Nvidia RTX5000 up to +30% better than RTX4000 (only!)

[shidenx]

not for gpus, but at least one distro for asus rejected mobo rma due to oxidation.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/rma-asus-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi.7097941/


really this gen not just gotch fake frames but also fake rops

Fake is can see the number but make up somehow.

This one is totally silicone level missing

 

[shidenx]

Some insider infomation. Next big batch of 50 series card for New Zealand supplier is coming in April.

Not sure how that translates to SG, but some shops did tell me in SG expect cheaper cards in March.

I wonder how much cheaper. Now I can't even find msi

 

[raindance]

not for gpus, but at least one distro for asus rejected mobo rma due to oxidation.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/rma-asus-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi.7097941/


really this gen not just gotch fake frames but also fake rops

Yeah I saw that thread, but if you see page 3, OP says Asus has accepted the RMA request.

 

[doogyhatts]

Modded 4090 with 98gb vram from China.


In the meantime, I recently discovered there is one shop in SL selling the modded 48gb variant.

 

[alauz]

Woah, how much???

Modded 4090 with 98gb vram from China.


In the meantime, I recently discovered there is one shop in SL selling the modded 48gb variant.

 

[doogyhatts]

Woah, how much???

You mean the 48gb one selling in SG?
That one is 5K sgd, but has no warranty from AIB.

 

[NightRaven49]

Yeah I saw that thread, but if you see page 3, OP says Asus has accepted the RMA request.

same with palit thread, only after pushback then they reluctantly accept rma. but both initially reject.

 

[fkchon]

I wonder how much cheaper. Now I can't even find msi

I think MSI never sent any cards to SEA, Australia and New Zealand. Talked to some suppliers in Aus and NZ they received 0 cards since launch, not sure how they'll fufill those MSI launch edition cards lol.

 

[LiLAsN]

For those who using Nvidia GPU, I can confirm that DLSS 4 does indeed work magic at 4K, DLSS 4 Performance is generally better than DLSS 3 Quality, sigh this only makes the Nvidia moat even deeper doesn't it?

This video was really great. It is so informative at the fact that DLSS 4 Performance looks like DLSS 3 Quality Mode.
As a result, it means our RTX 2000 - 4000 series got a free performance upgrade thanks to DLSS 4 Performance boosting our FPS. And thus, can tide us over the RTX 5000 series minute bump in hardware performance.
Until hopefully the RTX 6000 series which hopefully goes back to being a major hardware upgrade.

I recommend others to have a watch at the Quality improvement as well as the free FPS gains that we can now achieve by using the now impressive DLSS 4 Performance and Balanced modes.

 

[shidenx]

I think MSI never sent any cards to SEA, Australia and New Zealand. Talked to some suppliers in Aus and NZ they received 0 cards since launch, not sure how they'll fufill those MSI launch edition cards lol.

That sucks cause I like the suprim soc look zzzz

 

[raindance]

same with palit thread, only after pushback then they reluctantly accept rma. but both initially reject.

But the difference is that for the Palit case it was Convergent that provided a Sapphire card replacement. That means in theory Palit never agreed to replace it.

Whereas that Asus board was replaced by Asus.

 

[HieroX]

Siao liao 5080 also Missing ROPS.

Check hor! 112 and not 104!

Huat ar. Luckily mine is ok. Checked with hardware info, then gpu-z

 

[Phen8210]

This video was really great. It is so informative at the fact that DLSS 4 Performance looks like DLSS 3 Quality Mode.
As a result, it means our RTX 2000 - 4000 series got a free performance upgrade thanks to DLSS 4 Performance boosting our FPS. And thus, can tide us over the RTX 5000 series minute bump in hardware performance.
Until hopefully the RTX 6000 series which hopefully goes back to being a major hardware upgrade.

I recommend others to have a watch at the Quality improvement as well as the free FPS gains that we can now achieve by using the now impressive DLSS 4 Performance and Balanced modes.

Depending on your resolution, target quality, and whether you prioritize performance or image integrity, the setting you use will vary.

When the DLSS 4 modules were released with the Cyberpunk update over a month ago, I extracted the DLLs and used them for testing in other games. The older version was preset J, while the current version is preset K. I have tested both the old and latest version of transformer model on various titles. I am part of a group that conduct these testing, as soon as they are available.

I used tools like DLSS Tweaks to apply the newer DLSS DLLs to other games, which also allowed me to change the DLSS module, change preset letters and customize internal scaling.

From my own testing throughout several games, here's what i recommend for uncompromised image quality while using DLSS.

Resolution	Recommended Option	Fallback Option	Note
4K	DLSS Quality - 0.67x (Transformer)	DLSS Balanced (Transformer)	Avoid Performance mode due to motion artifacts.
1440P	DLSS Ultra Quality - 0.75x (Transformer)	DLSS Quality (Transformer)	Avoid Performance and Balanced modes due to motion artifacts.
1080P	DLAA (CNN) - 1x	DLSS Ultra Quality / Quality (Transformer)	Use CNN for DLAA for better performance. Try to avoid upscaling due to motion artifacts.

Use the recommended option if you prefer image quality and stability, and fallback option only when you need more performance.

 

[Koenig168]

...
Until hopefully the RTX 6000 series which hopefully goes back to being a major hardware upgrade.

....

If AMD doesn't screw up (again), Nvidia may have to make more than a token improvement for RTX 6000. Otherwise, it will be just DLSS 5 with 4 fake frames.

 

[Phen8210]

If AMD doesn't screw up (again), Nvidia may have to make more than a token improvement for RTX 6000. Otherwise, it will be just DLSS 5 with 4 fake frames.

He is referring to the upscaling improvements from DLSS 4, not frame generation.

AMD cant even hold a candle in terms of image quality, their best is when using native which has become really bad on modern titles. This is in contrast to Nvidia which has DLSS to process the image for both better image quality and performance.

AMD new FSR upscaling standards is at DLSS 2 standards which is what Nvidia did 5 years ago.. its not about them screwing up, they aren't screwing up anything, AMD just cannot compete when they are lacking in so many ways.

 

[fkchon]

I think in terms of image quality from worst to best would be

AMD FSR ---- Big gap here > XeSS -> DLSS3 -> Native -> DLSS4

 

[Yongkit]

Lol none have seem the real fsr 3.1 AA + FG (the true form of FSR) with RX7000 series gpu.

 

[Phen8210]

I think in terms of image quality from worst to best would be

AMD FSR ---- Big gap here > XeSS -> DLSS3 -> Native -> DLSS4

Yeah.. something like that.

Before the release of DLSS 4, I always used DLAA at 1440p because native rendering couldn’t even compare.

Native can be a hit or miss, but in modern titles, it’s often more misses than hits. As a result, even the latest version of DLSS 3 with DLAA tends to provide more consistent image quality.

By DLSS 3, I specifically mean version 3.8.1, this is the version before DLSS 4 released which was already a huge step up compared to older versions.

DLSS 3 saw numerous improvements over time, so to achieve the best results, you’d need to use the latest dlss dlls for your game.. Its best to use DLSSTWEAKS, enable dll override method and use Preset E for 3.8.1. For some reason, preset F was recommended for DLAA but it's so blurry compare to Preset E, so i used Preset E.

In DLSS 4, presets J and K enable the transformer model which is good for upscaling, but for DLAA its better to force the CNN-based model to avoid unnecessary performance tax. DLSS 4 preset E is functionally identical to DLSS 3.8.1 preset E, which was considered the best state for DLSS 3.

 

[soreloser]

Yeah.. something like that.

Before the release of DLSS 4, I always used DLAA at 1440p because native rendering couldn’t even compare.

Native can be a hit or miss, but in modern titles, it’s often more misses than hits. As a result, even the latest version of DLSS 3 with DLAA tends to provide more consistent image quality.

By DLSS 3, I specifically mean version 3.8.1, this is the version before DLSS 4 released which was already a huge step up compared to older versions.

DLSS 3 saw numerous improvements over time, so to achieve the best results, you’d need to use the latest dlss dlls for your game.. Its best to use DLSSTWEAKS, enable dll override method and use Preset E for 3.8.1. For some reason, preset F was recommended for DLAA but it's so blurry compare to Preset E, so i used Preset E.

In DLSS 4, presets J and K enable the transformer model which is good for upscaling, but for DLAA its better to force the CNN-based model to avoid unnecessary performance tax. DLSS 4 preset E is functionally identical to DLSS 3.8.1 preset E, which was considered the best state for DLSS 3.

Ya... That's the reason i can't really recommend amd if it's only slightly cheaper.. DLSS q at 1440p is a free 20-30% improvement for almost no loss in quality.

 

[matique]

I do hope graphics cards keep making generational leaps. Agree about new transformer model looking fantastic. DLSS4 + path lighting, on an OLED monitor is a great experience.

4090 still providing smooth playback, and 2x FG doesn't look too bad. This is dlssQ + FG, path lighting and everything maxed out at 3440x1440. Not much noticeable smearing. Other than cyberpunk, i think Wukong and Indiana are hard to run as well. Hopefully they get optimised over time, like how cyberpunk was for performance.

So far i think sticking with 4090 has been a good choice. Stock issues aside, 5090 might suffer intermittent black screen issues, regardless of drivers. I have some friends with a 5090 and they've been complaining about it.