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Managed to train till able to do tightrope heel to toe walk with eyes closed, was not really possible last night like walked like a DUI drunk driver like that, but tonight trained my propioception until possible liao.
Surprisingly, this is still trainable and at such a significant rate of improvement.


But with eyes opened and looking at 4 corners (challenges the vestibular balancing) i still cannot after a few steps. This one is effing difficult. I asked my kid and he could, but only after the 3rd attempt then can he walk like a dozen steps. This is not an easy dynamic balancing test.


For the "not so valid" single leg eyes closed static balancing test, folks after age 50 also majority would fail. This one relatively easy to train. Now i can do minutes also no issue.


I think that "I Am Longevity" 61 year old fella shd be able to pass all these with flying colours.


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I work in a massive office and asked colleagues to try. The younger ones, mostly in their thirties never struggled and were gobsmacked at how us older ones really struggled and mostly failed



Thanks for sharing the new single leg balance test. Not bad, I can do it with abit wobble initially.

Need to squeeze core hard to stabilize.

Same for the tightrope walk. Just tried again. Need to squeeze core even harder. Seems like looking 4 corners is harder than closed eyes.

Must be very focused while squeezing. Even breathing is tight.

Will add this exercise to my core routine. Appreciate your sharing as always. 🙏
 

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Holding off to buy. Buy too soon, midsole will age by the time I race in it in December. Sometimes think I may have to buy it the off sales season to get it in October. just nice to do one long run and a few of mid distance daily runs to get the feet acclimatize.
Wah so fast decided on shoe for SCSM already haha
 

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That time got 1 fast guy in this range also, Lui Yan Chow. Where is he now, not sure...... not much info
Cannot compare Lui Yuan Chow and Sommer, since Lui Yuan Chow is based in Australia and races regularly with fast ppl. Meanwhile, Sommer is just dominating her age range category + already competitive in Singapore elite level at 14.

After covid, he probably didn't run liao: https://www.sportsplits.com/races/melbourne-marathon-2023/events/3/results/individuals/43804

This is his 10k time in 2023 lol
 

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See how many chair squat reps in 30 seconds you can get.

I got 36, can literally speed run it. 🤣 Need a bit of neuro and coordination, can try it out for 2 times with 10 seconds just to try. i got used to it on my 3rd attempt and got 36.

But i believe cyclists esp with cadence drills and strength training be it on bike or exercise work might be able to do very well in this, 30 seconds is also sort of a power based exercise. Or sprints on the bike etc.

F60-64, no less than 12, preferably above 14. Above 14, no change needed. 12-14, just need a bit of training.
M60-64, no less than 14 preferably above 19. Above 19, no change needed. 14-19, just need a bit of training.

If less than that, recommended not to ignore, time for real intervention action.

The PT touched on neuromusular health on this as well. Seems like not a solely strength test.


Damn I fail. Only 17.

Strength wise should be fine. Think I'm lacking on coordination and explosiveness if wanna speed up.

When seated, seems like automatically want to sit for almost 2secs. 😲

Edit: improved to 19 so is trainable. Still fail for now!
 
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My aerobic pace now, HR max out around low 160s range, so this is my upper aerobic limit right now.
 

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Damn I fail. Only 17.

Strength wise should be fine. Think I'm lacking on coordination and explosiveness if wanna speed up.

When seated, seems like automatically want to sit for almost 2secs. 😲

Edit: improved to 19 so is trainable. Still fail for now!

Yes it is trainiable, any pause while on the chair even for 0.5s is too long already, you can practise and try again to get the tricks in really locking in and doing it fast.

I retried it with "good form", as in really sitting down (no bouncing) and standing up relatively straight, i got 24.
So basically what i managed to get is 24 reps and 36 reps, decent form that can pass the test with PTs and just pure spam to really challenge neuromuscular aspect.


Dont worry about bouncing off the chair as long as you can touch it, or not standing straight......your lumbar needs to be relatively straight, as usual for deadlifts/squats, but the pelvis can hinge.
Get this number first for starters. Then you'd have one baseline number.

Of coz, if you want to satisfy what is said in the videos and get the "perfect form" which you can firmly seat before getting up and include a straight body standup, then fine get that baseline number as well.

And after a few tries, you'd have your time trial PB. heh.......

Then go train your squats/deadlfifts/cadence drills/sprints whatever..... explosive intent for concentric. The same goes for upper body eg pull ups dips, even if just for 1-3 reps, it can really add up over the years esp if we are training from age 40+.
 

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Damn I fail. Only 17.

Strength wise should be fine. Think I'm lacking on coordination and explosiveness if wanna speed up.

When seated, seems like automatically want to sit for almost 2secs. 😲

Edit: improved to 19 so is trainable. Still fail for now!

Bro, please use Creatine as well if not using. Even if cannot tahan 10g/day (for cognitive effects), 7-8g for 2 to 3 doses also good.

Other than brute strength for normal day to day functions like "slow" walking or moving up from the chair, to more dynamic situations requiring faster actions like preventing falls while turning...... this one and the tightrope dynamic balance test (both eyes closed and eyes open but looking at 4 corners) i think got links to brain health as well.


Yes, performing well on the 30-second sit-to-stand (30STS) test is associated with a lower risk of dementia and better overall cognitive health in older adults. This simple test measures lower-body strength and balance, both of which are closely linked to brain function.
ScienceDirect.com +3

Yes, strong performance on dynamic balance tests—such as the tandem gait test (often colloquially referred to as a "tightrope walking" test)—is a significant indicator of lower dementia risk and better cognitive health. Because balance requires the integration of multiple complex brain networks, it is considered a sensitive marker of overall brain integrity.
Wiley +3
 

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Cannot compare Lui Yuan Chow and Sommer, since Lui Yuan Chow is based in Australia and races regularly with fast ppl. Meanwhile, Sommer is just dominating her age range category + already competitive in Singapore elite level at 14.

After covid, he probably didn't run liao: https://www.sportsplits.com/races/melbourne-marathon-2023/events/3/results/individuals/43804

This is his 10k time in 2023 lol

2023 10k i think fun run with GF lah. 🤣

But actually, i am wondering if it is really possible to really drop from 31 min level to 58 min level (ie 6:00 pace) in just 4 years even if one totally stops running. That time was COVID, so i guess the story isnt going to be radically different from quite a number of the stories here which some have shared.

Melbourne Marathon (2019) | ASICS 10KM RUN#4150572700:31:21
Melbourne Marathon (2023) | SriLankan Airlines 10km#438042266156154300:58:30
 

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Damn I fail. Only 17.

Strength wise should be fine. Think I'm lacking on coordination and explosiveness if wanna speed up.

When seated, seems like automatically want to sit for almost 2secs. 😲

Edit: improved to 19 so is trainable. Still fail for now!

WHAT THE.....
I think the controversial uncle heard our conversation..... :oops:

Yeah, zhun lah......POWER (strength times velocity), not STRENGTH

Vid posted 8 mins ago

edit - wow, even got scientific study regarding fall tests in young vs old. In the old group, the ground already let the elderly person kiss coz of this neuromuscular delay (they measured many aspects) while the young still could manage. :oops:


 
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2023 10k i think fun run with GF lah. 🤣

But actually, i am wondering if it is really possible to really drop from 31 min level to 58 min level (ie 6:00 pace) in just 4 years even if one totally stops running. That time was COVID, so i guess the story isnt going to be radically different from quite a number of the stories here which some have shared.

Melbourne Marathon (2019) | ASICS 10KM RUN#4150572700:31:21
Melbourne Marathon (2023) | SriLankan Airlines 10km#438042266156154300:58:30

What the........ :oops:


Yes, it is entirely possible to drop from a 31-minute 10k to a 58-minute 10k over a 4-year period due to a significant loss of cardiovascular fitness, particularly if that period includes complete or near-total cessation of training.
A 31-minute 10k (roughly 3:06/km or 5:00/mile pace) indicates an elite or near-elite aerobic capacity. A 58-minute 10k (5:48/km or 9:20/mile pace) is close to the average, recreational runner pace.
Here is why such a massive decline can happen over 4 years:

The Science of Detraining
  • Rapid Initial Loss: Cardiovascular fitness begins to decrease after just 7–14 days of inactivity.
  • Significant Declines in 2+ Months: After two months of total inactivity, VO₂ max (maximum oxygen uptake) can drop by 20–30%.
  • Four-Year Impact: While the most dramatic losses happen within the first 6-12 weeks, 4 years of inactivity allows for a full, long-term reversal of training-induced adaptations. The heart reduces its stroke volume, blood plasma volume decreases, and mitochondrial density in the muscles shrinks, reducing the ability to utilize oxygen efficiently.
    Runners Connect +2

Why 31-min to 58-min is Possible
  1. Metabolic Changes: The body stops being efficient at producing energy, leading to a much lower lactate threshold.
  2. Muscle Changes: The muscles lose oxidative capacity and experience decreased mitochondrial density.
  3. Weight Gain: Often accompanying4 years of inactivity is an increase in body fat and decrease in muscle mass, both of which severely affect running economy.
  4. Age Factors: If this 4-year period happens later in life (e.g., in the 40s or 50s), the loss of muscle mass (sarcopenia) and the natural 6–9% per decade decline in 10k performance compound the fitness loss.
    Firstbeat +4

Key Considerations
  • Reversibility: While 4 years is a long time, the cardiovascular system is highly adaptive. While it might take a long time to return to 31-minute shape, much of the fitness can be regained, often quicker than it was initially built, due to "muscle memory".
  • "Use it or Lose it": The immense drop in performance highlights the principle that high-level fitness is highly reversible if the stimulus (rigorous training) is removed.
    TrainingPeaks +2
In summary, dropping from 31 to 58 minutes in 10k is a realistic outcome of a sedentary lifestyle lasting four years.
 

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What the........ :oops:


Yes, it is entirely possible to drop from a 31-minute 10k to a 58-minute 10k over a 4-year period due to a significant loss of cardiovascular fitness, particularly if that period includes complete or near-total cessation of training.
A 31-minute 10k (roughly 3:06/km or 5:00/mile pace) indicates an elite or near-elite aerobic capacity. A 58-minute 10k (5:48/km or 9:20/mile pace) is close to the average, recreational runner pace.
Here is why such a massive decline can happen over 4 years:

The Science of Detraining
  • Rapid Initial Loss: Cardiovascular fitness begins to decrease after just 7–14 days of inactivity.
  • Significant Declines in 2+ Months: After two months of total inactivity, VO₂ max (maximum oxygen uptake) can drop by 20–30%.
  • Four-Year Impact: While the most dramatic losses happen within the first 6-12 weeks, 4 years of inactivity allows for a full, long-term reversal of training-induced adaptations. The heart reduces its stroke volume, blood plasma volume decreases, and mitochondrial density in the muscles shrinks, reducing the ability to utilize oxygen efficiently.
    Runners Connect +2

Why 31-min to 58-min is Possible
  1. Metabolic Changes: The body stops being efficient at producing energy, leading to a much lower lactate threshold.
  2. Muscle Changes: The muscles lose oxidative capacity and experience decreased mitochondrial density.
  3. Weight Gain: Often accompanying4 years of inactivity is an increase in body fat and decrease in muscle mass, both of which severely affect running economy.
  4. Age Factors: If this 4-year period happens later in life (e.g., in the 40s or 50s), the loss of muscle mass (sarcopenia) and the natural 6–9% per decade decline in 10k performance compound the fitness loss.
    Firstbeat +4

Key Considerations
  • Reversibility: While 4 years is a long time, the cardiovascular system is highly adaptive. While it might take a long time to return to 31-minute shape, much of the fitness can be regained, often quicker than it was initially built, due to "muscle memory".
  • "Use it or Lose it": The immense drop in performance highlights the principle that high-level fitness is highly reversible if the stimulus (rigorous training) is removed.
    TrainingPeaks +2
In summary, dropping from 31 to 58 minutes in 10k is a realistic outcome of a sedentary lifestyle lasting four years.
Just look at those sub 10 or even 9 minutes, 2.4km NSF, who later ORD. How many of those who became sedentary, and later suddenly barely pass IPPT in the couple of years? Anecdotally, should have a good number of stories.
 
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What the........ :oops:


Yes, it is entirely possible to drop from a 31-minute 10k to a 58-minute 10k over a 4-year period due to a significant loss of cardiovascular fitness, particularly if that period includes complete or near-total cessation of training.
A 31-minute 10k (roughly 3:06/km or 5:00/mile pace) indicates an elite or near-elite aerobic capacity. A 58-minute 10k (5:48/km or 9:20/mile pace) is close to the average, recreational runner pace.
Here is why such a massive decline can happen over 4 years:

The Science of Detraining
  • Rapid Initial Loss: Cardiovascular fitness begins to decrease after just 7–14 days of inactivity.
  • Significant Declines in 2+ Months: After two months of total inactivity, VO₂ max (maximum oxygen uptake) can drop by 20–30%.
  • Four-Year Impact: While the most dramatic losses happen within the first 6-12 weeks, 4 years of inactivity allows for a full, long-term reversal of training-induced adaptations. The heart reduces its stroke volume, blood plasma volume decreases, and mitochondrial density in the muscles shrinks, reducing the ability to utilize oxygen efficiently.
    Runners Connect +2

Why 31-min to 58-min is Possible
  1. Metabolic Changes: The body stops being efficient at producing energy, leading to a much lower lactate threshold.
  2. Muscle Changes: The muscles lose oxidative capacity and experience decreased mitochondrial density.
  3. Weight Gain: Often accompanying4 years of inactivity is an increase in body fat and decrease in muscle mass, both of which severely affect running economy.
  4. Age Factors: If this 4-year period happens later in life (e.g., in the 40s or 50s), the loss of muscle mass (sarcopenia) and the natural 6–9% per decade decline in 10k performance compound the fitness loss.
    Firstbeat +4

Key Considerations
  • Reversibility: While 4 years is a long time, the cardiovascular system is highly adaptive. While it might take a long time to return to 31-minute shape, much of the fitness can be regained, often quicker than it was initially built, due to "muscle memory".
  • "Use it or Lose it": The immense drop in performance highlights the principle that high-level fitness is highly reversible if the stimulus (rigorous training) is removed.
    TrainingPeaks +2
In summary, dropping from 31 to 58 minutes in 10k is a realistic outcome of a sedentary lifestyle lasting four years.
Just look at those sub 10 or even 9 minutes, 2.4km minutes NSF, who later ORD. How many of those who became sedentary, and later suddenly barely pass IPPT in the couple of years. Anecdotally, should have a good number of stories.
I think is the case where the person don't even exercise at all until fitness drop by so much
 

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Just look at those sub 10 or even 9 minutes, 2.4km NSF, who later ORD. How many of those who became sedentary, and later suddenly barely pass IPPT in the couple of years? Anecdotally, should have a good number of stories.

Well that's true....by that measure once people start working and there is no focus on exercise/training which is very common coz they are still young, it easily plummets.

And then for us also we have COVID era which is basically 2-3 years. this thread started 1st Jan 23 and i remember there was another fitness/running thread before that in 2022, i remember there were quite a few posting all sorts of issues, i cant remember the exact details but something like starting running again.......wah lao why my heart rate became so fast etc etc, something like that.

I wasnt training then in 2020 but i remember starting again after P1 circuit breaker ended. But @sph777 not sure if you can remember, the fitness corner was tapped up even iirc Dec 2020 period. heh....... P2 started in June 2020 i think but seriously nobody exercised in any normal way then......
Think the gym rats even did do up serious home gyms etc.
 
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Not sure when was this taken, but video was 16th Jan (Sat).

Really not many people, but so many foldies. :oops:






Dec 2020, the amount of bicycles......scary




Right after P1 **

 
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2023 10k i think fun run with GF lah. 🤣

But actually, i am wondering if it is really possible to really drop from 31 min level to 58 min level (ie 6:00 pace) in just 4 years even if one totally stops running. That time was COVID, so i guess the story isnt going to be radically different from quite a number of the stories here which some have shared.

Melbourne Marathon (2019) | ASICS 10KM RUN#4150572700:31:21
Melbourne Marathon (2023) | SriLankan Airlines 10km#438042266156154300:58:30

I know some who dropped from 38 min level to 58+ min level within 2 years of ORD, but 2.4km nia

(x min level based on 10km)
 
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Taobao really gotta start doing the same vegetable bird direct ship to EU and US countries.......but the problem is that European/US folks got this wierd mentality and expectations towards chinese customer service but they never consider the cheap prices they are paying. As in, "you get what you paid for".

For us, if something goes wrong, we'd just stfu and mostly open mouth to swallow and move on, at most is %!@#@# a few days and then 1 week later begin to buy buy buy again. 🤣
Or alww the seller and get parital refund ba.

 
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