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wow that is profound indeed, but interesting ! im not sure what machine to buy now.. rancilio silvia or dedica or gaggia ; grinder - capresso infinity, lido2, anonymous grinder

I'm even considering now the bean-to-cup machines such as the intelia.

shld i get bean-to-cup or machine+grinder? HELP
 

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wow that is profound indeed, but interesting ! im not sure what machine to buy now.. rancilio silvia or dedica or gaggia ; grinder - capresso infinity, lido2, anonymous grinder

I'm even considering now the bean-to-cup machines such as the intelia.

shld i get bean-to-cup or machine+grinder? HELP

depends on what you're looking for... Are you simply looking for a cup of coffee every morning? Or are you looking to learn more about coffee and espresso extraction?
 

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yep im interested in the nuances of coffee and coffee making. Thinking of perhaps the brewtus, but im afraid my newbie handling skills will do it no justice. especially maintenance also, im afraid i might neglect it.
 

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As long as your grind setting had been properly set, it's like hot knife cutting butter. Better machines are suppose to make it easier, not harder.

Actually there isn't much to maintain.
In fact i think i may be overdoing it.

Machines like Nespresso and Delonghi ask you to flush after your last cup.
I can tell you it's barely enough and there's nothing more you can do.
Use a cotton bud and take a glide in the nozzle and out it comes all black. Imagine drinking the rancid oil throughout. :vijayadmin:
 

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yep im interested in the nuances of coffee and coffee making. Thinking of perhaps the brewtus, but im afraid my newbie handling skills will do it no justice. especially maintenance also, im afraid i might neglect it.
If you like espresso or lattes get an espresso machine.

If you just want to enjoy and appreciate coffees and not a must to drink espressos, then i think brewing coffee using pourover or infusion methods are probably better. easier to appreciate the differences in single origins, washed vs natural processed, high altitude vs low , robusta vs arabicas, geishas vs heirloom, etc

Espresso is delicious and intense but nuances are not always easy to pick out.

if you have a friend who has an espresso machine get him to let you try making a shot. some effort trial and error and skill is required to make a good shot. easier to make good brewed coffee.

I went with the french press when i started out then got the jura, silvia, vbm. Along the way got the aeropress, multiple v60s, kalita wave, syphon, vietnamese phin, bialletti and woodneck.

Hope to keep collecting and maybe one day get a slayer, strada or hydra...


of course all this is nothing without good beans....


I suppose if you have zero experience with speciality coffee get a cheap v60 and a porlex with some nylon, papa palheta, ninety plus, strangers reunion, or cup of excellence single origins will give you tons of enjoyment.

when you want to go into espresso and if finances allow it just venture into a capable hx or double boiler. Single boiler with pid if you only make espressos should be ok.
maybe at the onset get a machine with a 58mm portafilter. then you can use vst baskets which helps with extraction with most coffees.

take it slow and enjoy the (coffee) journey!
 

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wow that is profound indeed, but interesting ! im not sure what machine to buy now.. rancilio silvia or dedica or gaggia ; grinder - capresso infinity, lido2, anonymous grinder

I'm even considering now the bean-to-cup machines such as the intelia.

shld i get bean-to-cup or machine+grinder? HELP

Budget still at $500?

Neglect really depends on individual, if you pick up tea in favor of coffee sure those machines will be there collecting dust. Or say u have twins or triples busy with new family members an no time for coffee certainly too!
Or it maybe work, u fly often hardly in sg 70% of the time.

Only you understand your situation
 
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It's not hard and time consuming to use.
Unless you need some physical work picking a hand grinder.

Infact, everyone in my home from 14 to 70 yo is using it.
 

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As long as your grind setting had been properly set, it's like hot knife cutting butter. Better machines are suppose to make it easier, not harder.

Actually there isn't much to maintain.
In fact i think i may be overdoing it.

Machines like Nespresso and Delonghi ask you to flush after your last cup.
I can tell you it's barely enough and there's nothing more you can do.
Use a cotton bud and take a glide in the nozzle and out it comes all black. Imagine drinking the rancid oil throughout. :vijayadmin:

wah like cleaning rifle barrel full of oil haha. so you would not reco delonghi machines? have actually shortlisted a delonghi machine with milk tank
 

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If you like espresso or lattes get an espresso machine.

If you just want to enjoy and appreciate coffees and not a must to drink espressos, then i think brewing coffee using pourover or infusion methods are probably better. easier to appreciate the differences in single origins, washed vs natural processed, high altitude vs low , robusta vs arabicas, geishas vs heirloom, etc

Espresso is delicious and intense but nuances are not always easy to pick out.

if you have a friend who has an espresso machine get him to let you try making a shot. some effort trial and error and skill is required to make a good shot. easier to make good brewed coffee.

I went with the french press when i started out then got the jura, silvia, vbm. Along the way got the aeropress, multiple v60s, kalita wave, syphon, vietnamese phin, bialletti and woodneck.

Hope to keep collecting and maybe one day get a slayer, strada or hydra...


of course all this is nothing without good beans....


I suppose if you have zero experience with speciality coffee get a cheap v60 and a porlex with some nylon, papa palheta, ninety plus, strangers reunion, or cup of excellence single origins will give you tons of enjoyment.

when you want to go into espresso and if finances allow it just venture into a capable hx or double boiler. Single boiler with pid if you only make espressos should be ok.
maybe at the onset get a machine with a 58mm portafilter. then you can use vst baskets which helps with extraction with most coffees.

take it slow and enjoy the (coffee) journey!

hmm actually im more inclined toward a machine. i like espresso. only thing is there are so many machines in the market, and I am actually ok to look at higher range models (and grinders). what are vst baskets?
 

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Budget still at $500?

Neglect really depends on individual, if you pick up tea in favor of coffee sure those machines will be there collecting dust. Or say u have twins or triples busy with new family members an no time for coffee certainly too!
Or it maybe work, u fly often hardly in sg 70% of the time.

Only you understand your situation

yeah.. i think i have to increase. looks like grinder seems more important than machine !
 

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I'll just leave this here
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Bottom line : you can save on the espresso machine but you should spend as much as you can on the grinder. Plus good fresh beans, your chances of making good espressos in the morning shoot up tremendously.

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The espresso looks over burned. :(

My Nespresso last time could make a thick crema too but of course crema is not everything. Super under extracted.

I emailed macap once asking opinion for their 58mm and 64mm grinder model for home use.
The reply suggest that the cheapest m2m is more practical and sufficient for home use.

A store in Germany let me try a 50mm and a 64mm side by side, don't taste much difference. Maybe calibration issues.

Maybe I'm a bad coffee drinker but I think a grinder with stepless configuration should solve most issues.
Drawback is you can't switch to coarse grind easily which is no problem to me since I don't appreciate those.

But then decent enough grinders are still at least in the $500 mark. :(
 
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VST baskets are "precision" portafilter baskets
http://store.vstapps.com/products/vst-precision-filter-baskets

check out the description yourself.

it is less forgiving but don't let that deter you. i find the shots better with VST 18g at 18g than the standard double at 14g that comes with my machine. As the standard double only suppose to hold 14-15g so it is not really a fair comparison too.

if you are looking a higher end models, i suggest deciding between rotary and vibratory pump first to narrow down your list.

i find well roasted beans played a more significant role than higher and higher end grinders.
 

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VST baskets are "precision" portafilter baskets
http://store.vstapps.com/products/vst-precision-filter-baskets

check out the description yourself.

it is less forgiving but don't let that deter you. i find the shots better with VST 18g at 18g than the standard double at 14g that comes with my machine. As the standard double only suppose to hold 14-15g so it is not really a fair comparison too.

if you are looking a higher end models, i suggest deciding between rotary and vibratory pump first to narrow down your list.

i find well roasted beans played a more significant role than higher and higher end grinders.

Yup i agree with you. After a certain price point, the improvement in taste you get per dollar spent tapers off sharply, kinda like audiophile equipment. Well roasted/blended coffee will be the key to great tasting espresso/coffee
 

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what is a reasonable grinder below 500 ? will capresso infinity do the job? cant seem to find in singapore.

also, i stay in the east and work in the west. Anyone got recommendations for coffee roasters around this area?
 

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Yeah, I also agree that beans will play a bigger part than the grinder.

It also depends on the roast level, the species and nature of the beans.
Some are harder to pull and harder to preserve.
Like Esmeralda Panama and general South African coffee.
They can taste splendid if you can pull it well though.

On the other hand, certain coffee are easier to pull.
Like Mexico Maragogype, Indonesia Manheling, robusta, etc

I notice light roasted coffee are the worst, and it can better be achieved if you use at least 18g of coffee.

Yeah, the espresso pic in the previous page is overburned, can tell from the crema. Most likely due to bad temp or going too fine.
 

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what is a reasonable grinder below 500 ? will capresso infinity do the job? cant seem to find in singapore.

also, i stay in the east and work in the west. Anyone got recommendations for coffee roasters around this area?

In the range of 500 I would recommend a Lelit PL53. I was looking for a grinder in this same price range a couple of month ago, did some researches and ended up with the Lelit.

Coming close is the Ascaso mini, $380 brand new so its still below your budget. The design is very similar to the Lelit with stepless adjustment, etc. The only drawback is the coffee retention in the Ascaso mini, I heard is about 5-7g which is a lot.
I modded the Lelit to show the current setting so switching back and forth between grind settings for different beans is not a problem for me.
 

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Yeah, I also agree that beans will play a bigger part than the grinder.

It also depends on the roast level, the species and nature of the beans.
Some are harder to pull and harder to preserve.
Like Esmeralda Panama and general South African coffee.
They can taste splendid if you can pull it well though.

On the other hand, certain coffee are easier to pull.
Like Mexico Maragogype, Indonesia Manheling, robusta, etc

I notice light roasted coffee are the worst, and it can better be achieved if you use at least 18g of coffee.

Yeah, the espresso pic in the previous page is overburned, can tell from the crema. Most likely due to bad temp or going too fine.
I would totally agree with your comments on African beans and light roast (for some reasons, these 2 often come hand in hand :s13:)
I struggled a lot trying to pull a good shot on some very lightly roasted Ethiopian and Kenyan. I grind significantly finer than my usual setting for Brazil and Sumatra beans and the shots still run way too fast (18-23s).
What I did was to up dose and increase the temp by 3 degree to compensate.
 

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Lelit is $533 after gst.
Quite small at 38mm..i think surely high rpm and very hot.
Stepped, no timer.

Maybe I will try to look for a better one.

Can consider Macap M2M, Bezzera BB005 and Compak K3 Touch Advanced.

If no choice, try a hand grinder first for a tight budget.
 
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