

[shdwkillr]

And imo, for bigger burrs, the coffee notes are more clearly defined.

All I'm saying is, when you set a budget for an espresso setup, the priority and majority of your budget should go into the grinder.

I've heard advice on prioritising the grinder over the espresso machine and I agree with it too. However, I have a question, if we were to invest a lot on a grinder, ie. a high end grinder, but using a entry level espresso machine (in my case, it is the Rocket Appartamento), is it going to be overkilled and simply just can't get the results of what the high end grinder going to bring to the coffee notes?

 

[chikyblink]

I've heard advice on prioritising the grinder over the espresso machine and I agree with it too. However, I have a question, if we were to invest a lot on a grinder, ie. a high end grinder, but using a entry level espresso machine (in my case, it is the Rocket Appartamento), is it going to be overkilled and simply just can't get the results of what the high end grinder going to bring to the coffee notes?

The Rocket Appartamento is certainly NOT entry level! I mean a E61 grouphead plus heat exchanger comfortably put it in the middle range level.

Entry level machines to me are the single boiler types like the Delonghis, Gaggia classics and the Rancilio Silvias. And even these are adequate! I'll be totally ok with pairing a top-of-the-line grinder with any of these!

 

[shdwkillr]

The Rocket Appartamento is certainly NOT entry level! I mean a E61 grouphead plus heat exchanger comfortably put it in the middle range level.

Entry level machines to me are the single boiler types like the Delonghis, Gaggia classics and the Rancilio Silvias. And even these are adequate! I'll be totally ok with pairing a top-of-the-line grinder with any of these!

Thanks!! I'm planning for an upgrade of my grinder and because advices have leaned towards getting a very good grinder instead of spending on an expensive espresso machine, therefore I've budgeted for a good grinder this year and for the next few years I do not see myself changing my Appartamento. Thank you for your assurance that I can pair a good grinder to my Appartamento nicely for the next few years at least!

 

[patryn33]

Thanks!! I'm planning for an upgrade of my grinder and because advices have leaned towards getting a very good grinder instead of spending on an expensive espresso machine, therefore I've budgeted for a good grinder this year and for the next few years I do not see myself changing my Appartamento. Thank you for your assurance that I can pair a good grinder to my Appartamento nicely for the next few years at least!

The Rocket Appartamento not expensive? Decent DE1+ also cheap? La Marzocco Linea Or slayer when u think of upgrade?

Imho pair with a good grinder like niche zero or HG1 u can be fine using the combo for over 10yrs easy

 

[shdwkillr]

The Rocket Appartamento not expensive? Decent DE1+ also cheap? La Marzocco Linea Or slayer when u think of upgrade?

Imho pair with a good grinder like niche zero or HG1 u can be fine using the combo for over 10yrs easy

Not denying that Appartamento is not cheap too. But my point was, I've bought Appartamento some years back, and if I'm going to upgrade the machine, for sure it will be one which is more expensive than Appartamento. So if I were to have an upgrade now, I think I should upgrade my grinder instead of my machine.

 

[wook2000]

There is still alot of life left for an e61 .

https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device

Buy this to upgrade to Slayer style flow control .. it's similiar to the bianca.

 

[shdwkillr]

There is still alot of life left for an e61 .

https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device

Buy this to upgrade to Slayer style flow control .. it's similiar to the bianca.

wow!! didn't know thing like this exists! certainly lots to play off the e61. From the video, I'm way more interested at this point to get the pressure meter to be attached to my e61 group head as the Appartamento doesn't have the group head pressure meter. Not sure if there is any place locally selling that group head pressure meter that can fit on e61?

 

[wook2000]

A thermometer at the group head would help with you shots tremendously compared to the pressure guage. The pressure guage is a once u set it at certain bar, its not gonna change unless u are going to the flow control route.

A thermometer can track the changing dynamics of flushes, warm up and cool flushes, to give you a better understanding of the group head and when to maximise the shot temp.

 

[shdwkillr]

A thermometer at the group head would help with you shots tremendously compared to the pressure guage. The pressure guage is a once u set it at certain bar, its not gonna change unless u are going to the flow control route.

A thermometer can track the changing dynamics of flushes, warm up and cool flushes, to give you a better understanding of the group head and when to maximise the shot temp.

any local retailer selling this thermometer?

 

[wook2000]

http://m.designcoffee.com/product/e61-그룹헤드-온도계-thermometer/520/category/1/display/3/

Unfortunately no sellers in sg I bought mine previously from above

 

[patryn33]

any local retailer selling this thermometer?

I bought mine online too...
https://www.chriscoffee.com/e61-digital-thermometer-adapter-p/sss-04.htm
https://www.theespressoshop.co.uk/Mobile/en/Coffee-Sensor-E61-HX-and-Dual-Boiler-Digital-Grouphead-Thermometer/m-m-4258.aspx?

 

[patryn33]

There is still alot of life left for an e61 .

https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-e61-flow-control-device

Buy this to upgrade to Slayer style flow control .. it's similiar to the bianca.

Thanx for the info! Just watch the video, how to install both thermometer and flow control. After some googling guess I am not the only one
https://www.home-barista.com/tips/e61-thermometer-vs-pressure-profiling-gauge-for-hx-espresso-machines-t58345.html

Found another more costly
https://www.1st-line.com/buy/lelit-bianca-flow-paddle/

 

[alim218]

I’ve indicated interest for HG1 coffee grinder. How long does it take for them to get back to you? Anyone has any experience? I think I’ll face a situation where espresso machine will be here before my grinder.

 

[wook2000]

Based on their website, it seems the HG 1 is out of stock, maybe they are focusing more on the EG1 V2 at this moment.


The niche is selling on alixpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220...371.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.5d44428bfIED73 you may want to take a look

 

[alim218]

Based on their website, it seems the HG 1 is out of stock, maybe they are focusing more on the EG1 V2 at this moment.


The niche is selling on alixpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220...371.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.5d44428bfIED73 you may want to take a look

Thanks. Don’t mind me asking. Is it authentic?

 

[wook2000]

Thanks. Don’t mind me asking. Is it authentic?

I guess its original, the market for such grinders is really NICHE for people to fake..haha..

WPM and Niche worked very closely , seeing that the seller carries alot of WPM products, i am guessing its legit. Most probably Niche is markets under the WPM brand in Asia/china region as their distributor/manufacturer

 

[alim218]

I guess its original, the market for such grinders is really NICHE for people to fake..haha..

WPM and Niche worked very closely , seeing that the seller carries alot of WPM products, i am guessing its legit. Most probably Niche is markets under the WPM brand in Asia/china region as their distributor/manufacturer

Yeah agree with ur observations too. They have the fake HG 1 hand grinders. Lol

 

[patryn33]

I guess its original, the market for such grinders is really NICHE for people to fake..haha..

WPM and Niche worked very closely , seeing that the seller carries alot of WPM products, i am guessing its legit. Most probably Niche is markets under the WPM brand in Asia/china region as their distributor/manufacturer

This fake more expensive than real.

 

[patryn33]

Yeah agree with ur observations too. They have the fake HG 1 hand grinders. Lol

Usd$1400 with shipping for me, real is us$1k plus shipping usually free for me around Xmas