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Hi Team OCBC, do you have a SOP on how we should deal with calls from OCBC staff?

Suppose I receive a call which goes like this:

Caller: Hi can i speak to Tan Ah Kow

Me: Speaking, can i know where u are calling from? (NB: I'm not even sure if i should confirm that I am Tan Ah Kow in the first place, but let us assume it is ok for now)

Caller: I am from OCBC. But first, I need you to provide your last 4 numbers of NRIC for verification purposes

Question is: how should i proceed?

1. I definitely do not think that I should provide my last 4 numbers of NRIC, or other sensitive info e.g. Mother maiden name, Wife surname, how many accounts etc. Cos if the caller is a crook, then they can call OCBC and if lucky get thru the verification checks and gain control of my acc.

2. But if i don't give, then the call will end. I can call the OCBC hotline but will the CSO know what the matter is about? If the matter turns out to be truly urgent e.g.my cc got fraud, then it will be a disaster.

Ideally i think what should happen is:
1. If urgent, OCBC call me, and then give me a Code.
2. I call the official OCBC no, and this should be a number which does not involve waiting for 1h for a CSO to pickup.
3. I enter the Code, and the CSO does verification. So even if OCBC calls the wrong dude in Step 1, the fella will not be able to go thru.
4. Resolve matter.

The only downside is that if OCBC calls a wrong dude, then the real dude will not get informed in time, so this method is also not perfect.

So can u advise what is the foolproof SOP?

NB: Just to be clear, I have not received such a call from OCBC.
ya but imagine if it is bogus and the fella by now will know ur name, phone number and last4 digit NRIC

can OCBC confirm that a person with such info will 100% not be able to do something funny and gain access to ur account?

I think what is needed is a sure but 100% confirm plus chop safe way for people to handle such calls. Cos right now is abit no government right?
ya but imagine if it is bogus and the fella by now will know ur name, phone number and last4 digit NRIC

can OCBC confirm that a person with such info will 100% not be able to do something funny and gain access to ur account?

I think what is needed is a sure but 100% confirm plus chop safe way for people to handle such calls. Cos right now is abit no government right?

Hi RDInvestor & Frostmourne1987

Thanks for your queries & we appreciate your concerns

Truthfully, we doubt any organisation is able to give you a foolproof answer you're seeking for. With the current technology, we can verify an actual customer is by asking those few personal particulars. This is the quickest way to reach out to a customer urgently and get to the heart of the issue

We understand your concern to verify the caller. What we can suggest is these few measures to take when picking up a call asking for your details:

1. If at any time you're uncomfortable to proceed with the call, ask for the caller's name & where he's calling from. And end the call

2. Get in touch with OCBC Bank via the official channels

- Call 1800 363 3333. Our IVR has voice biometric & speech recognition to recognise a customer's voice.
- If you're unable to call, log in to your OCBC Internet Banking & send us a secured email. We can assist with any issues related to your account via that secured email

Aside from that, we wish to assure you that OCBC staff can only access account information on a need-to-know basis. For example, when a staff needs to reach out to a customer to advise on urgent account information

^Sh
 

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Truthfully, we doubt any organisation is able to give you a foolproof answer you're seeking for. With the current technology, we can verify an actual customer is by asking those few personal particulars. This is the quickest way to reach out to a customer urgently and get to the heart of the issue

We understand your concern to verify the caller. What we can suggest is these few measures to take when picking up a call asking for your details:

1. If at any time you're uncomfortable to proceed with the call, ask for the caller's name & where he's calling from. And end the call

2. Get in touch with OCBC Bank via the official channels

- Call 1800 363 3333. Our IVR has voice biometric & speech recognition to recognise a customer's voice.
- If you're unable to call, log in to your OCBC Internet Banking & send us a secured email. We can assist with any issues related to your account via that secured email

Aside from that, we wish to assure you that OCBC staff can only access account information on a need-to-know basis. For example, when a staff needs to reach out to a customer to advise on urgent account information

^Sh
Hi, i hope i am not being rude but i am extremely disappointed with the reply.

The underlying question is: " Do you think there is a potential flaw in the current setup where a client needs to provide sensitive info to a random caller using a random number. And if exploited, is the downside disastrous"

I might be paranoid, but i think the answer is a definite "YES".

Your answer seems to suggest there is nothing more that can be done to improve and to even eliminate the flaw completely.

I have suggested an alternative handshaking protocol described in my earlier post (i.e. give the client a code and the client call to the official number), I acknowledge that this is problematic in its own way.

I can also think of an alternative i.e.
1. Before the call is made, an SMS be sent from OCBC official header to the client alerting me of a call from OCBC regarding some urgent matters. With the setup of Singapore SMS Sender ID Registry, I can be certain the SMS is genuine and not a spoof. The SMS should contain a unique code.
2. OCBC staff then calls me, and gives me the code FIRST. So the onus is on the OCBC staff to prove to me he is real, before even proceeding to ask me anything.
3. If u are able to do all that, there is a 2 stage authentication going on, and personally I will actually be very comfortable with giving the last 4 NRIC numbers. (Maybe other forummers have other opinions though)

I'm sure with the team of talents in OCBC, someone should be able to come up with a SOLUTION. If OCBC has no solution, but recognises there is a problem, then maybe u guys should call up the other banks and MAS and tell them there is a problem that needs to be solved but u guys cannot solve. Unless u think the current setup has NO PROBLEMS. or that the risks are perfectly acceptable.

Again I must emphasis that currently, the client receives a call from a random person using a random phone number and is supposed to give sensitive info. The fella can then use these info i.e. name, phone and last4 NRIC or other verification answers. Can u confirm that a combination of these info, even if leaked, will not compromise my banking security?

At this stage, my solution is to reject all calls from OCBC regarding any matters. I simply cannot accept such a unsafe handshaking protocol. (NB: Actually i will reject all calls from all banks that practice this way of calling me. Pls understand I am not being mean to OCBC only - just that u guys are the only ones with a HWZ account, thus kanna this question)
 
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Hey there

You're right. Double Bonus Interest will be credited within 15 working days of the following month.

We can't do a check here. But do log in to your OCBC Internet Banking and send us a secured email to check

State the request & indicate your 360 account number. Once you've sent the email, reply here or leave us a PM with the email reference number

^Sh
Hello, my ref number is 2022072303834275, for your assistance pls, thanks!

P/S; ive nothing to do with the other post. I only asking about the double bonus interest pls 😬
 

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Hello, my ref number is 2022072303834275, for your assistance pls, thanks!

P/S; ive nothing to do with the other post. I only asking about the double bonus interest pls 😬
Hey thanks for this

Our team is looking into your email request. You can expect a reply tomorrow

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Hi, i hope i am not being rude but i am extremely disappointed with the reply.

The underlying question is: " Do you think there is a potential flaw in the current setup where a client needs to provide sensitive info to a random caller using a random number. And if exploited, is the downside disastrous"

I might be paranoid, but i think the answer is a definite "YES".

Your answer seems to suggest there is nothing more that can be done to improve and to even eliminate the flaw completely.

I have suggested an alternative handshaking protocol described in my earlier post (i.e. give the client a code and the client call to the official number), I acknowledge that this is problematic in its own way.

I can also think of an alternative i.e.
1. Before the call is made, an SMS be sent from OCBC official header to the client alerting me of a call from OCBC regarding some urgent matters. With the setup of Singapore SMS Sender ID Registry, I can be certain the SMS is genuine and not a spoof. The SMS should contain a unique code.
2. OCBC staff then calls me, and gives me the code FIRST. So the onus is on the OCBC staff to prove to me he is real, before even proceeding to ask me anything.
3. If u are able to do all that, there is a 2 stage authentication going on, and personally I will actually be very comfortable with giving the last 4 NRIC numbers. (Maybe other forummers have other opinions though)

I'm sure with the team of talents in OCBC, someone should be able to come up with a SOLUTION. If OCBC has no solution, but recognises there is a problem, then maybe u guys should call up the other banks and MAS and tell them there is a problem that needs to be solved but u guys cannot solve. Unless u think the current setup has NO PROBLEMS. or that the risks are perfectly acceptable.

Again I must emphasis that currently, the client receives a call from a random person using a random phone number and is supposed to give sensitive info. The fella can then use these info i.e. name, phone and last4 NRIC or other verification answers. Can u confirm that a combination of these info, even if leaked, will not compromise my banking security?

At this stage, my solution is to reject all calls from OCBC regarding any matters. I simply cannot accept such a unsafe handshaking protocol. (NB: Actually i will reject all calls from all banks that practice this way of calling me. Pls understand I am not being mean to OCBC only - just that u guys are the only ones with a HWZ account, thus kanna this question)

Hi RDInvestor

Please be assured you are not being rude in any way. In fact, we do thank you for your feedback, and we will take in your suggestions for review & consideration.

We are sorry though if our reply & resolution is not up to par.

Do allow us to explain that the Bank has a responsibility to ensure that our customer’s interest is protected. We request details during the call to ensure that we are speaking to the correct account holder.

We understand that some customers may not feel comfortable revealing their personal information. As such, you may wish to call us back at 1800 363 3333 instead. You can be assured that you will be speaking to an OCBC Bank representative.

You can also email us via OCBC internet banking. Thank you again for the feedback.

^Sh
 

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Hi everyone,

This is our final post on HWZ, we’ve had a good time with you all the way since 2014.

We will continue to provide support on our official social media channels on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Instagram, please feel free to reach out to us there. Thanks!

Cheers,

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Excuse me, hijack your question to OCBC. It happened to me once, OCBC detected a suspicious CC payment and called me. I had to give up my personal details before we could move on. The officer quickly blocked the fraudulent online payment and canceled my CC.

I guess the last 4digit of NRIC is the best compromise for call verification, in light of urgency.
In most other bank, all it takes is 3 suspected payment and the account is temporarily freeze till investigation is completed.
 

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No wonder this thread died :crazy:
Hi everyone,

This is our final post on HWZ, we’ve had a good time with you all the way since 2014.

We will continue to provide support on our official social media channels on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Instagram, please feel free to reach out to us there. Thanks!

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they broke the code three times with three cards, i had 3rd time fraudulent transaction of 50.30$ from google store singapore and they have no item with 30¢ ha ha time to say goodbye to this bank
 

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ya but imagine if it is bogus and the fella by now will know ur name, phone number and last4 digit NRIC

can OCBC confirm that a person with such info will 100% not be able to do something funny and gain access to ur account?

I think what is needed is a sure but 100% confirm plus chop safe way for people to handle such calls. Cos right now is abit no government right?
Why like just OCBC ?
Other banks not the same meh?
Well, there is such a thing as PIN number, and another thing called DFA, right?
 

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Hi MajinBuui,

If you are a non-Malaysian and wish to receive dividends in MYR from Malaysian stocks, you would need to complete both the "Auto Trust" and "Declaration Form for Non resident Status" forms.

Kindly PM us your email address so that we can email the forms to you. Upon completion, you may either bring the original forms to our OCBC Securities’ counter at 1st floor of OCBC Centre South or mail them to our office address for further processing. T

Our counters do not accept cash in MYR. To pay for trades settled in MYR, You would have to issue a MYR cheque drawn from a Malaysian bank (e.g. Maybank, OCBC Bank Malaysia etc).

For further enquiries, you may also call our customer service executives at 1800-338-8688 or if from overseas, at +65-6338-8688. We look forward to serving you again.

^WX

Hi OCBC,

Likewise, I bought some Indonesian stocks. When I received the dividend, it auto converted the dividends to Singapore Dollar into my OSPL Trust account.
Is there a way to ensure the dividend received stays in Rupiah and do not auto convert to SGD?

Thank you.

H
 

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Hi everyone,

This is our final post on HWZ, we’ve had a good time with you all the way since 2014.

We will continue to provide support on our official social media channels on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Instagram, please feel free to reach out to us there. Thanks!

Cheers,

The team from OCBC Bank
Hi OCBC,

Likewise, I bought some Indonesian stocks. When I received the dividend, it auto converted the dividends to Singapore Dollar into my OSPL Trust account.
Is there a way to ensure the dividend received stays in Rupiah and do not auto convert to SGD?

Thank you.

H
 

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OCBC service has deteriorated further after the new CEO took over. I see premier and premier private clients upset and complaining in premier centres. For those who don’t have a few hundred thousand with them one can just keep quiet and stop asking for waiver etc. if they dare to tickle the balls of those earning $200k above with few hundred k to million parked in the bank, they must be a powerful bank
 
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