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yeap. thats what i meant. haha.
so how did u make him understd?

No way to make him understand. He will just repeat after sometime.

I slowly and repeatedly explained to my then 95yo aunty where and who is having her house title deed. Yet she will bug me now and then asking where is her title deed. Now she 97yo and still asking just 2 months ago.
 

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No way to make him understand. He will just repeat after sometime.

I slowly and repeatedly explained to my then 95yo aunty where and who is having her house title deed. Yet she will bug me now and then asking where is her title deed. Now she 97yo and still asking just 2 months ago.

shld have just frame it up and hang in her bedroom?
 

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I would forget about CPF Life if given the choice of RSS with flexibility of managing own fund without incurring annuity premium.

HLBH,
how do you suggest going about doing this?
the RA is an "open" account as long as the person is still alive right?
with 4%..
so can the person transfer back everything to RA?
 

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shld have just frame it up and hang in her bedroom?

I wish I could return her the title deed or hang it in her bedroom. But her title deed which she insisted that I keep is now in the custody of HDB :s13:

The title deed was joint ownership with her son. She thought that by passing me the title deed, I could prevent her son from selling the flat when she uplorry. After conversion to tenants in common the new title deed is held by HDB. Then her half share is willed to me :s13: :s13: :s13:
 

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I would forget about CPF Life if given the choice of RSS with flexibility of managing own fund without incurring annuity premium.

HLBH,
how do you suggest going about doing this?
the RA is an "open" account as long as the person is still alive right?
with 4%..
so can the person transfer back everything to RA?

Not sure of what you are trying to question.

Do what?

RA is not an 'open' account, though you could withdraw up to half of FRS with property pledge or you could top up RA every year to prevailing ERS. It could also be emptied if you choose standard or escalating plan.

What you mean can transfer back everything to RA? You can transfer SA followed by OA to RA but that I think is considered as topping up and as such there is a limit. Eg if you have RA of 171k FRS plus 85.5k to bring it ERS and you decided to withdraw half of FRS, you cannot 'transfer back' or top up RA as you have reached the limit of 256.50 before the withdrawal. But if you have only 171k in RA, you could withdraw 85.5k (with property pledge) and subsequently top up RA with 85.5k.
 

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Not sure of what you are trying to question.

Do what?

RA is not an 'open' account, though you could withdraw up to half of FRS with property pledge or you could top up RA every year to prevailing ERS. It could also be emptied if you choose standard or escalating plan.

What you mean can transfer back everything to RA? You can transfer SA followed by OA to RA but that I think is considered as topping up and as such there is a limit. Eg if you have RA of 171k FRS plus 85.5k to bring it ERS and you decided to withdraw half of FRS, you cannot 'transfer back' or top up RA as you have reached the limit of 256.50 before the withdrawal. But if you have only 171k in RA, you could withdraw 85.5k (with property pledge) and subsequently top up RA with 85.5k.

thanks HLBH, maybe i wasnt clear.
but i also just realised this thread is about pte annuities. :s22:
so lets leave this as it is.. and will cont the cpf disucssion in another relevant thread.

not sure if i saw any recommendations from yourself. pardon me if i missed it.
cpf life aside, if you had to pick one pte annuity, which would it be?
and why?
 

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As of January 8, 2019, here is the current list of life annuity products available in Singapore (in alphabetical order):

Aviva MyLifeIncome
CPF LIFE
Etiqa ePREMIER eternity presto
Manulife RetireReady
NTUC Income Guaranteed Life Annuity
Tokio Marine Retirement GIO
Tokio Marine Retirement PaycheckLife

NTUC has withdrawn its Guaranteed Life Annuity for new policyholders, effective November 23, 2018. Manulife is now the only carrier offering a fully SRS qualified life annuity.

Unfortunately, there is no “perfect” Singapore dollar denominated life annuity product. “Perfect” would mean options for joint/survivor payouts (for a spouse/partner, in particular), inflation-linked guaranteed payouts, and full SRS qualification (to extend the tax favored SRS withdrawal period beyond 10 years in effect). (Joint/survivor terms and full SRS qualification might be mutually exclusive given tax rule limitations.) However, you may be able to combine products and/or CPF LIFE to arrive at a near perfect solution.
 

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As of January 8, 2019, here is the current list of life annuity products available in Singapore (in alphabetical order):

Aviva MyLifeIncome
CPF LIFE
Etiqa ePREMIER eternity presto
Manulife RetireReady
NTUC Income Guaranteed Life Annuity
Tokio Marine Retirement GIO
Tokio Marine Retirement PaycheckLife

NTUC has withdrawn its Guaranteed Life Annuity for new policyholders, effective November 23, 2018. Manulife is now the only carrier offering a fully SRS qualified life annuity.

Unfortunately, there is no “perfect” Singapore dollar denominated life annuity product. “Perfect” would mean options for joint/survivor payouts (for a spouse/partner, in particular), inflation-linked guaranteed payouts, and full SRS qualification (to extend the tax favored SRS withdrawal period beyond 10 years in effect). (Joint/survivor terms and full SRS qualification might be mutually exclusive given tax rule limitations.) However, you may be able to combine products and/or CPF LIFE to arrive at a near perfect solution.

Hi, makes more sense to buy one that gives you monthly payout to 80/90 or for life?
 

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Hi, makes more sense to buy one that gives you monthly payout to 80/90 or for life?
Life, almost always.(*)

It's easy in Singapore for you, as an individual, to construct your own annuity that pays out for a fixed term. That's called saving and prudent, age and risk appropriate investing, with prudent drawdown. An insurance company "middleman" can really only add cost to this particular endeavor, and you certainly don't need that. Please note that I'm assuming responsible financial behaviors, that you actually do save, invest, and draw down prudently, using quality and low cost investments. If you're incapable of such responsible behaviors, then maybe the power of a premium bill (and an insurance company adding its costs) is the best you can do.

Longevity insurance is different. Most people cannot predict with any sort of precision their lifespans, and so pooling that longevity risk is where the government (CPF LIFE) and insurance companies (life annuities) can offer genuine value for your premium dollar, in that order. CPF LIFE clearly offers the best longevity insurance value per premium dollar.

I would also point out that only a genuine life annuity qualifies as a fully SRS compatible annuity, which effectively stretches the tax advantaged withdrawal period beyond 10 years. That's what the tax rules require: life means life, however long it lasts. Manulife sells fully SRS qualified life annuities.

(*) One possible exception is if there's a reliable and significant bequest in your pipeline, with high confidence. Then a fixed payout term annuity might make a little more sense as a "bridge" to the bequest. But I really struggle to make even that possible exception work well in financial terms.
 
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Hk gov annunity 170k pays back $800


https://www.hkma.gov.hk/eng/key-information/press-releases/2018/20180705-5.shtml
 

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Platinum Generation
US$5602 per year for 10 years.
Guaranteed coupon of US$1400 after 10 years
Discretionary dividends of US$700 second year onwards.
I do not know how to load up my BI.

whats the name of it?
do you have the BI?
premium?
payout and payout age?
 

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Platinum Generation
US$5602 per year for 10 years.
Guaranteed coupon of US$1400 after 10 years
Discretionary dividends of US$700 second year onwards.
I do not know how to load up my BI.

The coupon and dividends amount are annual?
 

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I did, with AIA. 10 years premium, coupon for life.

This one is a limited paying Whole Life policy with an option to withdraw coupons.
https://www.aia.com.sg/en/our-products/platinum/aia-platinum-generations.html
Actually, it looks like that product (Platinum Generations) is term life insurance to age 100 with some complications added. Unfortunately, AIA does not offer genuine life annuities.

For what it’s worth, I haven’t purchased any private life annuities yet (no rush to make that particular decision), although our household is expecting/forecasting future payouts from three high quality sovereign life annuities. Two of those three involved voluntary purchase decisions to some extent.
 
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As of January 8, 2019, here is the current list of life annuity products available in Singapore (in alphabetical order):

Aviva MyLifeIncome
CPF LIFE
Etiqa ePREMIER eternity presto
Manulife RetireReady
NTUC Income Guaranteed Life Annuity
Tokio Marine Retirement GIO
Tokio Marine Retirement PaycheckLife

NTUC has withdrawn its Guaranteed Life Annuity for new policyholders, effective November 23, 2018. Manulife is now the only carrier offering a fully SRS qualified life annuity.

Unfortunately, there is no “perfect” Singapore dollar denominated life annuity product. “Perfect” would mean options for joint/survivor payouts (for a spouse/partner, in particular), inflation-linked guaranteed payouts, and full SRS qualification (to extend the tax favored SRS withdrawal period beyond 10 years in effect). (Joint/survivor terms and full SRS qualification might be mutually exclusive given tax rule limitations.) However, you may be able to combine products and/or CPF LIFE to arrive at a near perfect solution.

Hi BBC

You may wish to add China life lifetime income in the list too.
 
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