INTEL CPUs *OC Benchmark & Discussion*

[KleoZy]

Actually, I heard users have a better experience with Adobe applications when the e-cores are disabled, apart from rendering times, of course. Recently someone here said the same thing.

Yes it does perform better, you are correct, I feel E cores are just assist cores and supposingly to assist to lower the wattage when load. But then the significant is not that great either. for me I just whack off to disable E cores, set the PL1 PL2 to lower down the temp without performance suffer and to set Vcore (only good with ASRock board), which I have experience.

If given a choice, I will still go with AMD AM5 platform, better in power efficiency at load.

 

[12122012]

Actually, I heard users have a better experience with Adobe applications when the e-cores are disabled, apart from rendering times, of course. Recently someone here said the same thing.

PCWorld said it too.

 

[matique]

don't disable the ecores, if you are on w11 they are important in managing background tasks well. For adobe suite, it will always use single pcore as it always has, and won't really rely on the ecores at all.

The thing you would want to disable is HT. Also i never got the whole deal with efficiency etc. You won't really notice an extra 50-100w of cpu use in your power bill.

 

[NightRaven49]

Also i never got the whole deal with efficiency etc. You won't really notice an extra 50-100w of cpu use in your power bill.

in sg yes, but in europe where the power bill is more expensive it will add up very quickly. cooling also becomes an issue as cpu cooling solutions tend to be smaller than gpu solutions, at least for air cooling.

 

[Eruditeswine]

in sg yes, but in europe where the power bill is more expensive it will add up very quickly. cooling also becomes an issue as cpu cooling solutions tend to be smaller than gpu solutions, at least for air cooling.

Well it's creeping up. This quarter it's S$0.31 or US$0.23 per kWh, that's likely top-30 in the World. In Asia we're second behind Japan for electricity price. (Do correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[KleoZy]

don't disable the ecores, if you are on w11 they are important in managing background tasks well. For adobe suite, it will always use single pcore as it always has, and won't really rely on the ecores at all.

The thing you would want to disable is HT. Also i never got the whole deal with efficiency etc. You won't really notice an extra 50-100w of cpu use in your power bill.

hmm. ok will try.. as I feel like the system working heavy..

 

[watzup_ken]

Yes it does perform better, you are correct, I feel E cores are just assist cores and supposingly to assist to lower the wattage when load. But then the significant is not that great either. for me I just whack off to disable E cores, set the PL1 PL2 to lower down the temp without performance suffer and to set Vcore (only good with ASRock board), which I have experience.

If given a choice, I will still go with AMD AM5 platform, better in power efficiency at load.

E-cores sounds like they are for efficiency, but as you can clearly tell, Intel likely wasn't thinking about "efficiency". Otherwise, why in the world will you need 16 E-cores? 16 is really to make up the lack of P-cores to compete in thread heavy workloads since a good physical core should still be better than a "virtual" one due to hyper threading.

I won't think it is necessary to disable all E-cores, but I don't recall if it is possible to disable some clusters of it. I see no value in anything more than 8 E-cores active in most cases, unless you have thread heavy workflows/ use cases.

 

[Phen8210]

E-cores for E-marketing

 

[matique]

I guess i9 series just for those that can cool it. I'm running DD, so yeah lots of thermal headroom. Oh look, is that a 14900k disguising as a 13900k not much point for me to upgrade.

 

[watzup_ken]

I guess i9 series just for those that can cool it. I'm running DD, so yeah lots of thermal headroom. Oh look, is that a 14900k disguising as a 13900k not much point for me to upgrade.

Intel's i9 is really for enthusiasts. They have created a product that is not possible to cool with conventional cooling solutions. On top of bespoke cooling solution requirements, you need high end motherboard and power supply to keep it stable.

 

[elmariachi]

Intel's i9 is really for enthusiasts. They have created a product that is not possible to cool with conventional cooling solutions. On top of bespoke cooling solution requirements, you need high end motherboard and power supply to keep it stable.

Not really. You can disable MCE and force it to run Intel PL1 limits at 253W which is fairly easy to cool with any competent AIO.

Secondly, you can always trim off voltages with most motherboards now that rather have overkill VRMs and power staging even for mid tier boards. Power supply a gold rated one would do fine.

If you're trying to mean out of the box ease and setup with respect to performance, then yes I would say AMD for sure but there isnt anything much to tweak for the AMD CPUs especially the X3D variants.

i9s can run even on a very good AIO with PL2 if you can trim the voltages properly. I've done it before and it sits between 86-93 degrees during hard loads on the CPU. In gaming, you won't even break 80 degrees if you have a casing with good airflow. Really depends if you're looking to tweak or you're just looking for plug and play. To me, Intel can do both but you definitely need to do some homework with respect to controlling temps and voltages.

 

[matique]

Intel's i9 is really for enthusiasts. They have created a product that is not possible to cool with conventional cooling solutions. On top of bespoke cooling solution requirements, you need high end motherboard and power supply to keep it stable.

imo during normal gaming load even a simple aio can cool it. it won't really go over 150w most of the time, and stay around 100-120w as long as the voltage isn't too crazy. And most chips have good enough headroom to undervolt.

 

[watzup_ken]

Not really. You can disable MCE and force it to run Intel PL1 limits at 253W which is fairly easy to cool with any competent AIO.

Secondly, you can always trim off voltages with most motherboards now that rather have overkill VRMs and power staging even for mid tier boards. Power supply a gold rated one would do fine.

If you're trying to mean out of the box ease and setup with respect to performance, then yes I would say AMD for sure but there isnt anything much to tweak for the AMD CPUs especially the X3D variants.

i9s can run even on a very good AIO with PL2 if you can trim the voltages properly. I've done it before and it sits between 86-93 degrees during hard loads on the CPU. In gaming, you won't even break 80 degrees if you have a casing with good airflow. Really depends if you're looking to tweak or you're just looking for plug and play. To me, Intel can do both but you definitely need to do some homework with respect to controlling temps and voltages.

What you described basically echoes what I mentioned. The i9 is for enthusiasts. You fan enforce a power limit, but then what is the point of getting an i9?

 

[Phen8210]

What you described basically echoes what I mentioned. The i9 is for enthusiasts. You fan enforce a power limit, but then what is the point of getting an i9?

For consumers and day-to-day usage, there's no point. It's completely impractical.

 

[elmariachi]

What you described basically echoes what I mentioned. The i9 is for enthusiasts. You fan enforce a power limit, but then what is the point of getting an i9?

And what's the problem with that? Even enforcing power limit at 253w on an i9 is still significantly speedy for most work loads. Like I said, if you have a competent cooler and know how to trim off the voltages for your silicon, they do not run hot at stock speed with an AIO. Of course, the AMDs are significantly less work but it's boring to the extent of what you can do with it. And its relatively basic on what you need to know to just keep the i9 working well adjusting LLC and voltages.

I would agree with you if you say people get an i9 and disable e-cores because then that defeats the purpose of an i9. But like I said, depends on your use case scenario. Gaming 7800X3D is still the best bang for buck. And you probably can still get away with a good air cooler while you can't on an i7/i9.

 

[Mach3.2]

And what's the problem with that?

I think you're missing his point.

Normal people buy computer don't even go in BIOS. If they build it themselves, at most go in enable XMP only. Worse still, some don't even know about XMP..

 

[elmariachi]

I think you're missing his point.

Normal people buy computer don't even go in BIOS. If they build it themselves, at most go in enable XMP only. Worse still, some don't even know about XMP..

Disabling the power limit does not make it any less of an i9. Its no less than enabling XMP that's what I'm saying. It's the same as most who run GPUs without maxing out the powerlimit. Technically, I do agree that with an Intel CPU, you need to have some basic knowledge of some settings to tweak for your silicon unlike AMD which is pretty much plug and play out of the box.

I do agree the Intel is more of an enthusiast product for those who wants to granularly tune their CPUs. But it defeats the purpose once you start disabling e-cores for example in which case you're better off buying something else for your use case.

 

[Phen8210]

I think you're missing his point.

Normal people buy computer don't even go in BIOS. If they build it themselves, at most go in enable XMP only. Worse still, some don't even know about XMP..

yeah like many reddidiots

 

[naked123]

yeah like many reddidiots

this is very common.....

but it's not very noticeable for intel systems.....

 

[ragnarok95]

What you described basically echoes what I mentioned. The i9 is for enthusiasts. You fan enforce a power limit, but then what is the point of getting an i9?

When you need a i9, you need a i9. When you dun need a i9, you will never understand why you need a i9.