Proposal Ring - Part 3

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DerekTsang

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JannPaul does carry the top-of-the-line jewels. But you are expected to pay for it.

If your budget is 3K and below and since your requirements aren't that high, IMO, go for a private jeweller.

I visited a Josi Gems before I settled on JP.
His jems are GIA certified Triple-Ex (doesn't count for much), HCA <1.4, eye-clean (VS2 min and only white/grey inclusions).
I do not recall seeing ASET and Ideal scope, but you can try and ask him. He can also do somewhat custom setting - you provide the pictures, his supplier will replicate.

I think he has a great compromise over price and perceived quality but definitely do not have the bell and whistles of JP.

*I eventually did not buy from him because damn the Super Ideal are glittery.

Hi thank you for these info!
I have no idea about these ASET and scope but i'll find out more about it.
and i dono what you mean by bell and whistles either.
Yea definitely will look for some good private jeweller.
 

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If not, sacrifice on your lifestyle for a month or 2 and increase your Budget a little lor. Try not to get anything below ideal, it kinda look bad.

Wah bro, need to sacrifice so much for a small piece of carbon or not bro?
 

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Hi thank you for these info!
I have no idea about these ASET and scope but i'll find out more about it.
and i dono what you mean by bell and whistles either.
Yea definitely will look for some good private jeweller.

Actually I think if you really want something below ideal, JP could probably help you with it and charges lesser than other jeweller. I always trust JP because they will never rip customer off and since they are not commission based, you know for sure you are being served by genuine diamond lover.

Another cheap option will be online like whiteflash, blue nile etc, but I don't find it being much cheaper considering the fact that you can't see the diamond, you have to pay gst, less after sale service as they are not in Singapore, upgrade policy require you to pay shipping and insurance back to them etc.

As for the rest of the local private Jewellers, I've encountered most of them and to be honest, they can sell you cheap diamond BUT the quality is real bad and I don't trust them.
 
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Wah bro, need to sacrifice so much for a small piece of carbon or not bro?

Haha bro, cut down on restaurants/alcohol/cigg for couple months to get a nicer bling for proposal, worth it la, it's something sentimental, she and her friends and family will see for decades, rather than some food and alcohol which gone in mins.
 

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I disagree. Just buy to the individual's limit. Gems can always upgrade later.
I rather spend on memories and experience over material.

I'll spend on all 3. It's up to individual how much they willing to save and spend on marriage etc. Hardly anyone will upgrade proposal ring one, so I'll rather get one settle once and for all.

I'm just giving him an idea that it's not hard to adjust your lifestyle abit to just save 500-1000 more and get a bigger and nicer rock to surprise partner. The additional is only like recontracting a new iphone. But ultimately depends on individual la

Edit: don't get me wrong ah, I'm not saying sacrifice the quality and experience spent with gf, I'm saying lower own expenses e.g drinking / feasting with Bros.
 
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I disagree. Just buy to the individual's limit. Gems can always upgrade later.
I rather spend on memories and experience over material.

The gem can upgrade part also not necessarily. I know JP got diamond trade-in policy but I don't think I will ever bear to let the actual proposal rock go ... got sentimental value liao :3
 

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Just wanna add on to the conversation here.

As the other HWZers have spoken, everyone here is looking for the better diamond at the best price point that they can get. Here's a detailed breakdown on why I went for JP in the end:

I was looking at a range of 0.5-0.7c diamonds for the engagement ring.
After visiting MT, eClarity, Vivo, JP and the standard BnM shops, I nailed it down to a 0.6 carat as my sweet spot.

Compared the diamonds at JP and the other local retailers and found that the service offered at JP was great and the SA (Ranjit) was not pushy at all. I actually learnt and had great advice from him as well.

For referemce, here's a comparison done with other signature lines from WF and BG.
nNzieJF.png


In the end, I went with JP because it was:
- getting a better diamond compared to the Signature lines online
- their Super Ideal Cut is really no horse run. Sometimes you can even save more $$ if you can get the SA to find you an Ideal Cut that was not categorised under SIC due to their stringent QC (I was unlucky not to be offered this option)
- I was willing to pay 5-10% over online price to have the legwork done for me
- 100% lifetime trade-in value compared to getting the Signature cuts from local retailers
- relatively cheaper compared to getting it online (maybe cheapest if you get your foreign colleague to bring it out of Singapore and claim GST relief ;))
- get to see, feel and touch the diamond and check it under the loupe before you buy
- have additional stuff like 2 free resizes, free polishing and the option to customize the setting if I wanted to (but I didn't and went with a standard setting).
- free diamond education lesson with JP if you're not inclined to learn online first

Anyway, here's the link to the diamonds referred in the Excel sheet
Brian Gavin Black 0.593 F VS1
Whiteflash ACA 0.6 F VS1
JannPaul SIC 0.6 E VS1

Nice comparison and glad that you made a good purchase.
I would've picked the same as felt that it is worthed to pay the premium for seeing the diamond itself.
 

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He is actually not paying any premium, JP is E Color as compared to the other 2..so it's actually better value. I'm quite surprised tho, from what I remember, comparing the same specs, JP should still be couple hundreds more than the online price but in this case it's actually more value, hmm

Edit: ok I think I know why, back then when I was comparing, Brian Gavin doesn't have the 'Super ideal' standard black line, which is why JP seems to be slightly priced higher back then, now they jacked the price higher for a stricter criteria black line so kinda kills the point Liao

PS: I also noticed the ring setting price for WF abit too high for the comparison? If I'm not wrong WF's ACA series should be slightly cheaper than JP's Super Ideal
 
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Just wanna add on to the conversation here.

As the other HWZers have spoken, everyone here is looking for the better diamond at the best price point that they can get. Here's a detailed breakdown on why I went for JP in the end:

I was looking at a range of 0.5-0.7c diamonds for the engagement ring.
After visiting MT, eClarity, Vivo, JP and the standard BnM shops, I nailed it down to a 0.6 carat as my sweet spot.

Compared the diamonds at JP and the other local retailers and found that the service offered at JP was great and the SA (Ranjit) was not pushy at all. I actually learnt and had great advice from him as well.

For referemce, here's a comparison done with other signature lines from WF and BG.
nNzieJF.png


In the end, I went with JP because it was:
- getting a better diamond compared to the Signature lines online
- their Super Ideal Cut is really no horse run. Sometimes you can even save more $$ if you can get the SA to find you an Ideal Cut that was not categorised under SIC due to their stringent QC (I was unlucky not to be offered this option)
- I was willing to pay 5-10% over online price to have the legwork done for me
- 100% lifetime trade-in value compared to getting the Signature cuts from local retailers
- relatively cheaper compared to getting it online (maybe cheapest if you get your foreign colleague to bring it out of Singapore and claim GST relief ;))
- get to see, feel and touch the diamond and check it under the loupe before you buy
- have additional stuff like 2 free resizes, free polishing and the option to customize the setting if I wanted to (but I didn't and went with a standard setting).
- free diamond education lesson with JP if you're not inclined to learn online first

Anyway, here's the link to the diamonds referred in the Excel sheet
Brian Gavin Black 0.593 F VS1
Whiteflash ACA 0.6 F VS1
JannPaul SIC 0.6 E VS1

this bring back memories. back my time, there was only whiteflash that had those scopes online. i was surprised jp prices was comparable with them as online shopping is usually cheaper. now its even cheaper!
 

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He is actually not paying any premium, JP is E Color as compared to the other 2..so it's actually better value. I'm quite surprised tho, from what I remember, comparing the same specs, JP should still be couple hundreds more than the online price but in this case it's actually more value, hmm

Edit: ok I think I know why, back then when I was comparing, Brian Gavin doesn't have the 'Super ideal' standard black line, which is why JP seems to be slightly priced higher back then, now they jacked the price higher for a stricter criteria black line so kinda kills the point Liao

PS: I also noticed the ring setting price for WF abit too high for the comparison? If I'm not wrong WF's ACA series should be slightly cheaper than JP's Super Ideal

setting prices online is more expensive. i think thats where they try to recover their $$ from. most of the time, people have no choice to buy the setting with the diamond unless you plan to just propose with the diamond only. lol. if not they need to find another place to set the diamond whch is abit more troublesome.

for online, you will also have to ship back the ring to them if you want them to polish or resize your ring which will add up the costs.
i had to resize my ring 2 times with jp. 1st time was wrong ring size, 2nd time was when my wife got pregnant :s13:
 

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If your budget is 3k, don't bother with the Ideal Cuts. Getting something like 0.3/0.4 carat with Ideal Cut is not worth the money. At a small size level, you hardly tell the difference.

Bump up your carat to as close as 0.5 as possible, prioritise cut at min. triple excellent, and compromise on the color and clarity. Sacrifice clarity first, then color.

Bro where can get cheap, big and good diamonds?
 

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Hey thank you all for the comment! Very informative indeed!
Yea i'll tell them my budget is <3k but willing to pay a bit more if thats worthy
 

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setting prices online is more expensive. i think thats where they try to recover their $$ from. most of the time, people have no choice to buy the setting with the diamond unless you plan to just propose with the diamond only. lol. if not they need to find another place to set the diamond whch is abit more troublesome.

for online, you will also have to ship back the ring to them if you want them to polish or resize your ring which will add up the costs.
i had to resize my ring 2 times with jp. 1st time was wrong ring size, 2nd time was when my wife got pregnant :s13:

Eh then after give birth and back slim how?
 

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setting prices online is more expensive. i think thats where they try to recover their $$ from. most of the time, people have no choice to buy the setting with the diamond unless you plan to just propose with the diamond only. lol. if not they need to find another place to set the diamond whch is abit more troublesome.

for online, you will also have to ship back the ring to them if you want them to polish or resize your ring which will add up the costs.
i had to resize my ring 2 times with jp. 1st time was wrong ring size, 2nd time was when my wife got pregnant :s13:

Haha I've forgotten what's the range for their ring setting price Liao, in fact I think I've always only been comparing diamond price without setting, but I've settled with JP because only couple hundreds more (for a 1 carat+) and at least the diamond and store is local...easily get it resized, polish and free ring customisation and JP Super ideal is confirmed to be the top range as compared to online, their top range varies a lot hence no matter how I see it, it's still the best bang from JP.

If anyone really found somewhere better as a whole, I'm very interested to know, so I can recommend my friends elsewhere if really better haha
 

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Haha I've forgotten what's the range for their ring setting price Liao, in fact I think I've always only been comparing diamond price without setting, but I've settled with JP because only couple hundreds more (for a 1 carat+) and at least the diamond and store is local...easily get it resized, polish and free ring customisation and JP Super ideal is confirmed to be the top range as compared to online, their top range varies a lot hence no matter how I see it, it's still the best bang from JP.

If anyone really found somewhere better as a whole, I'm very interested to know, so I can recommend my friends elsewhere if really better haha

well, i cant help you there. i got mine from jp too. lol
i still think the next best option is probably whiteflash. though i still think jp gives better value overall
 
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