Proposal Ring - Part 2

[lovemilkshake]

Does jann Paul have sapphire?

 

[xiao_cai7]

GIA 2156087490

Any comments for this diamond, i calculated HCA= 5.6


Round Brilliant
Measurements
5.26 - 5.29 x 3.31 mm
Carat Weight
0.57 carat
Color Grade
F
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent

proportions
Depth
62.7 %
Table
58 %
Crown Angle
34.5°
Crown Height
14.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.6°
Pavilion Depth
44.0%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
75%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet
None

finish
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent

Fluorescence
Fluorescence
Medium Blue

clarity characteristics
clarity characteristics
Needle, Pinpoint

 

[Gothika]

Does jann Paul have sapphire?

I saw some of their rings with sapphires on the side.. but not sure if they sell it as the main stone.

 

[Gothika]

GIA 2156087490

Any comments for this diamond, i calculated HCA= 5.6


Round Brilliant
Measurements
5.26 - 5.29 x 3.31 mm
Carat Weight
0.57 carat
Color Grade
F
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent

proportions
Depth
62.7 %
Table
58 %
Crown Angle
34.5°
Crown Height
14.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.6°
Pavilion Depth
44.0%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
75%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet
None

finish
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent

Fluorescence
Fluorescence
Medium Blue

clarity characteristics
clarity characteristics
Needle, Pinpoint

Wah.. HCA 5.6 is very high le... It has medium fluorescence too. No point getting a high color and clarity if the cut is so bad and with fluorescence..
If budget is a concern, can lower the color and clarity. Should try to focus more on the cut

 

[Lurker_13]

nope, the diamond wasnt present to me as super ideal cut. I did use some scope to view the diamond. but wasnt too sure what scope is that. How to justifiy if there's any light leakage?

ASET or Ideal scope images will be able to show how bad the light leakages is in a diamond. Only few jewelers can provide these images, you can try requesting from your jeweler for it. Are you particularly looking for a H&A? Otherwise the diamond in question may not be a Super Ideal Cut H&A diamond, but may still be a stunning stone. Have you seen the stone in person under different light conditions?

 

[lexlim0475]

ASET or Ideal scope images will be able to show how bad the light leakages is in a diamond. Only few jewelers can provide these images, you can try requesting from your jeweler for it. Are you particularly looking for a H&A? Otherwise the diamond in question may not be a Super Ideal Cut H&A diamond, but may still be a stunning stone. Have you seen the stone in person under different light conditions?

The scope i used was to see the hearts and arrow, but probably because i dont even know there's a light leakage even if i saw them. I shall ask from them. In this case, does this stone still worth 4.1k?

 

[hollander]

The scope i used was to see the hearts and arrow, but probably because i dont even know there's a light leakage even if i saw them. I shall ask from them. In this case, does this stone still worth 4.1k?

Assuming that you only use the h&a scope, i suppose that they are showing to you the hearts and arrows pattern, though they are not claiming that it is indeed a H&A diamond or super ideal diamond.

BTW from which store is this?

For the comparison on the pricing, since we have BlueNile (I am not promoting BlueNile nor I am connected to it), having the same specs or better because it is from their Signature Ideal range, here are the diamonds and the prices to give you an idea.

The price given to you is not far from the online price, but the thing is how good is BlueNile's Signature Ideal (3EX) compare to the 3EX diamond that you are considering.

The only advantage you have is that, you have the time in this world to see the diamond in person. Im not sure if BlueNile can give you the Scope images of the diamond.

 

[Lurker_13]

Adding on to what hollander has posted, the diamond may not be a TRUE H&A diamond (my guess lah). The diamond may display the H&A pattern, but if you look closely there maybe perhaps 1 or 2 of the arrow heads that are not straight or aligned or perhaps there are 1 or 2 hearts that are not same size? Again it will be good if your jeweler can provide the images.

Here's some reading on H&A from gog. Round Hearts & Arrows - GoodOldGold.com

 

[hollander]

The scope i used was to see the hearts and arrow, but probably because i dont even know there's a light leakage even if i saw them. I shall ask from them. In this case, does this stone still worth 4.1k?

This is another good comparison.... WF ACA Diamond

FVS2 .64 S$4.3K (I am not saying you to buy this, it is only for comparison)

Diamond | 0.643 ct F VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 2960085

 

[lexlim0475]

Thanks Hollander & Lurker for your feedback, info and advice. this dealer was introduced by a friend of mine. I guess i wont mention the name. Anyway I've made an appointment with jp this weekend. Maybe i can do some comparsion after my visit.

 

[hollander]

Thanks Hollander & Lurker for your feedback, info and advice. this dealer was introduced by a friend of mine. I guess i wont mention the name. Anyway I've made an appointment with jp this weekend. Maybe i can do some comparsion after my visit.

Do as much comparison as you can before deciding Bro.

 

[StephenTan_1]

Gabrielle & Tolkowsky Diamonds - Certification

Hi Cotton1,

Thank you for mentioning our store and diamonds in this forum. I had not logged in for quite a while, and have only come across your interesting compilation.

I would like to add a few points to your observations:

Charlotte (Wisma)
Famous for the Tolkowsky diamond cut, their Signature diamond (also 57 facets).
He is famous diamond cutter to come up with the Ideal proportions of a diamond in the 1900s.

They've also got another diamond called the Gabrielle cut (105 facets). Almost double the facets of a normal round!
They did a diamond comparison for me with the Gabrielle and a 57 facet diamond. The Gabrielle looked much better.. However, the 57 facet diamond they used for comparison was not their Tolkowsky cut, but a lower quality one. (I realized alot of shops do this with their special cuts.. using a lousy 57 facets against their higher faceted diamond).

One thing I discovered though is none of their diamonds are GIA certified. They use their own certificate called the Tolkowsky or Gabrielle cert.. essentially, they certify their own diamonds. The lady explained to me that diamonds with these certificates would appreciate in value over the years because their certificates are more special and limited.. Personally, I'm not too sure about that.

Actually, Gabrielle Diamonds (by Sir Gabi Tolkowsky) are graded by Diamant PrufLabor (DPL), which uses the International Diamond Council (IDC) rules in their diamond grading. These are the same grading rules as those used by HRD. The Gabrielle Certificate is actually an authenticity certificate carrying the signature of Sir Gabi Tolkowsky.

When you place a Gabrielle Diamond side-by-side with an Ideal-Cut or a Hears & Arrows Triple-Ex diamond, you may notice that the Gabrielle appears up to 2 grades "whiter" and "clearer" to the naked eye. This is an optical effect from the faceting patterns of the Gabrielle creating more internal reflection and refraction, and finally reflecting out of the diamond.

You will also see significantly greater scintillation in a Gabrielle for the same reasons, and we have done a "Light Study" that showed a Gabrielle Diamond appeared 3 times as sparkly as an Ideal-Cut diamond.

Tolkowsky Diamonds is a brand by Jean Paul Tolkowsky (son of Sir Gabi Tolkowsky), who pioneered the current Hearts & Arrows trend more than a decade ago in Japan. Jean-Paul is the 7th generation in the Tolkowsky family, which is the oldest family in the diamond world. Tolkowsky Diamonds are fully certified by GIA.

I hope to have cleared up the question on certification here.

Also, I am pleased to inform you that we have just opened a new multi-brand jewelry atelier STARFIRE Solitaire Diamonds at Suntec City #01-367.

This new store will have a greater selection of Gabrielle, Tolkowsky, Spirit-Sun and Context Diamonds, as well as unique collections from NIESSING, pioneers of the tension ring (see below).

Thank you and best regards,
Stephen Tan

 

[Lurker_13]

GIA 2156087490

Any comments for this diamond, i calculated HCA= 5.6


Round Brilliant
Measurements
5.26 - 5.29 x 3.31 mm
Carat Weight
0.57 carat
Color Grade
F
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent

proportions
Depth
62.7 %
Table
58 %
Crown Angle
34.5°
Crown Height
14.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.6°
Pavilion Depth
44.0%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
75%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet
None

finish
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent

Fluorescence
Fluorescence
Medium Blue

clarity characteristics
clarity characteristics
Needle, Pinpoint

The diamond cld b a steep/deep. Wld b gd to hve the ideal scope image to see the extent of light leakage. Hve u seen the diamond?

 

[zeally]

GIA 2156087490

Any comments for this diamond, i calculated HCA= 5.6


Round Brilliant
Measurements
5.26 - 5.29 x 3.31 mm
Carat Weight
0.57 carat
Color Grade
F
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent

proportions
Depth
62.7 %
Table
58 %
Crown Angle
34.5°
Crown Height
14.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.6°
Pavilion Depth
44.0%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
75%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet
None

finish
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent

Fluorescence
Fluorescence
Medium Blue

clarity characteristics
clarity characteristics
Needle, Pinpoint

In my opinion do not buy this diamond unless due to budget constraints. This would most probably be a common GIA triple ex. You can drop the colour and the clarity grade to get a better cut. For your size, anything VS2 and above for clarity is very safe. For colours, different people would have different opinion. My opinion would be to get GHIJ colour diamonds as they are the more value for money diamonds. Seriously I think that once mounted on a ring, it is not that easy to tell apart the colour and it would be quite white. (graders grade diamond against a white background, but in a ring, it is not often that you have a white background for your ring). However, if you are selecting a diamond of a lower colour grade, be sure to see that there is no brown tinges on it. It gives the "rusty" feeling and I do not like it.

 

[zeally]

Assuming that you only use the h&a scope, i suppose that they are showing to you the hearts and arrows pattern, though they are not claiming that it is indeed a H&A diamond or super ideal diamond.

BTW from which store is this?

For the comparison on the pricing, since we have BlueNile (I am not promoting BlueNile nor I am connected to it), having the same specs or better because it is from their Signature Ideal range, here are the diamonds and the prices to give you an idea.

The price given to you is not far from the online price, but the thing is how good is BlueNile's Signature Ideal (3EX) compare to the 3EX diamond that you are considering.

The only advantage you have is that, you have the time in this world to see the diamond in person. Im not sure if BlueNile can give you the Scope images of the diamond.

Bluenile does not provides any real diamond photos nor scope images or anything else. I have contacted them before via email to confirm this. Buying from Bluenile is just trusting the brand since it is huge company and relatively reliable based on many good reviews (though it has it shares of bad ones too). But you must factor in GST prices if you buy from Bluenile.

 

[aLpHa-Ev7]

To bros that are considering to buy from Bluenile, under the diamond selector, limit to only "Signature Ideal". The diamonds with this cut has a GCAL report, which you can download the PDF and view the optical symmetry scope image, as well as inspect the H&A for the view on the bottom pavilion.

That's something i came across when i was searching for my diamond as well. Of cos it will also bump up the pricing due to it being Blue Nile Signature Ideal cut, but at least it ensures you get a well cut diamond without seeing it physically. Hope it helps.

Example:

Bluenile Diamond URL: Search for Diamonds by Shape, Size, Quality & Price | Blue Nile

 

[GamerZ]

Hi all,

I am totally noob on all this. For around S$2k, am I able to get a decent size proposal ring ?

If so, can please recommend ? Thanks

 

[hollander]

Hi all,

I am totally noob on all this. For around S$2k, am I able to get a decent size proposal ring ?

If so, can please recommend ? Thanks

Hi,

Just recently one of our bro here just did, a .42ct diamond solitaire. Thats thru online, not sure if you preferred the same.

I think local shops can offer the same online or not.

 

[GamerZ]

Hi,

Just recently one of our bro here just did, a .42ct diamond solitaire. Thats thru online, not sure if you preferred the same.

I think local shops can offer the same online or not.

I don't mind buying from BlueNile (did some reading from this thread).

My only concern would be resizing of the ring. How does BlueNile deals with the resizing ? Do we have to send back to the states for them to do the resizing and how will the shipping charges be like ?

Anyone did resizing with BlueNile before ?

 

[hollander]

I don't mind buying from BlueNile (did some reading from this thread).

My only concern would be resizing of the ring. How does BlueNile deals with the resizing ? Do we have to send back to the states for them to do the resizing and how will the shipping charges be like ?

Anyone did resizing with BlueNile before ?

From Blue Nile:

"Free Resizing

Blue Nile provides complimentary resizing for Build Your Own Rings®, and Diamond Bands when within the manufacturer's recommended sizing range, during the first year. Simply contact a Diamond & Jewellery Consultant at 001800 2200 2100 to arrange for your free resize."

If there's no way of knowing her exact size it would be a bit complicated but as always you can arrange with the online shop on how can you do re-sizing, I guess you need to pay the courier fee two way, resizing fee is free though but the hassle and returning back and forth.

Or you can do the resizing here in SG but I'm not sure how much would it be here in SG, though usually re-sizing is free when you bought the ring from the local shop. And one thing to note, would it void something from the online shop once you had it done outside their scope.

You can ask one from her family member to get the size or her best friend or trick her, bring her to a fashion jewellery shop or a silver shop, then try to fit some ring, then later ask the sales person for the size...the last tip worked for me.