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ho_kuku

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I'm trying to reduce my renovation costs.

Is it possible to do smart switches 1 year after we have moved in?

How much budget do I need to do simple smart home setup?

if situation permits - can try pulling a neutral wire to each of your switch. May cost you an extra $10-$12 for each point but I think its well worth it.
Smart switch with neutral wires tends to be more stable and equipment linked to neutral smart switches may have a longer lifespan (you are not manipulating the voltages to trigger on/off) in the long run.

One side benefit of neutral switches is that they're able to form a mesh network (zigbee, zwave) that can extend coverage. I have my smart hub in the storeroom - and my switches are all over the place (kitchen, toilets etc). Without this mesh network - I'll have to place the hub in the central location and even if I do that - there is no guarantee that the hub can reach all my switches.
 

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Hi experts here. How do I know if I have neutral wire in my wall switch? So I should see 2 wires? And it should be the same colour code right - Blue for Netural wire?
 

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Hi experts here. How do I know if I have neutral wire in my wall switch? So I should see 2 wires? And it should be the same colour code right - Blue for Netural wire?
if there's only 2 wires, confirm don't have neutral.
 

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anyone have recommendation for 20A smart switch? so many out there can be difficult to choose.....
 

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Hi anyone using amazon echo able to connect to aqara m2 home? I set the region to US but still cant find in the alexa app
 

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Hi all, I'm a owner of some broadlink products. Being using TC2 with rm Pro for some time and decided to upgrade to TC3 with s3 hub. While testing the TC3, I found that when ever I trip or switch off my circuit breaker for installation or testing. After the power has return to the TC3, the manual finger touch will no longer function, the app operation by phone is still work but not the manual touch.
Check with Broadlink SG and found out that the switch will go in to stand by / safe mode due to the an electrical surge. The only way to reset is to unclip faceplate and reattach faceplate while the mains are in ON state.
Both the new TC2s and TC3 have this feature/ problem. But not the LC1 switch.

In the event if power outage happen, 1st thing ppl wan is the light to came back on. So if the manual switch method does not work on return of power. That will be a major problem. If the whole unit is install with all tc2s or tc3, all lights are off, untill someone reset the face plate.
I feel Manual function must work instantly, while the online feature takes time it's understandable.

Does anyone else face the same issue with TC2S or TC3? any work around?
 

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yeah I am Alex Teo lol.

You need to pick a smart home solution that is able to do that. Google home definitely is not able to, alexa can do that with some limitation but is extremely easy to configure. Apple homekit, smartThings, homey, hubitat, home assistant are some of the good and powerful solutions. But they might not be easy to setup for people who has zero IT knowledge. It is something like choosing a linux vs windows OS for your PC. Gotta do your own research and pick the solution that best fits your profile and requirements, no right or wrong answer.
Saw your TY channel. I got the SmartThing hub but where or the website to find for insert 3rd party handler like Roborock vacuum?
 

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if situation permits - can try pulling a neutral wire to each of your switch. May cost you an extra $10-$12 for each point but I think its well worth it.
Smart switch with neutral wires tends to be more stable and equipment linked to neutral smart switches may have a longer lifespan (you are not manipulating the voltages to trigger on/off) in the long run.

One side benefit of neutral switches is that they're able to form a mesh network (zigbee, zwave) that can extend coverage. I have my smart hub in the storeroom - and my switches are all over the place (kitchen, toilets etc). Without this mesh network - I'll have to place the hub in the central location and even if I do that - there is no guarantee that the hub can reach all my switches.
Hi, according to my contractor for my new bto, to pull neutral wires to each switch point, they have to be pulled out from mains in the db box.
is this accurate?
 

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Hi, according to my contractor for my new bto, to pull neutral wires to each switch point, they have to be pulled out from mains in the db box.
is this accurate?
Yes, that is correct.
You got any quotes yet?
Some sly contractor quote per gang - ie if you have a 3 gang switch - they'll quote you for 3 neutral wires
Each switch should only be quote as one neutral wire point regardless of how many gang it has.

FYI
 

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Hi, I am exploring to upgrade my currently home switch to Aqara. What are the thing required for a basis setup. I will just need to control the switch when i am away from home in the scenario like forget to off the lights and etc. Also, for aqara switch, what is the difference between E1 and D1 model? Anyone can guide me?
 

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Hi, I am exploring to upgrade my currently home switch to Aqara. What are the thing required for a basis setup. I will just need to control the switch when i am away from home in the scenario like forget to off the lights and etc. Also, for aqara switch, what is the difference between E1 and D1 model? Anyone can guide me?
Halo @scenium ,

Is there any particular reason why you are set on aqara?
There are quite a few options out there for smart switches.

For Aqara home switches - you'll need an aqara hub. All your aqara switches will be then connected to this hub.
You communicate with the hub (via app) and provide the desired actions (ie turn on/off kitchen lights, fans etc) - the hub will in turn communicate with your aqara switches via the zigbee protocol to execute your instructions (ie on/off lights/ fan etc).

The benefit of using zigbee is that interference to your wifi network is minimum. The alternative is using wifi based switches which will add load to your existing wifi network. Imagine having 20-30 more devices connected to your wifi. Having said that - most modern wifi router should be able to handle the load.

The scenarios that you've described are certainly do-able for aqara switches (that is the bare minimum for smart switches). There are 2 basic type of switches in the market - ie switches with neutral AND switches that does not require neutral.

In summary switches that requires neutral - require a neutral wire to power the switch and keep it online 24/7 - this is required so that you can send instruction for it to turn on/off whenever you wish. In this configuration only your switch is powered on by the neutral wire (27/7), NO current goes to your equipment. The downside is that you'll need to ask your electrician to pull neutral wire into all of your switches.

Switches that doesn't require neutral wires (also need to be online 24/7) - manipulates the voltage to achieve the on/off effect. For for lights to turn on - a certain voltage threshold is required. Installing the non neutral switches means that there'll be constant current going into your equipments (lights/ fans etc). The turning on/off is achieved by manipulating the voltage above or below this voltage threshold. In this configuration - there are current going thru your switches AND equipment linked to it. There are discussion that having current going into your equipment 24/7 may shorten its lifespan - and also may have the flickering issue. Alot of folks here dun have this problem

E1 and D1 is pretty similar in terms of function - but E1 uses better material. Metal plates I think - where D1 uses plastic/ ABS. I got my D1 from shoppee - around $20-$30 SGD depending on how many gangs it has. Someone here mentioned that he can get it for $8 - not sure how true it is.
 
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