Is it really over for Intel®?

[kimsix]

I think also intel abandoned z890, see Asus also last released bios was may25…amd loves to throw new agesa every month, some times twice a month

have to give Asus credit for paying shamino and gang to do extra work on their end clients diy product line too. Their gpu monitor and router got more care than other brands for recent years

 

[ragnarok95]

Z890 now support arrow-lake and arrow-lake refresh only. Nova lake cannot be use on Z890 also.

Z890 is dead. lol.

 

[Encrypted11]

Dan A4-SFX V4 update
Quad M.2 7.2L

Within the power level it scales, at 100W TDP where my AIO handles the Ultra 9 scores 21% better at R23 than Ryzen 9. Interpolate that to Ultra 7/ Ryzen 7. Cheap combo after Pre-Prime Day discounts.

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[Encrypted11]

wow, this is one fast cpu.
reviewers make it sound like this is unusable.

Running full BIOS defaults, this was a surprise on tiny 92mm Asetek 645LT AIO.

Burst, short duration power on RPL the rig was only able to take 150W of Package Power before hitting Tj Max.

On ARL with the thermal engineering on the die/IHS they did (off-die tile memory latency aside), I was able to run 207W to hit Tj max on the puny little AIO. Over a 33% raise in thermalTDP headroom. Non-memory bound stuff it is faster than last gen. Memory bound, will see how it does when JEDEC 5600 is moved to 8000+. Looks promising, but not perfect of course.

It's sad how reviewers these days have stooped to the level of sunday paper writers and it's impossible to find old AnandTech styled articles these days.

Early thoughts: DTS at low temp seems inaccurate like Skylake, as it gets close to T Junction it works as it should.

 

[Koenig168]

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It's sad how reviewers these days have stooped to the level of sunday paper writers and it's impossible to find old AnandTech styled articles these days.

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AnandTech is gone now. Used to be a regular there until Anand sold it.

 

[iceblendedchoc]

no worries, nvidia is up based on rumors that US government is taking a stake of intel.

 

[peterchan75]

Intel is selling cheap CPUs i.e. low profit margin. AMD is doing the reverse. The current CEO is doing all the cost cutting. Shareholders shouldn't be happy about government bailout. A bailout will either dilute or wipe out shareholder value.

 

[Koenig168]

no worries, nvidia is up based on rumors that US government is taking a stake of intel.

This is Trump we are talking about. Of course need to worry, he might decide to push for a TV host as CEO

 

[Koenig168]

tl;dr US Govt looking at a 10% stake in Intel. This would make the US Govt the largest shareholder.

 

[fkchon]

@Encrypted11

Thanks for that, how did you get the bios and do you have any notes on the changes?

 

[Encrypted11]

Intel Maintenance Release 3 (MR3)
uCode 118
GOP Update
ME Security Update

Unsure of what else was changed. I haven't been following ASRock Z890 (I'm on Z890I Edge), requested BIOSes for friends who are with ASRock.

Secret Sauce: Ask ASRock TSD politely in Chinese (Traditional), never Chinese (Simplified)
They have always been kind, even made me a custom BIOS (Of course ASRock signed) in Z390 era.

@Encrypted11

Thanks for that, how did you get the bios and do you have any notes on the changes?

 

[Encrypted11]

ASRock side it seems the modern ARL tile power management and core ratio designation system is broken.

Specific Per Core (Ratios), Selection and Legacy for Power Management side, it seems like all Selection PM options on chiplets are broken? Wildly unstable or unbootable.

My combo of settings does not permit me to boot manual fixed SA voltage overrides (auto is ok). Regardless, already figured how to use RPL level of Power Management and placing in copied memory settings (8400 lazy profile) from Veii for friend. Looks like it is even good for up to 85C on DIMM temps.

Now DVFS goes as low as x4 ratio on this platform than x8 for a long time.

 

[Encrypted11]

Overall ASRock BIOS seems like the in-house AMI Aptio V BIOS engineer is behind schedule.

The interface layout is just hiding/unhiding Aptio V parameters (no customization or renaming of Intel terminology), and they did not have the time to set the conditionals and just published their ROMs to the public. Just like Gigabyte BIOSes. But Gigabyte has been doing this for the last decade, while it seems ASRock started having this behavior likely ADL onwards.

(i.e. typing core ratio limits on X group of settings which takes precedence over Y group of settings), it will seem like there's 16 boxes, or possibly 24 boxes to fill for just 8 P-Cores, but filling group X, it doesn't autofill group Y, group Z based on how it takes priority.

Users that haven't had experience tweaking AMI Aptio V Intel BIOSes will have a really difficult learning curve ahead with the modern power management (DLVR and tiles) especially on ASRock and Gigabyte.

On MSI, it will autohide and autofill (not exposed to the user) the If(s) and nested conditions. So the very complex menus are a lot more simplified.

Renaming of Intel parameters are done to the right level on MSI, renamed just enough to make it more understandable to a human being. However on Asus BIOS, DIMM Flex and all that overdone marketing fluff is just out there to trick uninformed buyers that they run some proprietary asus only feature when in fact they are just renaming and regrouping parameters/intel tech in AMI Aptio V available to all board vendors (Giga, ASRock, MSI, Asus and chinese vendors)

 

[fkchon]

ASRock side it seems the modern ARL tile power management and core ratio designation system is broken.

Specific Per Core (Ratios), Selection and Legacy for Power Management side, it seems like all Selection PM options on chiplets are broken? Wildly unstable or unbootable.

My combo of settings does not permit me to boot manual fixed SA voltage overrides (auto is ok). Regardless, already figured how to use RPL level of Power Management and placing in copied memory settings (8400 lazy profile) from Veii for friend. Looks like it is even good for up to 85C on DIMM temps.

Now DVFS goes as low as x4 ratio on this platform than x8 for a long time.

Asrock specific per core settings for voltage does work you must select Adaptive, override is broken. P-core core ratio limit seems to work just fine for me, I do 2 cores 58x, 4 cores 57x anything above I just repeat 56x.

I think Gigabyte also has lots of core voltage options showing up but not applying on Z890. Their bios releases are much more frequent but never seem to fix any day1 issues, so I would say their engineer tries but aren't doing a proper job?

As far as I know everything works perfect on ASUS, not to mention ASUS boards tend to use less VCCSA voltage compared to Asrock for same settings (same CPU and ram). Proper V/F curve, D2D warm. Yes, DIMM fit may be a gimmick but they continue to add features that improve overclocking. ASUS boards are the only ones that can consistently stabilize 40x D2D on Arrow Lake, they have a D2D cold boot workaround that actually works day1 (Asrock one still fails to post for many users). Most recently ASUS added a D2D workaround for high memory OC.

You really get what you pay for with Z890, it shows which brands care about user which doesn't.

 

[ondooy]

 

[Encrypted11]

Asrock specific per core settings for voltage does work you must select Adaptive, override is broken. P-core core ratio limit seems to work just fine for me, I do 2 cores 58x, 4 cores 57x anything above I just repeat 56x.

I think Gigabyte also has lots of core voltage options showing up but not applying on Z890. Their bios releases are much more frequent but never seem to fix any day1 issues, so I would say their engineer tries but aren't doing a proper job?

As far as I know everything works perfect on ASUS, not to mention ASUS boards tend to use less VCCSA voltage compared to Asrock for same settings (same CPU and ram). Proper V/F curve, D2D warm. Yes, DIMM fit may be a gimmick but they continue to add features that improve overclocking. ASUS boards are the only ones that can consistently stabilize 40x D2D on Arrow Lake, they have a D2D cold boot workaround that actually works day1 (Asrock one still fails to post for many users). Most recently ASUS added a D2D workaround for high memory OC.

You really get what you pay for with Z890, it shows which brands care about user which doesn't.

Thanks for sic! Will probably try next weekend.

There's a no boot issue with D2D OC?

 

[fkchon]

Thanks for sic! Will probably try next weekend.

There's a no boot issue with D2D OC?

For me on the Taichi OCF, up until 34x D2D with 0.85v VNNAON is fine daily. 40x is stable at 1.01v once its booted but for whatever reason will instantly fail VT3 tests, I do get the cold boot bug from time to time if I leave it at 40x, when it happens just need to go clear CMOS then load back the profile and it will be fine (I assume this is also what ASUS does behind the scenes with coldboot workaround).

 

[Encrypted11]

For me on the Taichi OCF, up until 34x D2D with 0.85v VNNAON is fine daily. 40x is stable at 1.01v once its booted but for whatever reason will instantly fail VT3 tests, I do get the cold boot bug from time to time if I leave it at 40x, when it happens just need to go clear CMOS then load back the profile and it will be fine (I assume this is also what ASUS does behind the scenes with coldboot workaround).

Thanks, late in the game but thanks for good sic!

 

[froztheart]

Intel Gamer Days 2025 - Battlefield 6 Bundle

 

[ragnarok95]

Can't wait for Nova lake with big L3 cache to fight against AMD X3D.