jogging and motivation thread

[Deadmaninc75]

Looking at the HK streetathon videos earlier actually made me quite looking fwd to the HKM race next month. Weather was quite cold as some mentioned but i see some still quite a handful wearing singlets. Gonna attempt 1 or 2 LSD this week before the holidays to prepare for the race.

Last bridge to the finish line is kenasai

 

[sph777]

Last bridge to the finish line is kenasai

worse than sheares?

 

[xllms]

20231214 13degC BMAI必迈 惊碳Mix Plus
6.26km @ 5'44" av
7.3km @ 6'33" av return
not feeling good due to a mild ongoing cough past few days. cut short my run.

20231229 4degC super foggy
saucony endorphin pro 3
10.4km @ 6'22" av (11 rounds around housing development internal landscape running track paving)
good to be back after 2 weeks break from super bad flu.

 

[binbinpon]

Just food for thoughts.

Well I don't quite agree with Peter Attia 80/20 for health. A 50/50may be more appropriate for the average joe.

Elite runners and recreational runners have different training volumes.

Most recreational runners with their limited training time ie. volume probably benefits more from higher intensity exercises which generate more mitochondria at cellular level, and have plenty of resting time to avoid overtraining.

One does more recovery runs at low intensity because one needs to avoid overtraining in a scenario like running 6x/week while the average guy running 2-3x/wk for health already has sufficient rest days.

And zone 3 training is not really as bad as what social media has been promoting.

 

[Ender]

Just food for thoughts.

Well I don't quite agree with Peter Attia 80/20 for health. A 50/50may be more appropriate for the average joe.

Elite runners and recreational runners have different training volumes.

Most recreational runners with their limited training time ie. volume probably benefits more from higher intensity exercises which generate more mitochondria at cellular level, and have plenty of resting time to avoid overtraining.

One does more recovery runs at low intensity because one needs to avoid overtraining in a scenario like running 6x/week while the average guy running 2-3x/wk for health already has sufficient rest days.

And zone 3 training is not really as bad as what social media has been promoting.

Actually for average joe with no running goals like smashing his 10km or HM PB. Just want to run for health for 3 days a week with a lot of rest in between a week. I said before just run at an intensity that gives you the most mileage within that given time you have. Mileage is directly proportional to calories burn. That intensity most often would be threshold, since likely the average joe would have just 30min to 40min. But if strangely that day he had more than an hour, a zone 3 would be more likely it that covers the most distance.

PS,
I think Peter Attia's audience is people who treat exercise as a very important component for health and fitness and allocates a significant amount of personal time into it. Peter has recently been preaching how exercise is more important factor that determine longevity than any other factors base on hazard ratio. Nothing comes close to Vo2max as the metric in the hazard ratio, not even smoking or people on kidney dialysis he said in his previous podcast. People who subscribe to his teaching would likely make exercise a big part of their daily routine.

 

[xllms]

Actually for average joe with no running goals like smashing his 10km or HM PB. Just want to run for health for 3 days a week with a lot of rest in between a week. I said before just run at an intensity that gives you the most mileage within that given time you have. Mileage is directly proportional to calories burn. That intensity most often would be threshold, since likely the average joe would have just 30min to 40min. But if strangely that day he had more than an hour, a zone 3 would be more likely it that covers the most distance.

PS,
I think Peter Attia's audience is people who treat exercise as a very important component for health and fitness and allocates a significant amount of personal time into it. Peter has recently been preaching how exercise is more important factor that determine longevity than any other factors base on hazard ratio. Nothing comes close to Vo2max as the metric in the hazard ratio, not even smoking or people on kidney dialysis he said in his previous podcast. People who subscribe to his teaching would likely make exercise a big part of their daily routine.

also think everyone's body condition and VO2 max potential is different. And VO2max may not be the only factor that determine longevity as there are many old folks who don't actively exercise live a long life beyond 100yrs old. Personally i think we are just stepping into a deep knowledge/understanding on longevity and wellbeing. There is another school of thought that encourages one to slow down and exercise less when one ages, conserve one's energy to live longer.

 

[Ender]

also think everyone's body condition and VO2 max potential is different. And VO2max may not be the only factor that determine longevity as there are many old folks who don't actively exercise live a long life beyond 100yrs old. Personally i think we are just stepping into a deep knowledge/understanding on longevity and wellbeing. There is another school of thought that encourages one to slow down and exercise less when one ages, conserve one's energy to live longer.

The thing is what we see around us are anecdotes and what Peter Attia's podcast are referring to are high sampling data studies, the comparison method is Hazard Ratio. Of course the anecdote feels more real coz it happen around our social circle.

 

[xllms]

The thing is what we see around us are anecdotes and what Peter Attia's podcast are referring to are high sampling data studies, the comparison method is Hazard Ratio. Of course the anecdote feels more real coz it happen around our social circle.

nothing wrong with that but the studies only represent the people they tested. Different lifestyle, food consumption, cultural behavior, etc will have direct impact, imo. As i said, we could be merely taken one small step into this world of profound deep knowledge.

 

[Ender]

nothing wrong with that but the studies only represent the people they tested. Different lifestyle, food consumption, cultural behavior, etc will have direct impact, imo. As i said, we could be merely taken one small step into this world of profound deep knowledge.

That is why the sample they test has to be random sampled. The idea of random sample is to mitigate the error of anecdote evidence if general population are to be taken into context. For anedote, our social circle it is accurate, but alot of them don't translate to general population and hence Randon samples studies are deem to be more reliable.

 

[Ender]

Can he do it? Should be an exciting race to watch for.

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/...wo-hour-barrier-at-rotterdam-marathon-in-2024

Kiptum aiming to break two-hour barrier at Rotterdam Marathon in 2024​

Kelvin Kiptum has enjoyed a remarkable 2023, breaking the men's marathon world record, and the Kenyan now wants to run the first sub-two-hour marathon in Rotterdam next April.
In October, running in just his third marathon, Kiptum took 34 seconds off the previous record in winning the Chicago Marathon in two hours and 35 seconds. He also won the London Marathon in April in 2:01:25, which at the time was the second-fastest time ever for a marathon.
When asked what was next in his sights, Kiptum told Gazzetta dello Sport: "It's already known, the Rotterdam Marathon on April 14.
"I would like to grow further, and so, inevitably, break the barrier."
Kiptum has his reasons for choosing Rotterdam as his next marathon.
"The organisation is linked to my management," Kiptum said.

"In 2022 I was supposed to run it, to make my debut but a slight injury stopped me. This will be the right time."

The intense training involved to chase these records means Kiptum sees his family only once a week during these periods.
"It's a choice made in full conscience, in agreement with my wife, to focus 100% on my goals," the 24-year-old said.
One of those goals will be to compete at the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris, and Kiptum is one of 10 pre-selected for the Kenyan team.
"There are three places and I want to be there," Kiptum said.
"As a team we will collaborate, but then everyone looks out for themselves. I could also aim for the Tokyo 2025 World Championships, I saw the race in Budapest which fascinated me."
For now, Kiptum's training and thoughts all lead to Rotterdam, and the dream of becoming the first athlete to ever run the marathon in under two hours.
"I'll go there to run fast, the course is ideal and the crowds in the streets push you to give your best. I would love to be a part of the rich history of this marathon.
"If the preparation goes in the right direction, with peaks of 270 kilometres per week, and the weather conditions permit, I will go for it." REUTERS

 

[sph777]

Can he do it? Should be an exciting race to watch for.

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/...wo-hour-barrier-at-rotterdam-marathon-in-2024

Kiptum aiming to break two-hour barrier at Rotterdam Marathon in 2024​

Kelvin Kiptum has enjoyed a remarkable 2023, breaking the men's marathon world record, and the Kenyan now wants to run the first sub-two-hour marathon in Rotterdam next April.
In October, running in just his third marathon, Kiptum took 34 seconds off the previous record in winning the Chicago Marathon in two hours and 35 seconds. He also won the London Marathon in April in 2:01:25, which at the time was the second-fastest time ever for a marathon.
When asked what was next in his sights, Kiptum told Gazzetta dello Sport: "It's already known, the Rotterdam Marathon on April 14.
"I would like to grow further, and so, inevitably, break the barrier."
Kiptum has his reasons for choosing Rotterdam as his next marathon.
"The organisation is linked to my management," Kiptum said.

"In 2022 I was supposed to run it, to make my debut but a slight injury stopped me. This will be the right time."

The intense training involved to chase these records means Kiptum sees his family only once a week during these periods.
"It's a choice made in full conscience, in agreement with my wife, to focus 100% on my goals," the 24-year-old said.
One of those goals will be to compete at the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris, and Kiptum is one of 10 pre-selected for the Kenyan team.
"There are three places and I want to be there," Kiptum said.
"As a team we will collaborate, but then everyone looks out for themselves. I could also aim for the Tokyo 2025 World Championships, I saw the race in Budapest which fascinated me."
For now, Kiptum's training and thoughts all lead to Rotterdam, and the dream of becoming the first athlete to ever run the marathon in under two hours.
"I'll go there to run fast, the course is ideal and the crowds in the streets push you to give your best. I would love to be a part of the rich history of this marathon.
"If the preparation goes in the right direction, with peaks of 270 kilometres per week, and the weather conditions permit, I will go for it." REUTERS

270km per week is just unfathomable for me to even think of. This is really the case of not everyone can do the same programmes

 

[winningeleven]

My highest record is 80km plus In a week. A LSD 30km. A HM, 2 x 15km.

I feel 60km run in a week already not that easy.

 

[koroshiya8]

Did 2 rounds just now.. 2nd round was too much for me..

 

[WussRedXLi]

 

[Deadmaninc75]

My highest record is 80km plus In a week. A LSD 30km. A HM, 2 x 15km.

I feel 60km run in a week already not that easy.

mine towards marathon prep 10km+15+25

 

[coolhead]

Did 2 rounds just now.. 2nd round was too much for me..

Your timing is FAST

 

[WussRedXLi]

another one

 

[WussRedXLi]

 

[LWZ]

270km per week is just unfathomable for me to even think of. This is really the case of not everyone can do the same programmes

I sometimes don't even run 27km a week

 

[Ender]

I am not running til next year, so tonight's annual report is final for 2023.

Will target 4K next year.