Proposal Ring - Part 2

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lee hwa solitiaire having 50% discount now.

just got a .4 carat for less then 2k. but they show me a destinee .3 carat for 2.7k

under microscope can see the destinee is really beautiful compare to the solitaire, but using naked eye i cannot really see the diff, thus went ahead with thr solitaire 1

can someone.point.to me if i got a good.deal?

.4 carat
vvs2
color f
round brilliant cut
cut: very good
 

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Just say to say thank you to everyone in this thread for giving so much information. It has helped me a ton a few months back when I was searching for information on where to get my proposal ring. =)

While I did visit Soo Kee,Lee Hwa, Tiffany, Goldheart and Tian Po. I eventually purchased my ring from JP. The Solasfera I purchased was about $4k pricer than the Brilliant rose in SK but it did seem to sparkle a lot more. Must be the 91 facets working against the 66 facets cut.

I know this thread seems to be JP slanted. But for fellow newbies like me. I would really recommend just paying them a visit, get their 2 hour diamond education. Casey who attended to me was really friendly and wasn't pushy at all. It was my own doing that opted for a Solasfera vs a super ideal. lol

And even after the education, you don't need to commit to JP. Instead pay a visit to the other retailers and do a good comparison and check. (Now that you're more knowledageable..haha) After all the amount you're spending for a proposal ring ain't a small sum.

Good luck to all searching. And thanks once again. =)

Welcome to the Solasfera club :)
 

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Thanks for the lengthy reply. This gives me a better idea of what to expect.. Personally, I don't think I'm much of a fan of the huge vintage designs.. it looks too exaggerated for my taste.. but I'm ok with the less over the top ones in the last few pics..

Btw, I assume vintage designs would be priced alot higher since it requires alot more smaller diamonds on the side?
Vintage? Indirectly hinting about a "Tiffany" setting?
That is a very simple, timeless design.. VERY different from the suggested vintages..
Tiffany's not very value for money IMHO..
u r paying a lot for the branding behind the blue box..
 

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Just say to say thank you to everyone in this thread for giving so much information. It has helped me a ton a few months back when I was searching for information on where to get my proposal ring. =)

While I did visit Soo Kee,Lee Hwa, Tiffany, Goldheart and Tian Po. I eventually purchased my ring from JP. The Solasfera I purchased was about $4k pricer than the Brilliant rose in SK but it did seem to sparkle a lot more. Must be the 91 facets working against the 66 facets cut.

I know this thread seems to be JP slanted. But for fellow newbies like me. I would really recommend just paying them a visit, get their 2 hour diamond education. Casey who attended to me was really friendly and wasn't pushy at all. It was my own doing that opted for a Solasfera vs a super ideal. lol

And even after the education, you don't need to commit to JP. Instead pay a visit to the other retailers and do a good comparison and check. (Now that you're more knowledageable..haha) After all the amount you're spending for a proposal ring ain't a small sum.

Good luck to all searching. And thanks once again. =)
JP briefings r very informative.. but remember the "education" comes from the perspective of a seller..
For a neutral source, u can always use Google.. which will teach u how to detect fakes like CZ and mossianites.. the story behind blood diamonds.. and even alternative cuts like Lazare etc..

Moral of the story: If u can afford a cut like solasfera, good for u. If u can't, dun worry, it is not the end-all, the debate is still out there on which kind of cut looks the best. And pls open ur eyes and ears, especially when given information by a seller (be it ppty, insurance, cars or diamonds) ;p
 

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JP briefings r very informative.. but remember the "education" comes from the perspective of a seller..
For a neutral source, u can always use Google.. which will teach u how to detect fakes like CZ and mossianites.. the story behind blood diamonds.. and even alternative cuts like Lazare etc..

Moral of the story: If u can afford a cut like solasfera, good for u. If u can't, dun worry, it is not the end-all, the debate is still out there on which kind of cut looks the best. And pls open ur eyes and ears, especially when given information by a seller (be it ppty, insurance, cars or diamonds) ;p

Solasfera and Lazare are entirely different class of diamonds I must say.
If self-taught through google researches lead you to recommending Lazare cut over Solasfera, given the exorbitant pricing of Lazare, then my dear fellow forummer, google has educated you inadequately.

Solasfera is cheaper and performs better than Lazare.
 

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Vintage? Indirectly hinting about a "Tiffany" setting?
That is a very simple, timeless design.. VERY different from the suggested vintages..
Tiffany's not very value for money IMHO..
u r paying a lot for the branding behind the blue box..

Does vintage mean Tiffany?? I'm confused.. I'll try to get more hints from her to see what she means... If its really Tiffany, I think I can only afford a small rock from them with my humble budget.. I booked an appointment with Jannpaul this weekend. Hopefully they can give me more advice..
 

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Does vintage mean Tiffany?? I'm confused.. I'll try to get more hints from her to see what she means... If its really Tiffany, I think I can only afford a small rock from them with my humble budget.. I booked an appointment with Jannpaul this weekend. Hopefully they can give me more advice..
solasfera and JP nt considered "affordable" for the budget-conscious.. go ahead wif ur appt, get "educated" and enjoy the beautiful experience of shopping for diamonds.. but pls dun feel pressurized to stretch ur budget for the ring under any temptations or circumstances.. wedding is a massive project and the engagement ring is only a small part of it.. good to read up on de beers and the diamond market before u commit a fortune on it..
 

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We went back to JP resize the proposal ring (I was off by 1 size) and just thought we'll take a look at wedding bands.

My fiancée is thinking of getting an eternity band.

Jann was busy as we didn't make an appointment so we talked to a staff from house of hung. However she said that using Solasfera melees would jack up the price about 2x. Pity i didn't push for a comparison then and would have to make another trip down.

Just checking who might have bought Solasfera melees compared to normal diamonds. Was the sparkle that much different considering the diamonds are so small?

Figured that since its a wedding band might as well settle for the best? *shrugs*
 

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JP briefings r very informative.. but remember the "education" comes from the perspective of a seller..
For a neutral source, u can always use Google.. which will teach u how to detect fakes like CZ and mossianites.. the story behind blood diamonds.. and even alternative cuts like Lazare etc..

Moral of the story: If u can afford a cut like solasfera, good for u. If u can't, dun worry, it is not the end-all, the debate is still out there on which kind of cut looks the best. And pls open ur eyes and ears, especially when given information by a seller (be it ppty, insurance, cars or diamonds) ;p

True...fair enough. That's why its still suggested to visit all the different retailers to make a comparison.

Minus all the diamond techical stuff, I think the feel of whether you like the diamond is important too. After all, take the solasfera for example. Some might not like the 91 facets as its all smaller cuts and has a different feel.
 

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We went back to JP resize the proposal ring (I was off by 1 size) and just thought we'll take a look at wedding bands.

My fiancée is thinking of getting an eternity band.

Jann was busy as we didn't make an appointment so we talked to a staff from house of hung. However she said that using Solasfera melees would jack up the price about 2x. Pity i didn't push for a comparison then and would have to make another trip down.

Just checking who might have bought Solasfera melees compared to normal diamonds. Was the sparkle that much different considering the diamonds are so small?

Figured that since its a wedding band might as well settle for the best? *shrugs*

We got solasfera melees for our wedding bands but honestly I cannot tell the difference coz its too small. See our bands below..

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We got solasfera melees for our wedding bands but honestly I cannot tell the difference coz its too small. See our bands below..

Thanks for letting me know that.

Very nice pair of wedding bands by the way...=)
 

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solasfera and JP nt considered "affordable" for the budget-conscious.. go ahead wif ur appt, get "educated" and enjoy the beautiful experience of shopping for diamonds.. but pls dun feel pressurized to stretch ur budget for the ring under any temptations or circumstances.. wedding is a massive project and the engagement ring is only a small part of it.. good to read up on de beers and the diamond market before u commit a fortune on it..

I thought JP is for the budget conscious and value for money? Read a few posts back of others sharing their experience with a limited budget. Ya.. I do understand where you're coming from about the budgeting for the wedding.. That's also why I'm limiting my budget to $3k and see what I can get for it..

P.S. I'll also be looking at other shops to have a comparison too.


I've just finished my appointment with JP's Casey.

I just wanted to share my journey over here so people who has the same concern and worries that i had to learn from my journey. It may not be the most perfect one, but it was definitely a low budgeted and urgent journey to get an engagement ring.

My challenge was this:
1. Less than two weeks timeline
2. Low budget.

I started off sending an email to JP after reading through this thread. I sent it in with a heavy heart, being ashamed of my low budget(Below 3k) and that i need a ring urgently. They came back politely and professionally asking of my 3Cs requirement and that if necessary, i could go around and take a look at the Local Jewelers. So i replied them with this:
Carat: 0.3 - 0.4
Color : E-F
Clarity : VS1
Collection date : Less than 2 weeks
Price : below 2.5k
(All with the knowledge that i got from what i could gather from this thread)

At the same time, i went to Goldheart, Citigem, SK, Tianpo to check the scene.
(CAUTION: this was just my personal experience. everyone has a different experience)
What i know is that the Cut is very important, so i decided to check on all the premium cuts of each store.
True enough, all the premium cuts that is offered to me which is in the region of 0.3 - 0.45 carats are above 2.5k OTHER than SK.

The Celestial(Starburst) diamond from Goldheart and the Rosella(Rose) diamond from Citigem were really impressive but not within my budget.

SK was offering at a very good price! They had one that was 0.42 carat, E, S1 which was going for $2100 and that was really tempting because it is 8 hearts and 8 arrows. I decided to control myself and mention that i will only make a decision after my appointment with JP.

The only scope test that we did was to take a look at the Arrows on the diamonds. Only 1 shop, TianPo, shown me the loose diamond(Hearts on fire) and shown me both the Arrows and hearts. They also offered to show me the cert number on the girdle.

I went away with quite a heavy heart on whether i should have gotten the diamond ring from SK since i needed the ring urgently.

So the time for my appointment has arrived and i met with JP's Casey.

One thing that truly impressed was that service was impeccable.
Despite my small budget, they continued to give me the full course education of diamonds(HSA,the different scopes, the GIA cert, etc etc) On top of that, they were able to meet my requirements and still gave me all the attention i required. I was able to get the diamond and the settings that i am sure my girlfriend would love.

For my budget, i was able to get the following:
0.36 carat, F , VS1, HCA 1.3,18k whitegold setting. Verified by all the 3 different scopes with minimal leakage, diamond education and a lovely experience. (He mentioned that he will give me the photos of my ring too).
I wanted to spend more but Casey was very nice to me and said "Look at the diamonds, if you don't see any differences, pick the one that is value for money."

I knew, he had my interest at heart.

Thanks Casey and JP for the journey! I am looking forward to my collection.
Also, Thanks Hardwarezone, for all the information for the journey.
 

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Received my proposal ring images from Vivo Diamonds. Love it! Highly recommend them to anyone looking for proposal ring. Top notch service and extremely patient even though my budget is small in comparison.

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I thought JP is for the budget conscious and value for money? Read a few posts back of others sharing their experience with a limited budget. Ya.. I do understand where you're coming from about the budgeting for the wedding.. That's also why I'm limiting my budget to $3k and see what I can get for it..

P.S. I'll also be looking at other shops to have a comparison too.
SK vs JP Service
Diamond education and service level at JP is impeccable.
SK is a large chain and the service, knowledge levels & nationalities of the salespersons there ranges widely. Had experienced both excellent and icky service from them. Your experience may vary.
JP wins

.42 vs .36 carat
5 point difference in carat size may be small on paper. But if 2 girls who bot both these rings compares them side by side, the .42 girl will walk away with a wider smile.
SK wins

E vs F colour
1 alpabet difference in colour grade may be small on paper. But if 2 girls who bot both these rings compares them side by side, the E colour girl will walk away with a wider smile.
SK wins

S1 vs VS1 clarity
Unless the diamonds were compared at close range with a loupe, it really takes an expert to grade the inclusions. Do a blind test yourself and check the certs for answers, see if you can really detect the stone with poorer clarity.
JP wins

H&A vs Solasfera cut
Destinee, Hearts on Fire, Lazare, True Love, Perfect Love, Tolkowsky etc are different brand names for the classic 58 facets H&A cut.
Celestial, Brillant Rose, Rosella, Solasfera are some fancy cuts with more facets.
I like classic design but it's really up to ur preference.
Oh and did anyone tell u more facets to reflect light also means more facets that trap dust and grime? And the faster the stone will lose its lustre due to grime?
SK wins (personal choice)

$2100 vs >$2100
He din state how much he paid at JP, but was below his budget. Highly likely that JP was between $2100 and $2999. How is buying a more expensive diamond which is smaller, yellower, but clearer and more reflective an affordable choice?
SK wins

It is very unlikely you get to compare the diamonds from different shops side by side. But your wives will. They wun be armed wif ASET or Ideal scopes. The wife with a low quality chapalang 75point diamond will be walking away wif a wider smile than those wif a 50 point Perfect Love or Solasfera. Even when armed with a scope, the first thing I overheard was a girl exclaiming "the little hearts are so cute!", not referring to hearts at the bottom of the diamond, but a heart-shaped prong of a SK Perfect Love ring. Women just notice things differently I guess..

Be educated and be wary of paying for luxuries that you may not need.. ;p
 

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SK vs JP Service
Diamond education and service level at JP is impeccable.
SK is a large chain and the service, knowledge levels & nationalities of the salespersons there ranges widely. Had experienced both excellent and icky service from them. Your experience may vary.
JP wins

.42 vs .36 carat
5 point difference in carat size may be small on paper. But if 2 girls who bot both these rings compares them side by side, the .42 girl will walk away with a wider smile.
SK wins

E vs F colour
1 alpabet difference in colour grade may be small on paper. But if 2 girls who bot both these rings compares them side by side, the E colour girl will walk away with a wider smile.
SK wins

S1 vs VS1 clarity
Unless the diamonds were compared at close range with a loupe, it really takes an expert to grade the inclusions. Do a blind test yourself and check the certs for answers, see if you can really detect the stone with poorer clarity.
JP wins

H&A vs Solasfera cut
Destinee, Hearts on Fire, Lazare, True Love, Perfect Love, Tolkowsky etc are different brand names for the classic 58 facets H&A cut.
Celestial, Brillant Rose, Rosella, Solasfera are some fancy cuts with more facets.
I like classic design but it's really up to ur preference.
Oh and did anyone tell u more facets to reflect light also means more facets that trap dust and grime? And the faster the stone will lose its lustre due to grime?
SK wins (personal choice)

$2100 vs >$2100
He din state how much he paid at JP, but was below his budget. Highly likely that JP was between $2100 and $2999. How is buying a more expensive diamond which is smaller, yellower, but clearer and more reflective an affordable choice?
SK wins

It is very unlikely you get to compare the diamonds from different shops side by side. But your wives will. They wun be armed wif ASET or Ideal scopes. The wife with a low quality chapalang 75point diamond will be walking away wif a wider smile than those wif a 50 point Perfect Love or Solasfera. Even when armed with a scope, the first thing I overheard was a girl exclaiming "the little hearts are so cute!", not referring to hearts at the bottom of the diamond, but a heart-shaped prong of a SK Perfect Love ring. Women just notice things differently I guess..

Be educated and be wary of paying for luxuries that you may not need.. ;p

Please compare apples and apples for education sake
There's alot of things you mentioned that doesn't make sense

For example a diamond with more facets would trap more dust and lose luster,

If you take a 4 faced faceted diamond, and a 100 facet diamond, over time dust trapped under and everywhere around the 4 faceted diamond would be much more obvious since from the top down you can see dust at the bottom of the diamond as well.

What this means is that a diamond with more light leakage would appear more cloudy with dust since you can actually see dust trapped under. Not the number of facets.

Next, I can simply mention 2 hearts and arrow diamonds 0.41
0.32, but the 0.32 looks bigger than the 0.41 due to the cutting proportion and depth. Carat size does not always win

Same goes for color comparison, higher facets like Gabrielle solasfera etc ( if light leakage is minimal) appears whiter face up.

Clarity, there are so many different kinds, some si1 can appear outright dirty with specks all around the centre of the diamond, some may be hard to detect but have cracks or feathers around the girdle of the diamond which may cause durability issues. Some vs2 even may not be eye clean.

Scopes are not a play thing, just for people to see, it's to help aid people to get a brighter, more brilliant diamond, since every shop has a different lighting setup. This also helps people to buy online via analysis.

He also mentioned about getting the hca for his diamond, which means he got a hearts and arrows not a solasfera

Lastly, chain stores are always more expensive than private Jewelers and online shops, if you compare apples and apples( which you didn't) because of high maintenance

Did you know 2 diamonds (both hearts and arrows) can differ $1,000 in price with same 4cs just because of its proportions?
One looking smaller, more yellow, less bright?

When asking the community to educate themselves, please have the right education first
 

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We got solasfera melees for our wedding bands but honestly I cannot tell the difference coz its too small. See our bands below..

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Congrats, you have a beautiful band there...and that the enamel I suppose ;-), very beautiful and nice concept.

About the meeles, the bling will tell the difference I think ;-)
 

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@Kiosai

Bro, seriously? You're comparing SK and JP? There is so much difference on so many levels.. The only company which I think is on par with JP is Goodoldgold.
 

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Congrats, you have a beautiful band there...and that the enamel I suppose ;-), very beautiful and nice concept.

About the meeles, the bling will tell the difference I think ;-)

Yes, we received it from a very apologetic Jann last Friday and the rings were just as we wanted.. So happy... ;)
 
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