INTEL CPUs *OC Benchmark & Discussion*

[ragnarok95]

wtf, that's good.

13th gen supported by Z690?

Supported. Update your Z690 bios.

 

[SEvsNK]

 

[AlwaysLurking]

MSI Pro Z690-A + 12600k or MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK + 12700F is a better build?.

 

[Phen8210]

Now there is no excuse for 12th gen users not to have one of these

 

[poooooo]

MSI Pro Z690-A + 12600k or MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK + 12700F is a better build?.

Purely for gaming no noticeable difference, pick the cheaper option. If your usage include content creation, 3D modelling, render or edit videos get 12700f.

Want to just plug and play pick 12700f, want to tinkle and oc pick 12600k.

 

[Gymrat76]

Just watched the videos, never knew this issue existed on 12gen. I think I'll not do anything though, learned my lesson - if it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

[Phen8210]

Just watched the videos, never knew this issue existed on 12gen. I think I'll not do anything though, learned my lesson - if it ain't broke, don't fix it

don't worry, won't break so easily

 

[Gymrat76]

don't worry, won't break so easily

lol.. I mean I don't have an issue with my rig and I don't o/c. So no point doing this for me

 

[Kairos]

Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

Source: techpowerup.com

 

[Phen8210]

lol.. I mean I don't have an issue with my rig and I don't o/c. So no point doing this for me

True. In the future, you can consider if you want temps improvements.

I helped out a colleague some time back, and tbh relatively straightforward.

Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

Source: techpowerup.com

10% for min fps. That's good for high refresh rate gamers.

 

[watzup_ken]

350W with unlocked 13900K?

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-...er-setting-up-to-67-faster-amd-ryzen-9-5950x/

 

[watzup_ken]

Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

Source: techpowerup.com

As far as I recall, games utilizes only the P-Cores. So I believe most of these improvements are attributed to the clockspeed and the cache increase. While the minimal FPS improvement is great, but I think it will come at the expense of higher power consumption.

 

[elmariachi]

As far as I recall, games utilizes only the P-Cores. So I believe most of these improvements are attributed to the clockspeed and the cache increase. While the minimal FPS improvement is great, but I think it will come at the expense of higher power consumption.

Nope new games do use e-cores quite extensively also. I have very consistent usage across all my cores (P+E) for games like Vanguard and Hitman 3. Yes, older games do not tend to use e-cores which I have tried as well.

 

[watzup_ken]

Nope new games do use e-cores quite extensively also. I have very consistent usage across all my cores (P+E) for games like Vanguard and Hitman 3. Yes, older games do not tend to use e-cores which I have tried as well.

But this makes little sense to me. On one hand, we have seen that games don't benefit much beyond 8 cores. So how would utilizing the E-cores at the same time help? Since they have Skylake like performance, its more likely it will drag down the performance isn't it?

 

[elmariachi]

But this makes little sense to me. On one hand, we have seen that games don't benefit much beyond 8 cores. So how would utilizing the E-cores at the same time help? Since they have Skylake like performance, its more likely it will drag down the performance isn't it?

While I have tested both configs with E-cores on and off, I could not tell much difference with everything else remaining constant. What I am saying is that if games can use E-cores, it would. Whether it provides a noticeable uplift really depends on the games engine, etc. I just leave mine on because the games I play tend to utilise both my P-cores and E-cores very consistently. With E-cores off, my CPU usage is definitely higher compared to E-cores on with the games I play.

 

[watzup_ken]

While I have tested both configs with E-cores on and off, I could not tell much difference with everything else remaining constant. What I am saying is that if games can use E-cores, it would. Whether it provides a noticeable uplift really depends on the games engine, etc. I just leave mine on because the games I play tend to utilise both my P-cores and E-cores very consistently. With E-cores off, my CPU usage is definitely higher compared to E-cores on with the games I play.

That is expected when the E-Cores are disabled because there are a lot of background activities running which the E-cores might be tasked to run. So when you disable the E-cores, then all these extra work in the backend will need to be managed by the P-cores, while still processing the games. But I am still not convinced that by spamming more E-cores, they will be used or even make any meaningful contribution in games. For applications that love threads and CPU, this is certainly a great upgrade no doubt.

Anyway, I am no expert in this sort of stuff. So I may be wrong. What I said is basically what I understood/ misunderstood so far.

 

[elmariachi]

That is expected when the E-Cores are disabled because there are a lot of background activities running which the E-cores might be tasked to run. So when you disable the E-cores, then all these extra work in the backend will need to be managed by the P-cores, while still processing the games. But I am still not convinced that by spamming more E-cores, they will be used or even make any meaningful contribution in games. For applications that love threads and CPU, this is certainly a great upgrade no doubt.

I do not have any background activity running on my system when I game. E-cores were still used extensively in terms of usage. Spamming E-cores may be more meaningful only if developers actually make better use of it as right now even with it on, I do not find much difference that is noticeable. Sure it uses the E-cores but perhaps not noticeable in terms of performance. Maybe newer games could see changes done. 13th Gen with increased cache and more E-cores could be a good thing but I think the gain boost for that is mainly the cache more than the additional 8 E-cores.

 

[watzup_ken]

I do not have any background activity running on my system when I game. E-cores were still used extensively in terms of usage. Spamming E-cores may be more meaningful only if developers actually make better use of it as right now even with it on, I do not find much difference that is noticeable. Sure it uses the E-cores but perhaps not noticeable in terms of performance. Maybe newer games could see changes done. 13th Gen with increased cache and more E-cores could be a good thing but I think the gain boost for that is mainly the cache more than the additional 8 E-cores.

Agree that the cache and likely because of the increase in clockspeed across all the cores that will benefit games more.
Anyway, when I said background activities, I mean those Windows activities/ tasks. Those I believe can easily be handled by the E-cores. Which is why at idle, the P-cores are generally inactive, i.e. very low utilization. I thought this is how the E-cores are meant to work.

 

[elmariachi]

Agree that the cache and likely because of the increase in clockspeed across all the cores that will benefit games more.
Anyway, when I said background activities, I mean those Windows activities/ tasks. Those I believe can easily be handled by the E-cores. Which is why at idle, the P-cores are generally inactive, i.e. very low utilization. I thought this is how the E-cores are meant to work.

I am running a debloated Windows 11 with almost nothing running in the background for activities/tasks.
I believe E-cores are more like running something in the background like streaming or doing some other work that takes up CPU. Those tasks you mentioned would not really affect anything P-cores or E-cores or collectively both.

 

[Phen8210]

E-cores are not made to be fast. They are made efficient and provide additional CPU headroom, which is why the overall CPU usage decreases.

In other words, E-cores probably won't matter for gaming unless the processor is capped on CPU resources reaching 100% usage. In such a scenario, it can prevent the CPU from bottlenecking. Gamers that are already on 12th processors with 8 plus p-cores have more than enough headroom for what they do and are unlikely to be in such a scenario.

These e-cores will benefit if the application and OS have specific instructions to utilize them optimally. Low-end chips with fewer P cores and less CPU headroom are more likely to benefit from optimization.