High cholesterol

[rogze79]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4921549/

This is a pretty interesting one subject intervention study.

It's pretty much an observation. Not under control not clinical supervision. Following a sick elderly woman for 6 months est. and observe the effects of the change in diet on her health.
We do not know her definition of healthy American diet. Just like some saying our hawker food is healthy, it does raises some questions too.

It's definitely a great improvement moving from the standard American diet or our hawker type food to a whole food plant based food.

However, it will come to a point when deficiencies manifest. Takes many years. That's how resilient our bodies are. Probably That's why many vegans and vegetarians gave up..

 

[Evcats]

It's disheartening to hear your doctor say things without proving it. Did you undergo genes sequencing? Just anyhow blame it on genes without knowing the actual cause. So convenient.

And to really blame our body for being stupid enough to produce things to harm itself. Worse. We take drugs to block the production.

What a world we live in.

Not sure the exact reason but based on my heart attack is cause by total blockage of one of my heart artery < - the only reading that my blood test showed highly elevated is cholesterol (esp LDL) . And LDL did go down with medication -> should reduce risk of further blockage or at least slow them down.
guess like most treatment it seeks to reduce the most obvious risk rather than the real cause, and with lifelong medication.

 

[rogze79]

Not sure the exact reason but based on my heart attack is cause by total blockage of one of my heart artery < - the only reading that my blood test showed highly elevated is cholesterol (esp LDL) . And LDL did go down with medication -> should reduce risk of further blockage or at least slow them down.
guess like most treatment it seeks to reduce the most obvious risk rather than the real cause, and with lifelong medication.

Just because that particular line showed high readings, you are subjected to lifelong medications.

You have choices. Continue to listen to doctors. Or really deep dive into food. Food is medicine.

Fyi. My total cholesterol is 360. Idl 260.

 

[Mecisteus]

Just because that particular line showed high readings, you are subjected to lifelong medications.

You have choices. Continue to listen to doctors. Or really deep dive into food. Food is medicine.

Fyi. My total cholesterol is 360. Idl 260.

Ignorant is bliss.

Hope to hear an update in 10-20 years time.

 

[rarenick]

Ya diet is the tough part. Exercise I think I’m doing ok with at least 50mins threadmill 5 days a week plus 30mins of weights.

Seems too much cardio exercises to me. I will restrict myself to 45mins per session so as not to produce too much stress cortisol which may increase LDL. Exercise alot alot and feeling fit should not be the sole consideration for good health and blood cholesterol. Sleep is also very important, which many people ignore.

 

[rogze79]

Ignorant is bliss.

Hope to hear an update in 10-20 years time.

Yah. It is difficult to talk to an ignoramus like you.

Put on some muscles and strength then we talk.

 

[rarenick]

We all can agree to disagree and take one another's views as learning points. Let's not use shaming or names calling, but to just cool off and let it rest.

 

[rogze79]

We all can agree to disagree and take one another's views as learning points. Let's not use shaming or names calling, but to just cool off and let it rest.

You are right. We should be civil. But not to idiot.

When one cannot defend his viewpoints and starts ad hominem remarks, one cannot be expected to be uncorrected.

 

[eternalxiii]

Risk is higher with high LDL. Doesn’t matter if you “feel fit” or exercise or even healthy weight for some it may be genetics.
I had high LDL for years but was exercising, relatively fit for my age but probably diet was not so healthy (ie normal food Singaporean will eat daily). Refused to take medication few times thought I can improve my lifestyle/diet to overcome. had a heart attack 2 years ago as my artery was blocked
I don’t feel anyway unhealthy before the event.

Did u also have high triglycerides and low hdl?

For me, normal ldl 100. Did 1 year of low carb. Went for health checkup, my ldl shot up to 200. I stopped low carb, next year checkup ldl went back to 100. No other major change in diet and exercise. Hdl remained stable at 80 and trig at 40. For kicks I also did apob blood test once. Normal.

Based on my research and personal experience, I feel like the cholesterol paradigm is outdated. I think my ldl simply went up because I ate more fats and protein to replace carbs. Ldl is needed to move fats in the bloodstream. But of course, not all fats are equal. I ate a lot healthy fats like plain nuts. Also didn't avoid chicken skin or roasted pork.

There was this ongoing study called lean mass hyper-responders on this topic, I will have to check it for updates.

 

[rogze79]

Seems too much cardio exercises to me. I will restrict myself to 45mins per session so as not to produce too much stress cortisol which may increase LDL. Exercise alot alot and feeling fit should not be the sole consideration for good health and blood cholesterol. Sleep is also very important, which many people ignore.

Actually I see his treadmill seasons as walking. I hope I'm guessing it right.

When one eats well, one sleeps well.

 

[ricohflex]

No need go JB.
Get medication from your heartland clinic.
Fish oil - got article says it is useless to prevent high cholesterol.

 

[Evcats]

Did u also have high triglycerides and low hdl?

For me, normal ldl 100. Did 1 year of low carb. Went for health checkup, my ldl shot up to 200. I stopped low carb, next year checkup ldl went back to 100. No other major change in diet and exercise. Hdl remained stable at 80 and trig at 40. For kicks I also did apob blood test once. Normal.

Based on my research and personal experience, I feel like the cholesterol paradigm is outdated. I think my ldl simply went up because I ate more fats and protein to replace carbs. Ldl is needed to move fats in the bloodstream. But of course, not all fats are equal. I ate a lot healthy fats like plain nuts. Also didn't avoid chicken skin or roasted pork.

There was this ongoing study called lean mass hyper-responders on this topic, I will have to check it for updates.

My Triglycerides were 1.74 mmol HDL 1.42 LDL 4.33 when I had heart attack. I managed to drop my levels to healthy earlier when I go on very strict diet (lean meat, no snacks, less sugar). That goes up very high once I relax my diet. HDL does not change much no matter how much exercise I do.
I think it’s very important to know our arterial health/blockage condition but no sure if there’s any non invasive scan. If I knew my artery was almost blocked I will probably take medication earlier rather than hoping a healthy lifestyle and diet will reverse the condition.

 

[Evcats]

Actually I see his treadmill seasons as walking. I hope I'm guessing it right.

When one eats well, one sleeps well.

Relax walk 5km in an hour I had always been eating (too) well and sleeping well. Like I mentioned I feel healthy all the while with my daily gym and physical activities.

actually I’m back to the same state (as far as I can feel) and medication does not give me any side effects for the past 2 years.

Priorities change after such a health incident

 

[Evcats]

No need go JB.
Get medication from your heartland clinic.
Fish oil - got article says it is useless to prevent high cholesterol.

Fish oil helps to increase your good cholesterol HDL does not help to reduce LDL. Personally I find nothing helps on my HDL be it exercise or eating good cholesterol food.
The only things work for me is to really control my diet (reducing bad cholesterol food）sugar and all those typically HPB / doctor advice - but that is really not easy
otherwise it’s medication - the “easier” option

 

[rogze79]

Relax walk 5km in an hour I had always been eating (too) well and sleeping well. Like I mentioned I feel healthy all the while with my daily gym and physical activities.

actually I’m back to the same state (as far as I can feel) and medication does not give me any side effects for the past 2 years.

Priorities change after such a health incident

Just to share my experience yesterday. Ate 1 ice cream from mixue after meal. Couple of hours later, I felt so bad that I have to skip my planned exercise for the day.

I read about how ppl are reactive to certain food and how they feel. I do not believe it until I experienced it.

Anyway, take your time to understand what this prof is talking about.

 

[Mecisteus]

There was this ongoing study called lean mass hyper-responders on this topic, I will have to check it for updates.

I think game over on their research.

Just watch the latest video by Dr Gil Carvalho.

 

[eternalxiii]

My Triglycerides were 1.74 mmol HDL 1.42 LDL 4.33 when I had heart attack. I managed to drop my levels to healthy earlier when I go on very strict diet (lean meat, no snacks, less sugar). That goes up very high once I relax my diet. HDL does not change much no matter how much exercise I do.
I think it’s very important to know our arterial health/blockage condition but no sure if there’s any non invasive scan. If I knew my artery was almost blocked I will probably take medication earlier rather than hoping a healthy lifestyle and diet will reverse the condition.

Actually, your LDL wasnt even that high when you had heart attack. There is a thing called calcium scan but it is not part of standard health screening package, and it is also not foolproof. I guess it also depends when you started health screening. Apparently it is supposed to take decades for plaque to build up. There are also some .... complications related to the pokey pokey, if u know what I'm getting at.

 

[rarenick]

No need go JB.
Get medication from your heartland clinic.
Fish oil - got article says it is useless to prevent high cholesterol.

I reduced fish oil consumption because of vit B6. Now taking evoo instead.

 

[thekh21]

My dad had border cholesterol ,n the g poly doc nonchalent first thing retort:"Now u still no need take medicine " without explaining how or what to control ect.Too much edu to their Brains huh

 

[Evcats]

Actually, your LDL wasnt even that high when you had heart attack. There is a thing called calcium scan but it is not part of standard health screening package, and it is also not foolproof. I guess it also depends when you started health screening. Apparently it is supposed to take decades for plaque to build up. There are also some .... complications related to the pokey pokey, if u know what I'm getting at.

Edwin Tong’s doctor detected his and had him put on a stent wonder how detect it…
yup it take years but without symptoms nobody usually suspect anything. I see many patients being brought into the same ward after heart attacks.
one elderly refused to have an angiogram done and insist to take medicine and be discharged..
for anyone encountering it first time it’s a scary procedure