'I felt I was blamed': How applying for maternity leave can be stressful

[limpe84]

Frankly, I am not sure what they are expecting.

As a friend, I am genuinely happy to see a colleague get pregnant.

As a colleague, I also cannot deny that that there will be an impact in the workplace. Only thing is whether it ends up affecting me or not. Like you get your colleague to cover your duties in your absence, but they are not paid extra.

As for promotion, the pregnant lady was not around for half a year, so she naturally has fewer accomplishments on her work review compared to her peers. Also, the point of taking on a higher position is that you are presumably capable of carrying out those extra duties, which you likely can’t if you aren’t around for roughly half a year. From an operations perspective, why shouldn’t that role go to someone else who will be around the entire year and therefore able to contribute to the company in a more meaningful manner?

Why do they expect to have their cake and eat it too?

 

[Philipkee]

It's low tfr because of this kind of culture. Fcking corporate boss

Depends

Imagine if you need a headcount. HR sends you a heavily pregnant new employee. Now you have your headcount and cannot ask for more (if you refuse, you are discriminatory and toxic). She goes on maternity leave. After she returns, she resigns. You still need a headcount. You request for one. Another heavily pregnant one comes over (you refuse, you are discriminatory and toxic).

You make a deal with HR. Give one contract worker to cover the maternity leave. HR does so. Contract worker does a good job. Worker returns. Choose. Let the contract worker go (contract ends) or fire the one returning from ML.

You fire the one on ML and extend contract for the contract worker. You are now condemned as toxic and discriminatory

You let the contract worker go and keep the one returning from ML. One month later the worker resigns. You need headcount. HR sends you another heavily pregnant new employee with the warning that during her maternity leave, no more contract worker will be coming to cover cos apparently word has spread they won’t get a full time placement no matter how hard they work anyway.

 

[AuraKUPO]

No problem if don't make baby.

 

[dambio]

I have see alot corlick
take 4 months + 1 months no pay
orpit give cod very kind and understanding need time rest ma
than come back within afew months go on 4 to 7 months off again
continue for a few years than quit

Smart hor. Like getting paid for doing nothing. Then change company n rinse n repeat till retirement?

 

[TheApathetic]

Then do all of us a favour.

Don't apply. Either you quit and go ahead to birth your baby all you want at home, or stop making babies and help us with our workload.

3 weeks of in camp ict is already hard enough to cover.

ICT is different. Ict is government pay your salary

 

[dambio]

Frankly, I am not sure what they are expecting.

As a friend, I am genuinely happy to see a colleague get pregnant.

As a colleague, I also cannot deny that that there will be an impact in the workplace. Only thing is whether it ends up affecting me or not. Like you get your colleague to cover your duties in your absence, but they are not paid extra.

As for promotion, the pregnant lady was not around for half a year, so she naturally has fewer accomplishments on her work review compared to her peers. Also, the point of taking on a higher position is that you are presumably capable of carrying out those extra duties, which you likely can’t if you aren’t around for roughly half a year. From an operations perspective, why shouldn’t that role go to someone else who will be around the entire year and therefore able to contribute to the company in a more meaningful manner?

Why do they expect to have their cake and eat it too?

Feminist n woke?

 

[KYZT2021]

Dragon year gao gao

 

[shodan99]

Every year maternity leave. My company employ u pay u to have children? Just quit and live on ur own financial support. No help revenue generation, only know how to collect celeri. And after come back to work resign immediately.

Ther must be a bond signed when woman want to take maternity leave. U want to take 6 months off to give birth, sign 1 year bond to the company with, during the bonded year must achieve at least satisfactory performance evaluation or grade C.

Did you know that maternity leave is paid by the gov? not paid by company hor. So there is no loss hor. You can hire contract during that period. dont blame mothers if company stingy and dont hire replacments.

 

[Lance321]

It's the people that abuse it that spoiled it for everyone. The ones that take maternity leave all the time and then come back, take no-paid leave, go on mc, etc...Maternity leave has been fair to the ladies, and family planning is a personal choice that is to be respected. It's the abusers that spoiled it for everyone and then cry victim when confronted. These people's patterns are not hard to spot, and companies should take a stricter action.

 

[Philipkee]

Did you know that maternity leave is paid by the gov? not paid by company hor. So there is no loss hor. You can hire contract during that period. dont blame mothers if company stingy and dont hire replacments.

You can hire contract workers. Then when the woman returns, you let the contract worker go. This leaves a very bad impression on the contract worker who might be working hard hoping to get contract extended cos need to feed family

Solve one problem, create another

 

[Gondon72]

I have see alot corlick
take 4 months + 1 months no pay
orpit give cod very kind and understanding need time rest ma
than come back within afew months go on 4 to 7 months off again
continue for a few years than quit

My side i seen one within 7 yrs went 4 times. Jin cha 厉害。

 

[limpe84]

Did you know that maternity leave is paid by the gov? not paid by company hor. So there is no loss hor. You can hire contract during that period. dont blame mothers if company stingy and dont hire replacments.

Not all of it, it seems.

https://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave/maternity-leave/eligibility-and-entitlement

For your first two children, your employer has to pay the first two months of your salary out of pocket. And in the case of high-earning employees, it doesn’t cover beyond the first $10k.

Not to mention that there will still be some disruption to the company’s daily operations to some extent, when you are replacing a person who has presumably being working there for some time (and knows the place inside out) with a newbie who needs time to figure out what is going on.

 

[buttbERry]

best is dont think too much

 

[Philipkee]

Not all of it, it seems.

https://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave/maternity-leave/eligibility-and-entitlement

For your first two children, your employer has to pay the first two months of your salary out of pocket. And in the case of high-earning employees, it doesn’t cover beyond the first $10k.

Not to mention that there will still be some disruption to the company’s daily operations to some extent, when you are replacing a person who has presumably being working there for some time (and knows the place inside out) with a newbie who needs time to figure out what is going on.

I think for many people, there is actually no issue if the woman on returning is grateful for people for covering her like maybe buying some chocolates or something

It’s when they come and cry and say why not promoted why appraisal not high and scream discrimination that makes things ugly

 

[limpe84]

I think for many people, there is actually no issue if the woman on returning is grateful for people for covering her like maybe buying some chocolates or something

It’s when they come and cry and say why not promoted why appraisal not high and scream discrimination that makes things ugly

To me, it's really a NIMBY (not in my back yard) kind of situation.

Take the case of foreign workers for example. We can all agree that accommodation needs to be built to house them, yet nobody wants the dorms to be situated in their estate for fear of lowering property prices or potentially higher crime rates. We all want the benefit of cheap labour (so long as they don't end up competing with us or depressing our wages in the workplace) yet at the same time don't want to deal with the externalities that come with it.

It's the same thing here. From a macro perspective, we need children to replace our population, yet very few companies want to deal with managing pregnant mothers if they could get away with it. Given a choice, who would want to take on the added hassle of hiring and training extra staff to cover their duties, managing the handing / taking over, not to mention the pregnant lady may have to take additional MC during this time (especially if it's her first pregnancy), and upon return, there's still things like childcare leave, or negotiating for more flexible working hours.

Vs having a more stable pool of employees who can come in to work on time, and you know they will stay around for the near foreseeable future? At the end of the day, a boss pays money for hire a worker to solve problems for him, not to create additional problems that he needs to resolve.

And frankly, you see it also when Singaporean men complain about being "marked" when they go for 2 weeks reservist compared to their FT colleagues who don't have any such obligations.

I don't need chocolates or thank you, but I do think that the root of the issue is how everyone frames this as an entitlement for women, but the problem is that the people feeling unhappy over this are the not the same people who implemented the concept of maternity leave in the first place. Bosses will follow because they have no choice (it's the law), I am largely indifferent to it because I am not in a position where I have to manage the ramifications, but frankly speaking, I think if we really want to go there, we all have our own "horror stories" of how expecting mothers have managed to take advantage of the system, like getting hired when they are 3-4 months away from delivery, then going on maternity, only to quit after reaping all the benefits.

I have no answer either. I can only deal with it by not having to deal with it.

 

[Zorroh]

This is your government mandated rights!
Please PWN your employer gao gao!

if need to please report to MOM!

give them die!!

Can company declare bankruptcy?

 

[dgeralds]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/tod...rnity-leave-conversations-hard-bosses-4786136

Tot sg low tfr? How come still will hv tis issue?

Take our annual leave also got so my problems...some companies are real shiat...especially SMCs...

 

[dambio]

Take our annual leave also got so my problems...some companies are real shiat...especially SMCs...

Need to compete with jhks going back hometown. Or they alr pre book for big festivities is d worst.

 

[wulu1_69]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/tod...rnity-leave-conversations-hard-bosses-4786136

Tot sg low tfr? How come still will hv tis issue?

It doesn't help with pro employer govt policies yo

 

[Roadster01]

Wondering if any company has capability to build in spare manpower to cover such situation of long maternity/paternity leave? Many, if not most, company work on extra-lean workforce.

pity the colleagues who need take on additional roles to cover them, like the article’s nurse twice in a year!

wondering also what’s in between the minister’s ears that implemented the long leave entitlement.