jogging and motivation thread

[Lchlch]

See if can get those Huawei GT 3 series or Runner under $200.... Only @WussRedXLi got the GT runner at a extremely good deal. For the quality of HR sensor and GPS sensor, under $200 this is unmatched for value for money.

Wow, nvr expect it is so expensive.

 

[xllms]

Personally using Polar H10. It's the gold standard for HR measurements for outdoor. Amazon SG can get cheaper than Coros and retail. But it's a chest strap, so it is not as comfortable as arm band one.
Arm band one, Polar's Verity Sense is also cheaper than Coros on Amazon SG.

thank you for the recommendation. Polar H10 is even more affordable than Coros HR arm strap here in China.

 

[xllms]

Does this Apple 7 broadcast HR reading? Coz if you can find a away to strap the Apple around your arm, it can make a very good arm band HR reader.

apple watch is not linked to my android phone and my earphone, so even if it broadcast, i probably won't be aware of it. Not sure if I understand the broadcast function correctly.

 

[Ender]

thank you for the recommendation. Polar H10 is even more affordable than Coros HR arm strap here in China.

Just a warning, chest strap is not comfortable hor.. There are people who buy liao, after a few months stop wearing. I was serious with my MAF training so eventually got used to it and still using it now except for long runs that exceed 2 hours, coz will scratch my skin, quite painful when bathing.

 

[xllms]

Back to the question, what is the purpose of getting into external HR? The one case that I feel that really an external HR is when you need instant HR reading. Wrist base are bad for it as it's response time is slower. The training that require instant HR reading is when you are doing HR based training like the MAF method. I got my chest strap because I dedicate one year to do purely MAF method. Where it is very strict that I do not exceed the ceiling HR at any time, therefore instant HR reading is requires. SO if you are doing zone 2 training also, strict adherence to the zone during workout requires instant HR, then the chest strap and arm band is needed.

But if just average HR for post analysis, like lap 10 where you enter some farlek you just like to know the average HR, or lap 2 to 4 you did a threshold and you just want to compare average HR to a previous similar workout, usually wrist base HR is good enough, coz after averaging out, the reading can be quite close to chest HR.

HR monitor for zone 2 training.

 

[xllms]

Just a warning, chest strap is not comfortable hor.. There are people who buy liao, after a few months stop wearing. I was serious with my MAF training so eventually got used to it and still using it now except for long runs that exceed 2 hours, coz will scratch my skin, quite painful when bathing.

thanks for the warning. will find out more before committing

 

[WussRedXLi]

HR monitor for zone 2 training.

Srsly, even for me and having interests in know "TT" full send timings, i have not scientifically "measured" things like LTHR. Only Max HR which is also in itself not scientifically proven to be MHR, it's just what i managed to measure as a peak number and i just that particular number. So my zone 2/tempo/LT1 LT2 also like maciam anyhow whack one.

But it is what it is, i accept that my trainings are not gonna be 100% fully optimised one. Im definitely not aiming to even come close to any national records, or any Masters records even, or Parkrun,
Anyway i am not even on any structured training plans regardless.......

But then again, there is this question of cardiac drift, heat soak and various HI temps, etc. So many variables that really need to account. So for a longer run heat soaked liao, you just guai guai follow Z2 but it might just be Z1. Bo bian, tropical country.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Maybe sph777 can try aqua jogging for the next 3 months........

If rest that kind of time, i think........ i dont know lah.......but personally i dont believe in totally off seasons. (posted 1 vid just yesterday, that one by Lewis)
But of coz that is if your lifestyle can tahan and not suffer any form of burnouts.

 

[Jeremy1]

I thought of getting a cheap watch that count uour steps etc n your distance..

Go for Garmin Forerunner Series.

Depending on your budget.

The higher model give you more data and battery life like for my 965, my battery life can last me easily 20 days for 1 full charge and also this watch had a lot of data which helped on your running.

Price about $759 from online.

 

[Jeremy1]

Just a warning, chest strap is not comfortable hor.. There are people who buy liao, after a few months stop wearing. I was serious with my MAF training so eventually got used to it and still using it now except for long runs that exceed 2 hours, coz will scratch my skin, quite painful when bathing.

Actually I was thinking of getting the Garmin HRM Dual.

It's supposed to give you a more accurate Heart Rate Reading but then the salesman at Garmin told me my 965 on wrist is good enough.

 

[Ender]

Maybe sph777 can try aqua jogging for the next 3 months........

If rest that kind of time, i think........ i dont know lah.......but personally i dont believe in totally off seasons. (posted 1 vid just yesterday, that one by Lewis)
But of coz that is if your lifestyle can tahan and not suffer any form of burnouts.

Think you misunderstood when we talk about off season. Off season is when there no race coming up so you are not in 12- 17 weeks mesocycle training plan for FM. That when you are free to explore other form of base building. FOr some it would be to going in MAF training, some just stick to 80/20 with low training loads. Basically free and easy. Usually off season, won't do anything to risk overburning. For me, I would add easy runs to other housing estate to explore new kopi tiam and hawker centre.

Off season is not total rest.

 

[Lchlch]

Go for Garmin Forerunner Series.

Depending on your budget.

The higher model give you more data and battery life like for my 965, my battery life can last me easily 20 days for 1 full charge and also this watch had a lot of data which helped on your running.

Price about $759 from online.

Bro....way way out of my budget.

 

[Jeremy1]

Maybe sph777 can try aqua jogging for the next 3 months........

If rest that kind of time, i think........ i dont know lah.......but personally i dont believe in totally off seasons. (posted 1 vid just yesterday, that one by Lewis)
But of coz that is if your lifestyle can tahan and not suffer any form of burnouts.

My mentor told me it takes him 1 year of running to be able stay in Zone 2

 

[Kuudere]

Back to the question, what is the purpose of getting into external HR? The one case that I feel that really an external HR is when you need instant HR reading. Wrist base are bad for it as it's response time is slower. The training that require instant HR reading is when you are doing HR based training like the MAF method. I got my chest strap because I dedicate one year to do purely MAF method. Where it is very strict that I do not exceed the ceiling HR at any time, therefore instant HR reading is requires. SO if you are doing zone 2 training also, strict adherence to the zone during workout requires instant HR, then the chest strap and arm band is needed.

But if just average HR for post analysis, like lap 10 where you enter some farlek you just like to know the average HR, or lap 2 to 4 you did a threshold and you just want to compare average HR to a previous similar workout, usually wrist base HR is good enough, coz after averaging out, the reading can be quite close to chest HR.

I prefer avg. HR, since HR can change depending on terrain, body condition, weather, etc. With avg. HR also don't need to keep monitoring, making the run feel more natural. Run by feel and slow down when necessary.

Check avg. HR during junctions or midway into the run.

tried a fast sprint at around 3min/km pace today but can only last 100-200m...super shagged. Need to do more to get used to it.

I don't seem to be able to run with mid or fore foot strike technique for low HR eg. 140 and below on coros. Switch to rear foot strike will be easier, but as the run prolongs, right knee will have discomfort.

Better off running a high 4 min/km last km which would help your long distance running a lot more. Unless you were doing strides after the run (after you take a short break), then that pace is good since it trains your stride extension. Other than that, I seldom go 3 min/km even for my pace. I do strides after easy runs after taking a break. Able to run 2.50 min/km for the 100m x 6. But this is never really done in my threshold/long runs since an extended surge (1-2km) cuts time more than short bursting (100-200m).

If you wear carbon-plate shoes, it will naturally make you run faster since it promotes a forefoot gait. That's why I prefer to run slow in trainers. Apart from this, it takes practice to run slow (though not as hard as run fast). Just reduce your stride length and cadence, can try practising this by doing slow jogs at home. Don't alter foot strike to rear since it causes higher risk of injury. You'll eventually get the hang of it.

Kuudere, this one your friend boh? From FFRC.
But first and foremost i think he is more into triathlons.

Works in sports as well.......so interest and work same.
Aaron same as me, IT kia. (think he cybersec one)
Hope he can make some correct decisions so that he can retire in his 30s, i think prob early 30s.

Haha don't really know everyone from FFRC. It's a big club and the ppl there change every week. Even for group 1 where it's a small handful of 9-10 fast, dedicated runners. I've seen the group changed entirely the following month when I went back, replaced by another 9-10 fast, dedicated runners that I didn't see in the previous sessions.

Yes, I posted the video earlier from him. He is a national triathlete. And usually it's very good for a national triathlete to run 1.19-1.20. National runner around 1.12-1.13. Go overseas, can easily run sub 1.10 for their HM.

Aaron, would've believe his retirement plan if he isn't gunning for relationship (he expect his future partner to zhun zhun split half for a 4-room bto) and overseas travel experiences, since the cost of both relationship and overseas travel experiences is heavily underestimated in his cost analysis. Just treat his retirement plan as csb and watch for the laughs

 

[WussRedXLi]

What the sheet.... now 251 for Huawei GT3SE. It was low 200s when off discount and 190s during discount last time.


https://shopee.sg/HUAWEI-WATCH-GT-3...6d&xptdk=6b13c3ae-b6da-421a-b79c-aebdf4b6686d

 

[WussRedXLi]

My mentor told me it takes him 1 year of running to be able stay in Zone 2

For me i have always walked around for my jobs last time and relatively skinny though i believe bordering on skinny fat (skinny low BMI, but have a relatively high % of fats). Then started during early 2020 with walking nearly daily. Late 2022 started running. By early 2023 i tested, Z2 then was low 5 mins.

 

[winningeleven]

Go for Garmin Forerunner Series.

Depending on your budget.

The higher model give you more data and battery life like for my 965, my battery life can last me easily 20 days for 1 full charge and also this watch had a lot of data which helped on your running.

Price about $759 from online.

I am using garmin 965 also. Before that I used huawei gt 2e.

Generally I am quite ok with this garmin in term of tracking of my run. But however the performance of the usage are not as good as my old huawei 2e. Not so sure whether u encountered this same problem.

If I fall asleep on my chair during my workplace. My HW is able to detect as a "Nap". My 965 can't...

During my long distance driving n NZ. My garmin 965 send reminder to ask me to "move" whereas my HW is able to know that I am driving and no reminder is send and when I sit too long in my workplace. My HW will alarm me to move..

Overall for a expensive watch that cost 750 plus. It actually couldn't beat a cheapo HW smartwatch in some of the accuracy

 

[Jeremy1]

For me i have always walked around for my jobs last time and relatively skinny though i believe bordering on skinny fat (skinny low BMI, but have a relatively high % of fats). Then started during early 2020 with walking nearly daily. Late 2022 started running. By early 2023 i tested, Z2 then was low 5 mins.

For me just started running this year at age 57 so most probably will only hit zone 2 if I walked

 

[Jeremy1]

I am using garmin 965 also. Before that I used huawei gt 2e.

Generally I am quite ok with this garmin in term of tracking of my run. But however the performance of the usage are not as good as my old huawei 2e. Not so sure whether u encountered this same problem.

If I fall asleep on my chair during my workplace. My HW is able to detect as a "Nap". My 965 can't...

During my long distance driving n NZ. My garmin 965 send reminder to ask me to "move" whereas my HW is able to know that I am driving and no reminder is send and when I sit too long in my workplace. My HW will alarm me to move..

Overall for a expensive watch that cost 750 plus. It actually couldn't beat a cheapo HW smartwatch in some of the accuracy

Do you wear your watch while sleeping ?

 

[winningeleven]

Do you wear your watch while sleeping ?

Yes. Sometime.
My garmin track my RHR is 43 to 45.
My huawei track my RHR is 48..never go below 45

When used for my running . Both track my HR equally the same.