jogging and motivation thread

[sph777]

i cheapo . agree the ecorun is value for money and seem to me more community centered... don't flame me but 2XU seems like a money grab.

haha, I didn't sign up for 2xu cause I felt it was way too ex and last year there were so many complaints.

 

[GlassDoor]

Great stuff. A fair amount is actually better neuromuscular recruitment/drive if that is the case.....something like "beginner's gains" in this area. Hope that you can also develop even better form also and aid some RE, which translates into more speed. Of coz your muscular strength also need to be able to tahan and hold this for the distance you are doing.

You can even put some cherry and whipped cream on the top with some SITs, or if you are a firm believer that such high speeds are high risk for injury for those who are older, then do strides. Anything "new" that you do = tendency to improve.
SITs can be done with just 50-60m distances and short reps (I dont exceed 4, but i have been doing them with my kid long before Covid believe it or not).
Strides also not supposed to be really taxing, dont turn them into yasso 800s or any interval based style training, that is not the aim. But they are longer than SITs, just search on youtube on how to do these 2.....but personally i think since you are into longer distances, SITs dont need to do that many reps and 50-75m really sufficient liao. If scared about injury, you can lower it with hills, 40m-50m. Also, you can do it like strides style of acceleration and deceleration, but then aim towards 75-100m with the start and ending not as explosive.


If anyone thinks this is BS and time wasting and does not believe it'd help HM or FM long distance, then go see how Bekele does them strides, most famous example. Other notable egs include Haile Gabrielsee or Mo Farah. Lagi a few dozen reps and multiple times a week, not just the few reps that most runners would do and only on speed day which might even be just once per week.
But no need to spend too much volume or time, even a little goes a long way from beginning stage. If find them interesting and it is for you, can invest more time.

Some folks do not think this is effective training. You go regular neighbourhood stadium or PCN or what and see who does them, less those doing structured / coached sessions. Think we similar talked about glute max exercises before also at the stadium, similar story,,,,

i am a firm believer that most experienced runners will stand to benefit greatly in investing in a pair of spikes and one or two track sessions a month. But most will think i siao

 

[winningeleven]

Great stuff. A fair amount is actually better neuromuscular recruitment/drive if that is the case.....something like "beginner's gains" in this area. Hope that you can also develop even better form also and aid some RE, which translates into more speed. Of coz your muscular strength also need to be able to tahan and hold this for the distance you are doing.

You can even put some cherry and whipped cream on the top with some SITs, or if you are a firm believer that such high speeds are high risk for injury for those who are older, then do strides. Anything "new" that you do = tendency to improve.
SITs can be done with just 50-60m distances and short reps (I dont exceed 4, but i have been doing them with my kid long before Covid believe it or not).
Strides also not supposed to be really taxing, dont turn them into yasso 800s or any interval based style training, that is not the aim. But they are longer than SITs, just search on youtube on how to do these 2.....but personally i think since you are into longer distances, SITs dont need to do that many reps and 50-75m really sufficient liao. If scared about injury, you can lower it with hills, 40m-50m. Also, you can do it like strides style of acceleration and deceleration, but then aim towards 75-100m with the start and ending not as explosive.


If anyone thinks this is BS and time wasting and does not believe it'd help HM or FM long distance, then go see how Bekele does them strides, most famous example. Other notable egs include Haile Gabrielsee or Mo Farah. Lagi a few dozen reps and multiple times a week, not just the few reps that most runners would do and only on speed day which might even be just once per week.
But no need to spend too much volume or time, even a little goes a long way from beginning stage. If find them interesting and it is for you, can invest more time.

Some folks do not think this is effective training. You go regular neighbourhood stadium or PCN or what and see who does them, less those doing structured / coached sessions. Think we similar talked about glute max exercises before also at the stadium, similar story,,,,

Wow. Is almost like running 100m dash. I still remb I ran 12.2 sec when I was a 14 years school boy and 1 min 2 sec for the 400m. All were hand timed and it was in year 1993 or 1994.

 

[winningeleven]

haha, I didn't sign up for 2xu cause I felt it was way too ex and last year there were so many complaints.

I ran in 2023 and it was my worst run. Spend 1st hour running zig zag to overtake slower runners and encountered 2 or 3 bottleneck along the route. I was completely exhausted after 10km. My timing was 2hr 9 mins !!

 

[Ender]

i cheapo . agree the ecorun is value for money and seem to me more community centered... don't flame me but 2XU seems like a money grab.

haha, I didn't sign up for 2xu cause I felt it was way too ex and last year there were so many complaints.

2XU brand themselves as a premium race, coz of the branding. But it's one of the consistently badly organized run from the complaints they received year after year. Also one of the most expensive race that isn't WA or SA certified. Pay a bit more can run SCSM HM which gives you the satisfaction that you PBed on a certified course, coz this is important as races like 2xu had been giving questionable distances over the years.

Eco run is cheap and so far I am satisfied with their logistic. Adequate drink station. But do note, at this price, there is no medal or even tees (purchase at extra cost as an option)

 

[Tudo88]

Tbh, even without discount code, 40 dollars is one of the cheaper races out there. 2xu was 95 loyalty rate for half. GG

2XU got 3 shirts haha. You are technically paying 55 more for that 3 shirts.

 

[sph777]

2XU got 3 shirts haha. You are technically paying 55 more for that 3 shirts.

they consistently sell the shirts for cheap price after the runs so can don't even need to run to get the shirts LOL

 

[Ender]

@sales69 Think you go Serangoon stadium look for her and ask her if she took your sweaty adidas singlet. She see half naked guys, can;t hide her excitement.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...men-working-out-at-serangoon-stadium.7184962/

 

[sales69]

@sales69 Think you go Serangoon stadium look for her and ask her if she took your sweaty adidas singlet. She see half naked guys, can;t hide her excitement.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...men-working-out-at-serangoon-stadium.7184962/

Wah didn't knew Hougang stadium so happening. What's up with the hand holding workout?

The girl not bad. Already salivating.

 

[sales69]

Anyone changed the stock insole of the Xiaonians to something thicker and noticed a difference? The stock insole is 2mm and i ordered the 5mm 大毛牛 from xiaonian. Dont know if it will make any difference but only paid around $7 with free shipping from PDD so why the hell not.

The stock insole is CMI for me. Since. I don't like firm feeling.

I changed to Plaid 大牦牛. More springy and softer to my liking.

Also tried Leili Plaid's insole which is slightly more softer but less springy.

But be careful when replacing insole. Make sure the size fits nicely and insert in without excess to the side(instep) and heel area.

My recent plantar pain likely cause by changing insole on the Dowin Speedster 3. I noticed the insole was slightly slanted but heck care.

Next day after run injured.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Wow. Is almost like running 100m dash. I still remb I ran 12.2 sec when I was a 14 years school boy and 1 min 2 sec for the 400m. All were hand timed and it was in year 1993 or 1994.

Then you shd be fine, there ought to be at least a wee bit of muscle memory left (brain, not the same as neuromuscular / neural drive and motor units / type 2A and 2X fibres).

It shd come back soon enough, with some very slow but progressively added training. At least theorectically shd be faster than those pure couch potatoes, which really need years if not decades of serious training before can post seriously decent times. eg 400m can hit 65-70s, it is possible even with a 60 yr old.

For me, speed and explosiveness is absent from my teens and NSF and NSmen years. My shuttle run, for eg, need to run several times and the station IC give chance then i pass. SBJ no need to say, just forget it.

 

[WussRedXLi]

i am a firm believer that most experienced runners will stand to benefit greatly in investing in a pair of spikes and one or two track sessions a month. But most will think i siao

Not siao, anyone who are into speed definitely can use spikes. Branch into this area, youtube a lot of training vids, some of which i also share. But yeah the vast majority (less a small bunch) would think siao one esp for elderly.
But imo the converse is true......slowly but progressively trained over years for the middle aged and elderly (not months hor, not even 12 months) , it is useful and functional. Esp if you add in a bit of twists and turns (so-called chaos training) here and there elsewhere, train proprioception as cell. Very functional and useful in real life one, and significantly delay "aging" in this area.

And once conditioned with S&C and the volume/intensity is managed, 200, 300m, 400m, 800m is actually no more injury prone than easy LSDs, believe it or not. Unless the middle aged or elderly fella really satki and can maintain maximal effort for 200-400m or play block starts one. heh. A good way of putting it is it's not that much different from strides in terms of RPE......and we know strides with proper form are not more injury prone than say easy runs.

Very easy one..... dont use it, you lose it. Simple as that.

But of coz, need to be near a stadium also lah.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Later go watch.......

I never really liked 4 mins. For me is 30-40s durations (but done 3 sets and high reps of 12), more so coz of cycling training influences. (and even then, these are surgical strikes and meant to shock the system every now and then and be useful in road cycling context, lactate threshold training matters more...but still you gotta train every part of the energy systems and not leave money on the table while focusing on appropriate recovery).

 

[Ender]

Later go watch.......

Heng, i never really liked 4 mins. For me is 30-40s durations (but done 3 sets and high reps of 12), more so coz of cycling training influences. (and even then, these are surgical strikes and meant to shock the system every now and then and be useful in road cycling context, lactate threshold training matters more...but still you gotta train every part of the system and not leave money on the table while focusing on appropriate recovery).

Watch liao. He point is this workout is too demanding to be used as the main pillar of threshold training. Really don't think anyone uses 4X 4 as their only high intensity workouts except those influencers raving about them.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Later go watch.......

I never really liked 4 mins. For me is 30-40s durations (but done 3 sets and high reps of 12), more so coz of cycling training influences. (and even then, these are surgical strikes and meant to shock the system every now and then and be useful in road cycling context, lactate threshold training matters more...but still you gotta train every part of the energy systems and not leave money on the table while focusing on appropriate recovery).

Ok watched. Seems like no real differences between the 15/15 grp and 4 x 4 grp. So in essence, the 30/30 or 40/40 i have been doing same as that. I cannot tahan 30/15 or 40/20 as "regular" training.
The 3k TTs i already puked a couple of times.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Watch liao. He point is this workout is too demanding to be used as the main pillar of threshold training. Really don't think anyone uses 4X 4 as their only high intensity workouts except those influencers raving about them.

Yes, i just watched. And yeah i sorta agree. 4 mins (3 mins rest at easy) is rather hard for majority. Threshold holds better returns for us, even for say 5k/10k runners.

The 3Ks that i attempted before, i puked actually a couple of times. Not easy to pace if wanna get PBs also.

For cycling, a similar concept is LCK or WCH, which are 8km and 5km respectively. I dont TT LCK road, but for WCH is around 7-7.5 mins effort for the 5k (chevron marker to chevron marker at Vivo to Pasir Panjang end)

Also when younger and during NSmen time, i also puked 2X for 2.4, i guess same old same old. Didnt wannt go IPT......but training not sufficient, so all out just whack.

 

[WussRedXLi]

@sales69 Think you go Serangoon stadium look for her and ask her if she took your sweaty adidas singlet. She see half naked guys, can;t hide her excitement.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...men-working-out-at-serangoon-stadium.7184962/

Wah didn't knew Hougang stadium so happening. What's up with the hand holding workout?

The girl not bad. Already salivating.

Girl fims half naked guys and drool posts it online......nobody says anything.

But if guys just look and stares at bikini girls or even lululemon girls running @ MBS, the world goes crazy and shouts creeps, so rude to stare....never see before girl running ah etc.

Anyway, i think is Hyrox lah.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Not sure which siao lang prescribing 3 sessions of VO2 work per week.

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We break down the critical difference between VO2 Max (your potential) and Lactate Threshold (your performance).

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We also cover the specific 4x4 minute interval protocol (similar to the Norwegian Method) to maximize stroke volume, how to test your own physiological limiters using a 5K or lab test, and how to structure your training week to balance high-intensity VO2 max work with the necessary Zone 2 foundation.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Again, another vid......how heat affects your performance. (core temp sensors inside video, both body and limbs)

 

[WussRedXLi]

This is crazy, so much $$$ in this both wheelset and frame, but rear wheel is not even balanced. (and i dont think the front wheel is neither since no care was given).

Not sure if that tribar costs even more than my road bike whole thing.

Really crazy rich asians.