Is it really over for Intel®?

[xiaofan]

Don't write off Intel as yet.

Intel 18A will be the make-or-break for Intel and I tend to believe that they will make it.

News on Intel 18A.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2150...oting-first-external-customer-tapeout-in-h125

Intel’s do-or-die dash for process leadership means that, for the next 18 months or so, all eyes are on the company’s 20A and 18A process nodes. The final nodes in their ambitious 5 Nodes in 4 Years roadmap, the twinned 20A/18A are the culmination of several new technologies, primarily Intel’s GAAFET implementation (RibbonFET), which is being combined with PowerVia, Intel’s backside power delivery network (BS-PDN) technology. 20A is set to serve as Intel’s early version of the node, and 18A the refined version for long-term use both internally, and as the first major external node for Intel Foundry. To say that everything rides on Intel 18A isn’t quite accurate, but it’s only a slight embellishment.

 

[ragnarok95]

Waiting for youtuber to make video like... INTEL IS BACK! OMG INTEL STRIKE BACK! RIP AMD! INTEL IS HERE!

 

[Ferolare]

Applying for a job at userbenchmark now

 

[elmariachi]

Don't write off Intel as yet.

Intel 18A will be the make-or-break for Intel and I tend to believe that they will make it.

News on Intel 18A.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2150...oting-first-external-customer-tapeout-in-h125

Intel’s do-or-die dash for process leadership means that, for the next 18 months or so, all eyes are on the company’s 20A and 18A process nodes. The final nodes in their ambitious 5 Nodes in 4 Years roadmap, the twinned 20A/18A are the culmination of several new technologies, primarily Intel’s GAAFET implementation (RibbonFET), which is being combined with PowerVia, Intel’s backside power delivery network (BS-PDN) technology. 20A is set to serve as Intel’s early version of the node, and 18A the refined version for long-term use both internally, and as the first major external node for Intel Foundry. To say that everything rides on Intel 18A isn’t quite accurate, but it’s only a slight embellishment.

Interesting if true. Let's wait and see.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-s...performance-new-arrow-lake-battlemage-updates

 

[kimsix]

Asus ftw! Another apex for intel

I realised arrow lake is 3nm! A bit better than zen5 4nm, seriously i think intel can win this round convincingly for the good of gamers!

 

[TanKianW]

Don't write off Intel as yet.

Intel 18A will be the make-or-break for Intel and I tend to believe that they will make it.

News on Intel 18A.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2150...oting-first-external-customer-tapeout-in-h125

Intel’s do-or-die dash for process leadership means that, for the next 18 months or so, all eyes are on the company’s 20A and 18A process nodes. The final nodes in their ambitious 5 Nodes in 4 Years roadmap, the twinned 20A/18A are the culmination of several new technologies, primarily Intel’s GAAFET implementation (RibbonFET), which is being combined with PowerVia, Intel’s backside power delivery network (BS-PDN) technology. 20A is set to serve as Intel’s early version of the node, and 18A the refined version for long-term use both internally, and as the first major external node for Intel Foundry. To say that everything rides on Intel 18A isn’t quite accurate, but it’s only a slight embellishment.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-boots-first-18a-cpu/

A good watch to better understand the "backside" power delivery technology.


The gate all around technology:

Can probably have a first look at Zen 5 chips in the wild when I arrived at SZ tmr. ​

 

[Phen8210]

Asus ftw! Another apex for intel

I realised arrow lake is 3nm! A bit better than zen5 4nm, seriously i think intel can win this round convincingly for the good of gamers!

Yes.. intel OMG .. Intel.. is the future of CPU

RIP AMD....... AMD IS DOOMED

Spoiler

That's what I heard when the 12th gen was announced

 

[iceblendedchoc]

i think you guys need to share the fix in bigger forums , most people would not touch the default settings.

 

[elmariachi]

i think you guys need to share the fix in bigger forums , most people would not touch the default settings.

*** ASUS BOARD OWNERS ***

ROG MAXIMUS/STRIX/PROART/AYW Z790 Series Beta Bios 2503/1503

01. Update microcode to x129 for Intel instability issue
02. Improve system performance

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel...e-resources/m-p/1034564/highlight/true#M24284

 

[xtractor]

*** ASUS BOARD OWNERS ***

ROG MAXIMUS/STRIX/PROART/AYW Z790 Series Beta Bios 2503/1503

01. Update microcode to x129 for Intel instability issue
02. Improve system performance

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel...e-resources/m-p/1034564/highlight/true#M24284

OMG I just updated my MSI bios a few hours ago to version x125. And then today, MSI released the new bios x129
now i need to re-configure my OC settings for x129 wth. LOL

 

[elmariachi]

OMG I just updated my MSI bios a few hours ago to version x125. And then today, MSI released the new bios x129
now i need to re-configure my OC settings for x129 wth. LOL

I am still going to keep my current bios for the moment since I'm running static voltages plus I think those on high memory speeds like myself running 8600Mhz custom timings and voltages may want to hold off untill people test this new bios further. New microcodes usually means you have to rework your ddr5 voltages and timings. If you're just XMP, then I don't see a problem with moving to this new bios. Just something to think about if you're running such speeds and tighter timings over XMP.

 

[xtractor]

I am still going to keep my current bios for the moment since I'm running static voltages plus I think those on high memory speeds like myself running 8600Mhz custom timings and voltages may want to hold off untill people test this new bios further. New microcodes usually means you have to rework your ddr5 voltages and timings. If you're just XMP, then I don't see a problem with moving to this new bios. Just something to think about if you're running such speeds and tighter timings over XMP.

I will try to use the new bios right now, and as you mentioned yes I am running it on xmp settings, which are extremely simple and user-friendly. I hope there is nothing wrong with the new bios, but it is a beta version, and if it does not work well, I will roll back to the old bios.

 

[Phen8210]

i think you guys need to share the fix in bigger forums , most people would not touch the default settings.

actually most people dont even update their bios.. or even browse internet in regard to PC lol.. i know quite a couple who just buy the highest end intel CPU, and Nvidia GPU whenever they build PC.. I know these people for over 20 year, they dont care about research all that.

 

[ragnarok95]

ME ME ME ME ME. I never update bios unless needed.

 

[xtractor]

ME ME ME ME ME. I never update bios unless needed.

In any case, the most recent version is terrible.

Test it and crash every time.

revert back the prior bios for now.

 

[Phen8210]

In any case, the most recent version is terrible.

Test it and crash every time.

revert back the prior bios for now.

lol, sounds like snake oil or worse than snake oil

 

[Phen8210]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/bus...-job-dividend-cuts-cause-stock-plunge-4533936

many more to come

 

[xtractor]

finally after a few tweaks the new bios x129 so so stable

 

[stanlawj]

Intel CEOs and their mishaps:

Brian Krzanich 2013-2018
- Chemistry
- Intel process engineer
- Diversified Intel into 5G wireless, wearables, VR, AI (but focused on CPU approach).
- DEI initiatives
- "Consensual relationship with an Intel employee” in violation of corporate policy

Bob Swan 2019-2021
-BBA & MBA (omg!!)
- CFO training (bean-counter!!)
- Emergency parachuted in by Intel board members to replaced Krzanich.
- Did two corporate acquisitions for AI (still CPU approach).

Neither of the two CEOs were able to identify and fix the delays in fabbing their CPUs for 3 generations. So basically those CEOs failed Intel in the sense they diverted Intel's resources and attention to other things that don't matter in the long run.

Board members are also to blame. They all biz-focused only (i.e. no semicon technical expertise).
List of Intel board members during the appointment of Bob Swan in 2019:

• Andy Bryant (Chairman)
  • Qualifications: Served as Intel's Chief Financial Officer and Chief Administrative Officer
  • Past Experience: 40+ years of experience at Intel, previously held various executive roles
• Dion Weisler
  • Qualifications: Served as CEO of HP Inc.
  • Past Experience: 20+ years of experience in the tech industry, previously held senior roles at Lenovo and Acer
• Omar Ishrak
  • Qualifications: Served as Chairman and CEO of Medtronic
  • Past Experience: 30+ years of experience in the medical device industry, previously held roles at General Electric
• James Goetz
  • Qualifications: Co-founder and partner at Sequoia Capital
  • Past Experience: 20+ years of venture capital and technology investing experience
• Alyssa Henry
  • Qualifications: Served as Square's, Inc.'s Seller Lead
  • Past Experience: 20+ years of experience in technology and payments industry, previously held roles at Amazon
• Risa Lavizzo-Mourey
  • Qualifications: Professor at University of Pennsylvania
  • Past Experience: Former CEO of Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, policy experience in healthcare
• David Pottruck
  • Qualifications: Former CEO and Chairman of The Charles Schwab Corporation
  • Past Experience: 20+ years of leadership experience in the financial services industry
• Robert Swan (CEO)
  • Qualifications: Served as Intel's Chief Financial Officer prior to becoming CEO
  • Past Experience: 30+ years of experience in the tech industry, previously held executive roles at eBay and other companies

With Pat Gelsinger now back in charge, Intel is gunning to be the first fab to roll-out sub-2nm CPU with high-NA EUV lithography by 2027. In the meantime, Intel just have to make do with their existing fab processes lagging behind TSMC.

I hope my 12700k can last another 3 more years till 2027 and skip all the in-betweens. My previous Intel Core Q9450 and i5-4670k each lasted more than 10 years.

 

[KleoZy]

MSI out with their 0x129 microcode.
https://www.msi.com/news/detail/BIO...13th-Gen-Desktop-Processor-Instability-144258

the rest will follow. so do rememeber to update your bios and for those already facing BSOD, asap go RMA your processor.