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[xdivider]

have power up from 梁子翁耗费二十年光阴，以各类珍奇药材饲养的大蝮蛇被郭靖吸尽了血。

that one is antipoison mostly, no reference to how many yrs energy converted..........

 

[Krabs.]

if not for yangguo play cheat use illusion , and his weakness of his desire for guoxiang , goldenwheel would have killed yangguo

 

[mata_hippo]

that one is antipoison mostly, no reference to how many yrs energy converted..........

功力大增 was used to describe the effect besides the anti poison...

 

[過路稻草人™]

that one is antipoison mostly, no reference to how many yrs energy converted..........

静坐修功之后，便可养颜益寿，大增功力。

Just need to refer to 郭靖 after he slurp up the python blood , and he met 楊康 in the hallway and he could easily repel 楊康 錐心掌。。 and 郭靖 himself said, 原來這蛇還有這等功效。

 

[tewem]

no wonder XLN so powerful can 1 vs all

Who is XLN?

 

[xdivider]

功力大增 was used to describe the effect besides the anti poison...

actually is liang zi wong assume. from wat i read his improvement came mostly from better conversion of his good internal base due to using 18 palms than the 7 guai's skills.....

easy way to see is

1) at the point b4 biting the snake he is no match for liang
2) after biting he is still no match for whoever he cant beat. at that point the mark is very low.
3) he only beat liang after learning first 18palm..........

 

[BiomedicalPasta]

so many pro in jinyong novel. did you all put in similar effort into studying.

 

[過路稻草人™]

Who is XLN?

XLN　＝　小龍女

 

[xdivider]

Who is XLN?

little dragon girl.......

 

[過路稻草人™]

actually is liang zi wong assume. from wat i read his improvement came mostly from better conversion of his good internal base due to using 18 palms than the 7 guai's skills.....

easy way to see is

1) at the point b4 biting the snake he is no match for liang
2) after biting he is still no match for whoever he cant beat. at that point the mark is very low.
3) he only beat liang after learning first 18palm..........

because he have not 導引奇效， it was one fight after another.

 

[xdivider]

静坐修功之后，便可养颜益寿，大增功力。

Just need to refer to 郭靖 after he slurp up the python blood , and he met 楊康 in the hallway and he could easily repel 楊康 錐心掌。。 and 郭靖 himself said, 原來這蛇還有這等功效。

this is tv series or novel? i normally take novel as canon although i haven read new edition yet....

 

[I_am_bored]

should be fawang.......

Fawang..jury still out. When he fought The greats; it wasn't very obvious he's better. Not like at end of 射雕, the sot sot ouyang feng was clear winner.

Personal opinion aft reading the latest revised versions la; jinyong didn't want to say who's better. All ard the same..ZBT slightly better. But if really want to have clear winner; it will jus end up like Ouyang vs Qigong.

 

[xdivider]

because he have not 導引奇效， it was one fight after another.

but even if it did increase his dmg, its pretty mild, he already surpass yang kang in terms of internal strength. his diff from pple like liang or oyk is probably ard 30 yrs. Real dramatic effect would be like the ones yg gotten, 60 yrs of internal energy minimum.....

 

[過路稻草人™]

so many pro in jinyong novel. did you all put in similar effort into studying.

先生教誨如同當頭棒喝啊！

悔不當初不學無術，至今落得一無是處。

 

[過路稻草人™]

this is tv series or novel? i normally take novel as canon although i haven read new edition yet....

the 3rd edition, not so in the original edition in 1957

 

[BiomedicalPasta]

So many experts here. Do you all put in the same effort in your studies?

 

[過路稻草人™]

Fawang..jury still out. When he fought The greats; it wasn't very obvious he's better. Not like at end of 射雕, the sot sot ouyang feng was clear winner.

Personal opinion aft reading the latest revised versions la; jinyong didn't want to say who's better. All ard the same..ZBT slightly better. But if really want to have clear winner; it will jus end up like Ouyang vs Qigong.

agree in a situation where it is not clear cut. 敗其者亦傷其身。

 

[xdivider]

So many experts here. Do you all put in the same effort in your studies?

my chinese improved from C to A after i spend oodles of time reading, that count? this should really be literacy textbook for sec school.......

 

[tewem]

So many experts here. Do you all put in the same effort in your studies?

Last time in secondary school, one of my classmates after reading all the jinyong novels, his 'O' level Chinese got A1, but other subjects not so good though.

I borrowed his 射雕 novel to read, "O" level improved to B3, prelim is C5 though.

 

[sizzy6]

按照高手品级，扫地僧是超品，萧峰鸠摩智等人是一品，枯荣是二品，段延庆保定皇帝是三品，丁春秋慕容复是四品。

丁春秋背后下手，摆平了无崖子。

萧峰全力一掌，扫地僧硬抗没事。

就算考虑丁春秋下手更狠，更有针对性，可无崖子的战力也远远达不到扫地僧是水准。

而虚竹集合无崖子、李秋水和童姥三人的内力（就算童姥和李秋水内力打折扣，至少也相当于两个无崖子），才能硬抗鸠摩智的少林七十二绝技。虽然鸠摩智和萧峰的功力相当，但是拳脚威力却肯定不如降龙，而且还是打在四肢上，没有击中心腹要害。

所以，无崖子顶多只有无名老僧一半的功力。

至于风清扬，需要用独孤求败来做媒介比较。

我认为，杨过的武功和萧峰同级。

而独孤求败的武功有五大境界，按《神雕》剑冢里的说法，是利剑境，快剑境，重剑境，木剑境和无剑境。风清扬明显一直是第一层利剑境的功夫，而杨过是第三层重剑境，就算杨过没有强过风清扬，也不会弱了。
那么，风清扬<杨过=萧峰<扫地僧，证明风清扬不如扫地僧。

一般来说，金庸所有小说里的顶尖高手，都会卡在一个阶层，也就是萧峰、萧远山、慕容博、 张三丰、鸠摩智、张无忌、杨过、等等人物的阶层，虽然小有差距，但是谁也不敢说能打死谁。

而能超过这道坎的，只有三个半人。

扫地僧、段誉、虚竹，以及无法比较的石破天。

扫地僧两掌拍死萧远山和慕容博，尽管有出其不意的因素，但是对比黄药师、一灯和老顽童三人围殴金轮法王的情形就知道，真想拍死一个这样的高手有多难，杨过开了作弊器，黯然销魂暴扁金轮，让他跌下数十丈的高塔，又被软猬甲攒刺，最后还是靠火烧才杀了他。由此可知，他完全和萧峰等人不是一个层次。

而段誉和虚竹两人，只能说有潜力，毕竟他们的内力都有萧峰的两倍以上，学的又是比降龙十八掌只强不弱的招数心法，假以时日，应该可以胜过萧峰，但是要强过扫地僧，只有等对方老死。

石破天的问题主要是没有比较，唯一大成之后的出手记录是和龙、木二岛主对拼，靠掌风余波毁了石壁，看上去很厉害。但虽然萧峰也曾在雁门关外劈石壁数十掌，令自己双掌受伤，但是石头和石头不同，侠客岛的石壁未必是关外的玄武岩，而且刻了那么多字，强度值得存疑。因此，石破天只能算半个。

至于没出场的人物里，可能超过扫地僧的，有四个半：独孤求败，达摩，葵花老祖（葵花宝典作者），逍遥祖师，黄裳。

独孤求败不说了，晚年无剑胜有剑，究竟多强，全是后人猜测。

达摩虽然不是七十二大绝技的作者，但是如果有易筋经和洗髓经在身，强过段誉等人也是必然，不过究竟多强，不好说。

葵花宝典分气剑二册，由于不全，气卷的威力一直没显露出来，毕竟剑招残缺了还能用，内功残缺了会死人的，所以如果考虑其全本内功和剑法不相上下的话，作为作者，虚构出来的葵花老祖可能有萧峰等级的内功，以及十倍于他的速度，想一下小龙女，单靠玉女素心剑合用的速度，就从李莫愁的级别跃升到了金轮法王的级别，可见速度的影响有多大了。

而逍遥祖师，有没有这人很难说，只不过大家认为，如果那些逍遥派的武功，大部分是一个人创造的话，那这个人必定非常可怕。

最后是黄裳，如果只凭九阴真经，他也就是逍遥子，张三丰级别的，但是有人认为，九阳神功其实也是他创造的，理由1.九阴和九阳的名字太配对了，很难不让人怀疑这是一个作者写的上下集，而且看张无忌用九阳化去周芷若的九阴内力，可以看出两者有先天的关系。理由2.《倚天》前面，张三丰修炼九阳残本的时候，曾经觉察到作者的汉语功力深厚，文字类似道家，可能不是达摩的著作，而是后人托名而做，而黄裳正好是一个道家文学大师。理由3.《九阳》是写在梵文经卷里的，说明作者至少能读懂梵文。而黄裳能够把九阴真经的总纲翻译成梵文，说明他的梵文造诣也很深。综上所述，《九阳》很可能是黄裳写完九阴之后，出家少林，晚年又有感悟，而创作的。如果有九阳九阴合一的效果，那么他强过张三丰等人也是必然。不过这是推测，所以只能算半个人。