NOKIA LUMIA 1020

[kopi22]

Q4, it is Sep13, I am sold. If it later, then either Note or Xperia Z Ultra shall get my subscription plan.

I'm eager to see Sony Honami too. Although is a 20MP, but Sony is pretty well known for their camera mobile phones too. It will be clash of the titans.

 

[E_T]

I used to be in Sony camp but everytime Sony come out with a wonderful camera in the phone, Nokia always beat them in actual quality. Too bad Nokia was Symbian & I'm on WinMo.

Same situation here. Sony still use a small sensor while Lumia 1020 sensor is half the length of a Micro 4/3. In fact, IIRC, I think Honami pixel size is smaller than Lumia 1020.

 

[ahtea]

I used to be in Sony camp but everytime Sony come out with a wonderful camera in the phone, Nokia always beat them in actual quality. Too bad Nokia was Symbian & I'm on WinMo.

Same situation here. Sony still use a small sensor while Lumia 1020 sensor is half the length of a Micro 4/3. In fact, IIRC, I think Honami pixel size is smaller than Lumia 1020.

I might be wrong, while recognising the fact that the sensor of the L1020 is twice as large as the Sony, the Sony has half the MP count.

So technically, sensor size to MP density is the same, thus, they should provide similar quality of photos.

 

[kekacofmmhkfoll]

I used to be in Sony camp but everytime Sony come out with a wonderful camera in the phone, Nokia always beat them in actual quality. Too bad Nokia was Symbian & I'm on WinMo.

Same situation here. Sony still use a small sensor while Lumia 1020 sensor is half the length of a Micro 4/3. In fact, IIRC, I think Honami pixel size is smaller than Lumia 1020.

Yes.. The Xperia Z's picture quality is not even that of 920. Even in clear daylight, there's problems focusing.
13 Megapixel on that device doesn't really matter, really... although the smart exploitation of MP on the 1020/808 is really a breakthrough

 

[SINple]

Yes.. The Xperia Z's picture quality is not even that of 920. Even in clear daylight, there's problems focusing.
13 Megapixel on that device doesn't really matter, really... although the smart exploitation of MP on the 1020/808 is really a breakthrough

I not sure, but xperia S takes nice daylight photo. But any other condition sucks. I think lumia has it the other way.

 

[E_T]

I might be wrong, while recognising the fact that the sensor of the L1020 is twice as large as the Sony, the Sony has half the MP count.

So technically, sensor size to MP density is the same, thus, they should provide similar quality of photos.

According to latest rumor, the Sony sensor is roughly 85.6mm² while the Lumia 1020 sensor is roughly 217.2mm². In terms of area, the Lumia has about 254% more area to capture light. This means that per pixel, the Lumia 1020 has a 24% bigger area than Sony's sensor.

Base on this + the bigger optics, the L1020 should have a better picture & it will be noticeable. Plus with the OIS & Mechanical shutter, this is as close as you can get to a DSLR on a mobile platform. Having a mechanical shutter means that the Lumia 1020 is of the non interline type (no extra circuit to store electrical charge after light is captured.)

In addition, it is BSI, so the Lumia 1020 sensor can be made smaller & thinner than the PV808 sensor without sacrificing sensitivity (in theory).

However, at the end of the day, small sensors always have quantum interference issues in that the photon can randomly fall on 2 to 3 adjacent pixels & create noise. Micro-lens reduce this by a lot but not 100% which is why small sensors these days are so much better than 5 years ago.

Lastly some forums are debating the reason, oversampled Lumia 1020 5mpix pictures have more noise than PV808's & this may be because, without the dedicated IC doing the scaling, Nokia may be forced to use a less CPU intensive algorithm that the Snapdragon S4 can handle, like Weighted Average, rather than Bilinear Interpolation or the better (but super CPU intensive) Bicubic Interpolation method.

 

[ahtea]

I not sure, but xperia S takes nice daylight photo. But any other condition sucks. I think lumia has it the other way.

My daylight photo for Lumia 920 comes out good too I feel.

 

[ahtea]

According to latest rumor, the Sony sensor is roughly 85.6mm² while the Lumia 1020 sensor is roughly 217.2mm². In terms of area, the Lumia has about 254% more area to capture light. This means that per pixel, the Lumia 1020 has a 24% bigger area than Sony's sensor.

Base on this + the bigger optics, the L1020 should have a better picture & it will be noticeable. Plus with the OIS & Mechanical shutter, this is as close as you can get to a DSLR on a mobile platform. Having a mechanical shutter means that the Lumia 1020 is of the non interline type (no extra circuit to store electrical charge after light is captured.)

In addition, it is BSI, so the Lumia 1020 sensor can be made smaller & thinner than the PV808 sensor without sacrificing sensitivity (in theory).

However, at the end of the day, small sensors always have quantum interference issues in that the photon can randomly fall on 2 to 3 adjacent pixels & create noise. Micro-lens reduce this by a lot but not 100% which is why small sensors these days are so much better than 5 years ago.

Lastly some forums are debating the reason, oversampled Lumia 1020 5mpix pictures have more noise than PV808's & this may be because, without the dedicated IC doing the scaling, Nokia may be forced to use a less CPU intensive algorithm that the Snapdragon S4 can handle, like Weighted Average, rather than Bilinear Interpolation or the better (but super CPU intensive) Bicubic Interpolation method.

Based on your explanation, yes, the L1020 should have better performance as compared to the Sony model.

 

[E_T]

Hmm... I wonder how many people actually understood what I wrote.

 

[ahtea]

Hmm... I wonder how many people actually understood what I wrote.

For the least you got 1 (which is me) who understood what you wrote.

 

[kopi22]

Hmm... I wonder how many people actually understood what I wrote.

Haha... Ultimately, buyers will look at the end results and compare. Then we will know who is the king of mobile phone camera.

 

[ahtea]

Haha... Ultimately, buyers will look at the end results and compare. Then we will know who is the king of mobile phone camera.

Not exactly.

I think consumers here are still pretty much blinded by brands.

 

[kekacofmmhkfoll]

According to latest rumor, the Sony sensor is roughly 85.6mm² while the Lumia 1020 sensor is roughly 217.2mm². In terms of area, the Lumia has about 254% more area to capture light. This means that per pixel, the Lumia 1020 has a 24% bigger area than Sony's sensor.

Base on this + the bigger optics, the L1020 should have a better picture & it will be noticeable. Plus with the OIS & Mechanical shutter, this is as close as you can get to a DSLR on a mobile platform. Having a mechanical shutter means that the Lumia 1020 is of the non interline type (no extra circuit to store electrical charge after light is captured.)

In addition, it is BSI, so the Lumia 1020 sensor can be made smaller & thinner than the PV808 sensor without sacrificing sensitivity (in theory).

However, at the end of the day, small sensors always have quantum interference issues in that the photon can randomly fall on 2 to 3 adjacent pixels & create noise. Micro-lens reduce this by a lot but not 100% which is why small sensors these days are so much better than 5 years ago.

Lastly some forums are debating the reason, oversampled Lumia 1020 5mpix pictures have more noise than PV808's & this may be because, without the dedicated IC doing the scaling, Nokia may be forced to use a less CPU intensive algorithm that the Snapdragon S4 can handle, like Weighted Average, rather than Bilinear Interpolation or the better (but super CPU intensive) Bicubic Interpolation method.

This quantum thing is weird.. I just wish someone found an explanation for this.
Instead of its designated spot where light should hit, its random around the area at a predictable percentage.

eg
10% 20% 50% 20% 10%

but based on this theory, is it even possible to make an algorithm and fix the lights that are out of place automatically?

 

[ym901s]

Guys,

Heard this gem is released on Tue!

 

[kekacofmmhkfoll]

Guys,

Heard this gem is released on Tue!

Isn't it on the 26th? Anyway, its not coming to SG until Q4.

Mine is shipping on 30th July

 

[kopi22]

Guys,

Heard this gem is released on Tue!

But dunno when then will reach our shores leh... No dates for Singapore during the Nokia event that time.

 

[E_T]

For the least you got 1 (which is me) who understood what you wrote.

Cool! Someone paid attention in science classes!

Haha... Ultimately, buyers will look at the end results and compare. Then we will know who is the king of mobile phone camera.

Not exactly.

I think consumers here are still pretty much blinded by brands.

I'm hoping that some people may buy it for the camera irregardless of the OS.

Initially I wasn't very excited but now that Nokia has shown what apps can be enhanced with this camera + the Live zoomable video recording, I'm starting to warm up to the idea, since 1) it looks like a Lumia 920 (I'm getting white) 2) it's lighter 3) my contract should be due by the time it launches.

 

[E_T]

This quantum thing is weird.. I just wish someone found an explanation for this.
Instead of its designated spot where light should hit, its random around the area at a predictable percentage.

eg
10% 20% 50% 20% 10%

but based on this theory, is it even possible to make an algorithm and fix the lights that are out of place automatically?

Dude, that's EXACTLY what the Nokia oversampling is supposed to solve!

By combining 3 adjacent pixel to form 1 "super-pixel" you reduce the quantum interference by a huge margin. By using Bicubic interpolation, you also smooth out adjacent super-pixels a bit so the resultant picture is smoother (further noise reduction).

As for the Quantum wave interference, photons can interfere with itself & each other when there's an opaque media in its path. In this case, it's the border of the pixels that appear as a black grid under a microscope. This is where the wiring runs.

This interference causes the photon to appear to land in more than 1 place & is completely random. Micro-lenses help by amplifying "direct" waves & deflect incidental waves, IIRC.

More info available here.

http://physicsforme.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/the-secret-lives-of-photons-revealed/

 

[sG_KYo]

Isn't it on the 26th? Anyway, its not coming to SG until Q4.

Mine is shipping on 30th July

how u know is shipping on 30th ??? meaning mine also?

 

[sianz]

Finally I can replace my pureview 808. How are you guys buying it so early? ATT model? Doesn't that not work on our local 3g/4g bands?