Huawei Mate 20

[chiaRH]

I think this is where they sharpened their knives:

128GB nano memory card: S$108

is this nano sd card available outside or proprietary to huawei?

its proprietary sadly, and not a SD card.

A 'true' SD card follows the SD Association standards. This thing is not a new format introduced by the association.

think of Oppo and VOOC. Just like how nano memory uses a existing 'shape' (nanosim), VOOC uses a existing shape (USB). But VOOC's USB has 2 extra pins on their USB connector, these extra pins are not a official USB standard and are not adopted by anyone besides Oppo.

I seriously doubt Huawei will ever succeed in making nano memory mainstream. The SD format is just too deeply entrenched not just in smartphones but in PCs and digital cameras.

Even if somehow nano memory has superior performance, it still cant beat the fact that an existing standard is already a majority. This exact reason is why thunderbolt 2 failed and USB 3.0 (a connection with slower speed) succeeded.

SD card is about having 2 advantages:
- expandable storage
- transferable storage

if you use nano memory you only gain the advantage of expandable, but not transferable. this is because there's so many devices out there that cannot accept nano memory, that you're hard-locked into the huawei ecosystem and if you ever change phone brand you're in for a data transfer chore.

You can’t compare Apple with this.
Apple price about 2k is cause of its storage.
512 GB.

I dont think you can compare base purely on storage alone. A phone is qualitatively more that just how much GB is inside.

If we narrow our mindset to only look on storage then apple is actually more value for money

XS Max 512 GB
$2349 --> 2349/512 = $4.59 per gigabyte

Mate 20 Pro 128GB
$1348 --> 1348/128 = $10.53 per gigabyte

I think as a shopper one should focus on their personal budget and not be like 'is it worth the price or not' cos subjectively everyone has their own threshold on affordability, they will just buy the 'best' phone that is within their budget.

 

[MichaelTan]

The NanoFlash card might be following the trajectory of the TransFlash card pioneered by Motorola and SanDisk in the past. After a short while the SDA approved the standard and adopted it as MicroSD. This NanoFlash will probably be named NanoSD.

It's not a small deal. It is necessary because the MicroSD slot is disruptive and takes about 3-5mm of precious internal space, has become untenable for design.

 

[meekiatah]

Pen holder is easy to resolve la. Just wondered why they don't do the same like Note series...at least more convenient

Not everyone wants to use a pen. And, perhaps phone is targeted at entertainment crowd.

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[Apparatus]

Re

Amidst all the PROS I don't like

1) No 5G
2) Proprietary Nano card means no external card reader device can read it
3) The ring surrounding the cameras from the back is protruding out. Flush with the back casing would be better
4) Not sure of the sensitivity of the in-screen fingerprint reader when a TG screen protector is applied

 

[s-ghost]

Sent from Samsung SM-N960F using GAGT

Huawei got official lazada store?

 

[mun]

Amidst all the PROS I don't like

1) No 5G
2) Proprietary Nano card means no external card reader device can read it
3) The ring surrounding the cameras from the back is protruding out. Flush with the back casing would be better
4) Not sure of the sensitivity of the in-screen fingerprint reader when a TG screen protector is applied

Agreed with your last point. Let's wait and see how it turns out

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[Eidekos]

Good Job Huawei. M20 Pro tops all flagship android out there and less expensive as well.

 

[nachocheese]

Huawei got official lazada store?

Shld be managed by convergent disti

 

[chiaRH]

4) Not sure of the sensitivity of the in-screen fingerprint reader when a TG screen protector is applied

that will depend is the reader using capacitive or optical principle I think

I think if it is capacitive then its more likely that having a layer (even a thin one) might worsen the performance of the reader, cos capacitive principle relies a lot on physical contact

i believe when vivo did it, they were using a synaptics reader which was based on optical tech, dunno what is huawei using

 

[maumu]

I dont think you can compare base purely on storage alone. A phone is qualitatively more that just how much GB is inside.

If we narrow our mindset to only look on storage then apple is actually more value for money

XS Max 512 GB
$2349 --> 2349/512 = $4.59 per gigabyte

Mate 20 Pro 128GB
$1348 --> 1348/128 = $10.53 per gigabyte

actually if you just treat the nanosd (128gb) as part of the phone (with the extra cost of $108), that would be ($1348+$108)/(128gb+128gb) = $5.69 per GB.

it's still higher than Xs Max but... you get all the other special features as well (in-screen fingerprint, triple camera, face unlock, etc.).

 

[Eidekos]

In screen touchID and more camera I think cost more than storage.

Apple is selling the OS.
Android everybody have with customisation .
iOS only Apple have.

Apple attitude is” get it from me with my price or stfu”

yeah fruit bloody expensive, but dunno why i still buy haha Imagine 1 256 gold xs max can buy 2 mate 20? haha

but this m20 pro design, spec and price is really good value for android esp compare to sammy bloat n9 or fugly p3XL.

would consider this if price drops 1Q next year.

 

[maumu]

that will depend is the reader using capacitive or optical principle I think

I think if it is capacitive then its more likely that having a layer (even a thin one) might worsen the performance of the reader, cos capacitive principle relies a lot on physical contact

i believe when vivo did it, they were using a synaptics reader which was based on optical tech, dunno what is huawei using

i'm very curious about this as well. it claims to be using "dynamic pressure sensing" technology, but no further elaboration to that. youtube first reviews shows that the time to unlock seems to vary - around 1 sec?

but I suspect that once the face unlock (which claims to be much faster at 0.5sec?) becomes more frequently used, the fingerprint sensor might become redundant.

 

[mafia86]

 

[chiaRH]

i'm very curious about this as well. it claims to be using "dynamic pressure sensing" technology, but no further elaboration to that. youtube first reviews shows that the time to unlock seems to vary - around 1 sec?

but I suspect that once the face unlock (which claims to be much faster at 0.5sec?) becomes more frequently used, the fingerprint sensor might become redundant.

fingerprint reader might still need to stick around a bit longer for e-payment security since the general consensus seems to be that using face is less secure than using fingerprint. Apple in 2018 with the extinction of touch ID is now in the hot seat to prove that their 2018 iphones relying purely on face ID for Apple Pay, can demonstrate that face is a viable replacement for fingerprint when it comes to security.

 

[chenaz]

Same

 

[MichaelTan]

that will depend is the reader using capacitive or optical principle I think

I think if it is capacitive then its more likely that having a layer (even a thin one) might worsen the performance of the reader, cos capacitive principle relies a lot on physical contact

i believe when vivo did it, they were using a synaptics reader which was based on optical tech, dunno what is huawei using

leaks say ultrasonic Qualcomm scanner: https://www.bgr.in/news/huawei-mate...-in-display-fingerprint-sensor-from-qualcomm/

 

[athenodorus]

Same

Hmm what kind of wireless charger? If it's the rumoured 20w wireless charger den the freebies really v attractive.

 

[mafia86]

Damn, I doubt I will really use the Face ID, reverse wireless charging and I hate the curve screen.
But I wanted the better camera, in screen fingerprint and wireless charging...
In dilemma ~~~

 

[mafia86]

Hmm what kind of wireless charger? If it's the rumoured 20w wireless charger den the freebies really v attractive.

Must be their own wireless charger since that is one of the selling point

 

[Outramkia]

its proprietary sadly, and not a SD card.

A 'true' SD card follows the SD Association standards. This thing is not a new format introduced by the association.

think of Oppo and VOOC. Just like how nano memory uses a existing 'shape' (nanosim), VOOC uses a existing shape (USB). But VOOC's USB has 2 extra pins on their USB connector, these extra pins are not a official USB standard and are not adopted by anyone besides Oppo.

I seriously doubt Huawei will ever succeed in making nano memory mainstream. The SD format is just too deeply entrenched not just in smartphones but in PCs and digital cameras.

Even if somehow nano memory has superior performance, it still cant beat the fact that an existing standard is already a majority. This exact reason is why thunderbolt 2 failed and USB 3.0 (a connection with slower speed) succeeded.

SD card is about having 2 advantages:
- expandable storage
- transferable storage

if you use nano memory you only gain the advantage of expandable, but not transferable. this is because there's so many devices out there that cannot accept nano memory, that you're hard-locked into the huawei ecosystem and if you ever change phone brand you're in for a data transfer chore.




I dont think you can compare base purely on storage alone. A phone is qualitatively more that just how much GB is inside.

If we narrow our mindset to only look on storage then apple is actually more value for money

XS Max 512 GB
$2349 --> 2349/512 = $4.59 per gigabyte

Mate 20 Pro 128GB
$1348 --> 1348/128 = $10.53 per gigabyte

I think as a shopper one should focus on their personal budget and not be like 'is it worth the price or not' cos subjectively everyone has their own threshold on affordability, they will just buy the 'best' phone that is within their budget.

Nano card compatibility can be improved if nano to micro adapter card is available. Those devices using micro sd can easily use a nano and micro adapter.