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I don't think it's practical for older people to participate HM using the higher intensity run method.

Before reaching the finishing line, maybe already landed in hospital liao :s13:
I am fine with zone 2 running being 90% of mileage. One aspect senior can do well is endurance.

But do at least some intensity, coz we need to mitigate VO2max degradation due to aging.
 
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I read that in order to maintain your running pace, we need to stay in Zone 2
For long distances, quite normal to be in zone 2. Also for recovery runs, can run in zone 2.

It should be in a state where you are running effortless, can daydream and talk if there’s people running with you
After you put the training, and gain enough mileage, done a significant portion of your long run with marathon pace, what racing strategy to adopt during race day?

Can consider this 10/10/10 strategy.

https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/training/try-the-10-10-10-marathon-method-for-perfect-pacing/

Try the 10/10/10 marathon method for perfect pacing

Already doing this in my long runs, progressive long runs.

I strategise for all runs above 3km. Ran the 6km yesterday with 1-3-2, 1km warm up, 3km coast, 2km burst.

Depending on the run, I come up with the strategy that works best for me.
 

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I don't think it's practical for older people to participate HM using the higher intensity run method.

Before reaching the finishing line, maybe already landed in hospital liao :s13:
If this is true, you will have a lot of cardiac arrests in the annual Masters track & field meet liao. The book I recommended to Ender, suggest u go read also lah. It will be beneficial to you.
 

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If this is true, you will have a lot of cardiac arrests in the annual Masters track & field meet liao. The book I recommended to Ender, suggest u go read also lah. It will be beneficial to you.

What's the book title ?
 

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The race against time by Richard Askwith. NLB got. I'm at the 2nd last chapter liao, reading to get ready for my master years in running since by end of this yr I will be 40 liao :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Still young 😄
 

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the bush hammered granite finish pavements are wet here and I almost slipped when I ran down and up slopes, had to slow down and take small steps. outsole of the saucony endorphin pro 3 cmi.

Since you are near 50s, better not risk and be very careful of where you step. if not been supplementing with Mg/D3.
Think got some fellas here (bro llcch?) who tripped before and took a while to recover. If really suay, could end up with hairline fractures etc.

Actually my family / parents quite against me to go whack cycling........only could "pacify" them to let me do it by adding so many lights (wayang a bit, of coz i do use them lah). So, that's one part of the story. Esp for my mum, late 70s liao and she got mild depression, so i even had to whatsapp her after i reach home from my daily rides.

Anyway, my kid buanged just last night also while u-turning, i forgot to tell him to stay off the metal drain covers at the sides along Garden By The Bay since it rained yesterday. 😅 (in fact, any metal railing covers, and also the painted markings on the roads)
 

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Running motivation

This ex-military korean guy, 37 (38 this year), debut running his first HM at 1.20.08. His 5km was 17.17 before this race and was mostly used to running 12-13km.
 

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Running motivation

This ex-military korean guy, 37 (38 this year), debut running his first HM at 1.20.08. His 5km was 17.17 before this race and was mostly used to running 12-13km.


Saw Yi Jun Tey @ T100 yest also....... think i am bitten liao. Alas i cant swim for nuts. :ROFLMAO:
 

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How to run like them ?

Seriously, i have absolutely no idea, that top fella is like over 40. I came across 1 YT fella (few subscribers) age 61 doing 17.38 for 5k wtf.
I am still stuck in the anyhow hoot unstructured sessions totally based on volume lifestyle. 😅 When occasionally feel a bit of niggle /pain then dial back.
Also look at the smartwatch for reference, the training load. Just grind and do majority relac type but i do my hard sessions solid solid coz i very much enjoy the speed.

So far so good results satisfactory....... i mean as far as expectations managed can la. :grin:

ok gotta go basket 6am liao
 
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Since you are near 50s, better not risk and be very careful of where you step. if not been supplementing with Mg/D3.
Think got some fellas here (bro llcch?) who tripped before and took a while to recover. If really suay, could end up with hairline fractures etc.

Actually my family / parents quite against me to go whack cycling........only could "pacify" them to let me do it by adding so many lights (wayang a bit, of coz i do use them lah). So, that's one part of the story. Esp for my mum, late 70s liao and she got mild depression, so i even had to whatsapp her after i reach home from my daily rides.

Anyway, my kid buanged just last night also while u-turning, i forgot to tell him to stay off the metal drain covers at the sides along Garden By The Bay since it rained yesterday. 😅 (in fact, any metal railing covers, and also the painted markings on the roads)
indeed, am rather cautious of getting injured especially my fragile right ankle. Also don't want new injuries since recovery at this age is alot more challenging.
re. family members, we also have to take into consideration how they feel. Least i can do is to minimize or avoid injuries, and not bring inconveniences and worries to them.
is your kid ok after the buang?
 

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Seriously, i have absolutely no idea, that top fella is like over 40. I came across 1 YT fella (few subscribers) age 61 doing 17.38 for 5k wtf.
I am still stuck in the anyhow hoot unstructured sessions totally based on volume lifestyle. 😅 When occasionally feel a bit of niggle /pain then dial back.
Also look at the smartwatch for reference, the training load. Just grind and do majority relac type but i do my hard sessions solid solid coz i very much enjoy the speed.

So far so good results satisfactory....... i mean as far as expectations managed can la. :grin:

ok gotta go basket 6am liao
over here where i often run, there is this retired ex-teacher in his 60s, every time i see him cruise at around under 5min/km pace. Only on his recovery runs, when i chance upon him, he will pace me and chitchat with me while i am trying not to pant 😂
 

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Saw Yi Jun Tey @ T100 yest also....... think i am bitten liao. Alas i cant swim for nuts. :ROFLMAO:
Yi Jun Tey is good though, this year 22 y.o. Each week trains about 27km run, 12.8km swim, 146km bike. About 8 - 13 hours/week of training excluding travelling/warm up/preparation time.

His run times are no joke, mostly because his fundamentals are strong. Ran the NTU 7km road run and won against other runners in NTU despite being triathlete and doing low-mileage running weeks.

Most people in triathlon grew up having competitive experience in at least one of the sports. For myself, I grew up doing competitive swimming as a kid (7-13). Secondary school, got my first exposure into biking since boys brigade had a competition where need to bike/run. Jc, joined cross country as a runner. By end of Jc, experienced all of them. Did my first open water swimming when a swimmer friend jio me go Sentosa swim during the Trump-Kim Summit in 2018. 😂

Competed in an aquathlon before and didn't really like it because I cramped switching from swim > run, despite winning it in the end (mini club competition). Also, triathlon requires a lot of time commitment (travel, preparation, etc.) in each of the 3 sports.

End of the day, just went with running. And do bike/swim cross train good enough liao. To keep my interest for running long-term, might be considering doing overseas races in future. But that's long time from now since I am more interested in running 5/10km.
 

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I thought runner need more carbohydrate than protein intake ?
I read through several of your posts and realise the answers to your questions depend on the goals you want to achieve.

Common goals can be
1) health
2) running performance which can be short or long distance

The recommendations differ depending on the goals.

Some caveats before recommendations. Muscle repair and growth is reduced in seniors.

1)running recovery for seniors depend more on
a)rest.
Active recovery in the form of light activity like walking/easy runs is helpful to clear inflammatory metabolites accumulated during exercise but for some older folks even zone 2 may be too much for the muscles.

B) adequate protein ( about 20-40gm/meal or 1.6gm/kg/d). Running is a catabolic exercise as such seniors need more protein to preserve muscle mass.

C) carb intake post workout ( to replenish glycogen) high GI carbs replenish glycogen faster and in general carb intake promote muscle recovery. But seniors with insulin resistance may need to be careful with this.
D) adequate caloric intake.
E) hydration
F) sleep
G) supplements like creatine phosphate promote recovery.
F) massage

For seniors who want to incorporate running for health

1) high intensity interval training with a relative longer period of training interval is helpful for promoting heart health. The Norwegian 4x4min interval done 3x/week in 2 years trial showed that participants in their 50s have their heart function improved to 30s level.

2) 80/20 (polarised training) seems to be over glorified in almost every fitness blog. Not everyone needs endurance training for health purpose. While a zone 2 training is good for peripheral muscle capillary development and some zone 4 for glycogen storage expansion and heart function, a pyramidal training ( zone 2 with zone 3) can provide many similar benefits too. Seniors prob can tolerate a zone 3 intensity better than 4.

3) and for health purpose and not for performance , a senior actually does not need to run too much. Rather the exercise days should be well distributed among
1) whole body resistance training since muscle loss is accelerated post 40. One should do 2-3 days of resistance training a week

2) cardio. It is actually better to have a variety of cardio like rowing, cycling, running, brisk walking to cross train the body. Should the senior choose running as the main form, then again 2-3 days of running alternated between long runs and short intense workout would be good to avoid overtraining. There is little need for recovery runs as we are not trying to squeeze the last bit of performance, as the rest of the days the senior is doing other exercises.

3) balance exercises. Seniors should devote 1 day doing stability exercises whether yoga, plates, taichi etc

I hope this helps, as health goals are different from performance goals.
 
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indeed, am rather cautious of getting injured especially my fragile right ankle. Also don't want new injuries since recovery at this age is alot more challenging.
re. family members, we also have to take into consideration how they feel. Least i can do is to minimize or avoid injuries, and not bring inconveniences and worries to them.
is your kid ok after the buang?

Yeah, my family members are even more kiasi and safety conscious than me actually.

All these very slow speed buangs are usually ok.
 

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Yi Jun Tey is good though, this year 22 y.o. Each week trains about 27km run, 12.8km swim, 146km bike. About 8 - 13 hours/week of training excluding travelling/warm up/preparation time.

His run times are no joke, mostly because his fundamentals are strong. Ran the NTU 7km road run and won against other runners in NTU despite being triathlete and doing low-mileage running weeks.

Most people in triathlon grew up having competitive experience in at least one of the sports. For myself, I grew up doing competitive swimming as a kid (7-13). Secondary school, got my first exposure into biking since boys brigade had a competition where need to bike/run. Jc, joined cross country as a runner. By end of Jc, experienced all of them. Did my first open water swimming when a swimmer friend jio me go Sentosa swim during the Trump-Kim Summit in 2018. 😂

Competed in an aquathlon before and didn't really like it because I cramped switching from swim > run, despite winning it in the end (mini club competition). Also, triathlon requires a lot of time commitment (travel, preparation, etc.) in each of the 3 sports.

End of the day, just went with running. And do bike/swim cross train good enough liao. To keep my interest for running long-term, might be considering doing overseas races in future. But that's long time from now since I am more interested in running 5/10km.

Oh interesting, his run vol is relatively low, in fact just a little higher than me. Actually mine cannot even be considered running :ROFLMAO: , ~ 21km Mon-Fri "runs" are all broken up into home-office-home-office commute sessions of around 1km each, though there is a short section of uphill of around 10 metres elevation during the office->home legs? That's about it. Then i try to do 1 week of 3.5 to 5km tempo/thresholdy run, keep the legs turning. Exclude the short strides/SITs.

His HM i once saw his vid was 1.22 i think, came in 3rd place, i think is was Sundown, coz he got caught up with OT and just rushed there after knocking off. :ROFLMAO:

But still young fellas can run / bike lah.


Yeah, you've said it.......the transitioning really no joke. For me after biking then do run, really barely could feel the legs. Mabok one. Really need to strength train i believe, and pace properly during bike.
If not cramp and all those nonsense. And then add in overheating etc.

Just came back from watching the T100 at MB just now, the amateurs......even after the morning rain just now, the heat was no joke. Could see a bit of steam rising from some of them when they took a respite at the aid stations during the run leg, i think they buay lun liao (after the bike)
Yesterday's heat index was like 34.3 and 58% RH = 42 deg C during pro women's start. Water temp = 30.9.
WTF. :ROFLMAO:
 
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