Proposal Ring - Part 3

[dearmisterj]

understand JP's diamonds are all in tip top quality but just wanna ask u guys for opinion. is this diamond good? thks!

its nice and symmetrical.. VVS1/2 at least i presume?

 

[lonestar86]

its nice and symmetrical.. VVS1/2 at least i presume?

thank you! it's VS1

how do u tell its clarity from the scopes/hca?

 

[dearmisterj]

thank you! it's VS1

how do u tell its clarity from the scopes/hca?

haha i dont think you could do that exactly without examining the incursions on the diamond.. however the symmetry on this one seems to be one of the better ones ive seen around so i am assuming the clarity on this is quite high? just a guess

 

[josie91]

How do we know whether the staff who serve us is from HOH or JP? Any difference?

 

[loon1991]

Thanks for the reply.

I summary the diamond again for information.

I get two offer as below.

1st
- JANN PAUL
0.30ct G VS2 with simple 18k setting -$2,000
(Forgot the GIA report but i believe they are only selling high quality diamond)8 arrow and hearts are excellent optical symmetry

2nd
- MEYSON
0.40ct F SI1 with simple 18k setting -$1975 (Refer below for more infomation)

Eight arrows are excellent optical symmetry, since it come with ring itself, it is unable to view the eight heart.
GIA-2226667094, Triple Excellent with feather inclusion
HCA Score - 0.80 Triple Excellent factor and "Very Good" for spread factor
SIG Certificate - Triple Excellent for Briallance, Dispersion and Scintillation
(SIGMA International Gemology Laboratory)


So guys, will you prefer the diamond from Jannpaul with 0.30ct or Meyson with 0.40ct?

 

[VaLLeceR]

Thanks for the reply.

I summary the diamond again for information.

I get two offer as below.

1st
- JANN PAUL
0.30ct G VS2 with simple 18k setting -$2,000
(Forgot the GIA report but i believe they are only selling high quality diamond)8 arrow and hearts are excellent optical symmetry

2nd
- MEYSON
0.40ct F SI1 with simple 18k setting -$1975 (Refer below for more infomation)

Eight arrows are excellent optical symmetry, since it come with ring itself, it is unable to view the eight heart.
GIA-2226667094, Triple Excellent with feather inclusion
HCA Score - 0.80 Triple Excellent factor and "Very Good" for spread factor
SIG Certificate - Triple Excellent for Briallance, Dispersion and Scintillation
(SIGMA International Gemology Laboratory)


So guys, will you prefer the diamond from Jannpaul with 0.30ct or Meyson with 0.40ct?

SIGMA and GIA is very different and not the same standard. SIGMA represents EGL in Asia - http://www.eglasia.com.hk/SN/img/pr_june_21_2009.pdf

EGL is in hot waters and has a bad reputation for inconsistent gradings. They were exposed in US for severely over grading diamonds. That probably explains the price difference.

I would still with GIA or AGS.

 

[KinoChoco]

Thanks for the reply.

I summary the diamond again for information.

I get two offer as below.

1st
- JANN PAUL
0.30ct G VS2 with simple 18k setting -$2,000
(Forgot the GIA report but i believe they are only selling high quality diamond)8 arrow and hearts are excellent optical symmetry

2nd
- MEYSON
0.40ct F SI1 with simple 18k setting -$1975 (Refer below for more infomation)

Eight arrows are excellent optical symmetry, since it come with ring itself, it is unable to view the eight heart.
GIA-2226667094, Triple Excellent with feather inclusion
HCA Score - 0.80 Triple Excellent factor and "Very Good" for spread factor
SIG Certificate - Triple Excellent for Briallance, Dispersion and Scintillation
(SIGMA International Gemology Laboratory)


So guys, will you prefer the diamond from Jannpaul with 0.30ct or Meyson with 0.40ct?

SIGMA and GIA is very different and not the same standard. SIGMA represents EGL in Asia - http://www.eglasia.com.hk/SN/img/pr_june_21_2009.pdf

EGL is in hot waters and has a bad reputation for inconsistent gradings. They were exposed in US for severely over grading diamonds. That probably explains the price difference.

I would still with GIA or AGS.

Agree but....i really don't recommend only getting a 0.3, honestly speaking, most ladies wouldn't be all that happy getting a 0.3.

Certs aside, check both the diamonds in different lighting and ensure the diamond looks 'clear' and not cloudy.

I assume the DMeyson one is graded as their 'hearts & arrow" series? If this is the case, the quality should be decent, at least an 'ideal' grading in Jann Paul's standard.

Alternatively, you can check with Jann paul again and see whether you can get anything bigger for G color VS2 under the 'ideal' category and not 'super ideal' and see how's the price like.

 

[loon1991]

Hi VaLLeceR,

Ya. I got what you meant. The diamond offered by D'Meyson came with GIA as well. Just they provided additional certificate which was from SIGMA.


Hi Kino,

Yup. The diamond ring is the " Starr Heart and Arrow " series at D'Meyson. It is not cloudy in the lighting. But unfortunately they did not have ASET scope to view the diamond. They only have the normal scope to see whether the 8 arrows are excellent optical symmetry.

But, i think i will probably buy the diamond offered by D'Meyson.

 

[josie91]

How do we check if the diamond is cloudy in lighting? By naked eyes?

Hi VaLLeceR,

Ya. I got what you meant. The diamond offered by D'Meyson came with GIA as well. Just they provided additional certificate which was from SIGMA.


Hi Kino,

Yup. The diamond ring is the " Starr Heart and Arrow " series at D'Meyson. It is not cloudy in the lighting. But unfortunately they did not have ASET scope to view the diamond. They only have the normal scope to see whether the 8 arrows are excellent optical symmetry.

But, i think i will probably buy the diamond offered by D'Meyson.

 

[dearmisterj]

Hi VaLLeceR,

Ya. I got what you meant. The diamond offered by D'Meyson came with GIA as well. Just they provided additional certificate which was from SIGMA.


Hi Kino,

Yup. The diamond ring is the " Starr Heart and Arrow " series at D'Meyson. It is not cloudy in the lighting. But unfortunately they did not have ASET scope to view the diamond. They only have the normal scope to see whether the 8 arrows are excellent optical symmetry.

But, i think i will probably buy the diamond offered by D'Meyson.

Think some bros in this forum has an ASET scope.. can try to borrow.. I too suggest that you try asking JP for their ideal range as per what one of the comments below suggested. I've seen some bros here who purchased the ideal range from JP at pretty competitive prices, with scopes that were pretty good

 

[KinoChoco]

Hi VaLLeceR,

Ya. I got what you meant. The diamond offered by D'Meyson came with GIA as well. Just they provided additional certificate which was from SIGMA.


Hi Kino,

Yup. The diamond ring is the " Starr Heart and Arrow " series at D'Meyson. It is not cloudy in the lighting. But unfortunately they did not have ASET scope to view the diamond. They only have the normal scope to see whether the 8 arrows are excellent optical symmetry.

But, i think i will probably buy the diamond offered by D'Meyson.

If you have the time, do try go down check the price for 0.4 G VS2 ideal cut under Jann Paul, else you can email them for the price, they are very responsive. If the price range exceed your budget then you can go ahead with d meyson, I do know they offer very very competitive pricing, down point is that they belongs to 'ideal' range (which might explain why they don't have ASET scope...after all, why will they offer a scope that shows their top range diamond being imperfect.) however if you're lucky, you might get a great piece out of their H&A range.

 

[Ice.Ice]

Hi VaLLeceR,

Ya. I got what you meant. The diamond offered by D'Meyson came with GIA as well. Just they provided additional certificate which was from SIGMA.


Hi Kino,

Yup. The diamond ring is the " Starr Heart and Arrow " series at D'Meyson. It is not cloudy in the lighting. But unfortunately they did not have ASET scope to view the diamond. They only have the normal scope to see whether the 8 arrows are excellent optical symmetry.

But, i think i will probably buy the diamond offered by D'Meyson.

I wouldn't get the diamond without seeing it with the ASET scope first. Hearts and arrows can be symmetrical but it doesn't mean anything without the ASET scope. JP has a video explaining that

If possible, I will stick to VS2 up. The SI1s diamonds I see have a lot of inclusions on the diamond's corners. Especially for feather types of inclusions, if they are at the corner, the diamond can chip easily.

 

[peanutbutter1990]

Hi all!

Gotten my scope images. Any feedback would be appreciated! (help with embedding images would be appreciated too )

i've taken interest in another 0.664 Octagon G VS1 which is $100 cheaper then the diamond below. Not sure if i should sacrifice color and clarity for a bigger diamond.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4B3ZEopqFbWTNaLVdVM1JlMkgxRmI2MzBVb0gtNXppY1BB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4B3ZEopqFbSnVWMWx0OTZMM1lXdXZaMmxYa3hlUVlVNkJn

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4B3ZEopqFbUTVCRnltZlJkQ1BVc2d1V29lSmlkZ21PMmNB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4B3ZEopqFbeGx4Q2NqTUZwUDF2UU1QNFp5M3BQVzdNbkl3

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4B3ZEopqFbZUptZW1sdzRkbXdLMmVsbE82R2NBQ24yLTBN

any advise on the above? thanks!

 

[lonestar86]

How do we know whether the staff who serve us is from HOH or JP? Any difference?

based on their name card? no differ cus HOH and JP are run by the same family. Father is running HOH while son and partner are running JP.

 

[Lynntoh]

That's quite a big difference.

GIA or AGS won't affect much on the pricing right? Cause my diamond is from AGS

mine is from AGS too, can I know when did you buy the diamond?

 

[josie91]

Hi all Pros,

After all these years of following the thread, finally went to JP recently and as expected, tip top services. Just gotten my scope, maybe I am being too paranoid over the diamond I have chosen.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToWWJ2aXpvM294b000OXNmVWU5WWo2OGkxNzFJ

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToQjRqYlkwMlVHc1lHME4zNXpSVTFNR1FUZ240

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToZUhwOWV1c3VRWVNjUjU3Y2xEUmNhd0J2Yy1r

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToYzhBQmRKVXg1UzBjMEJvblZFOE1ST0ZPOTlr

I seem to find the gap between the hearts and arrow very very close to each other, unlike others' heart and arrow scope having a substantial gap.

The depth of the diamond is over 62% at 62.1%, is it not so ideal?

Also, just find it weird that this diamond has not been taken since last year end. Any issue with the scope that any pros can spot??

Thanks so much=)

 

[naxnaxnax]

Hi all Pros,

After all these years of following the thread, finally went to JP recently and as expected, tip top services. Just gotten my scope, maybe I am being too paranoid over the diamond I have chosen.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToWWJ2aXpvM294b000OXNmVWU5WWo2OGkxNzFJ

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToQjRqYlkwMlVHc1lHME4zNXpSVTFNR1FUZ240

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToZUhwOWV1c3VRWVNjUjU3Y2xEUmNhd0J2Yy1r

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToYzhBQmRKVXg1UzBjMEJvblZFOE1ST0ZPOTlr

I seem to find the gap between the hearts and arrow very very close to each other, unlike others' heart and arrow scope having a substantial gap.

The depth of the diamond is over 62% at 62.1%, is it not so ideal?

Also, just find it weird that this diamond has not been taken since last year end. Any issue with the scope that any pros can spot??

Thanks so much=)

This is probably a HOH diamond, cuz it's H colour. JP cuts off at G. But H isn't necessarily a bad colour. Cartier cuts off at H. Tiffany cuts off at I.

Scopes look okay I think. If you get a good price, by all means go for it!

 

[KinoChoco]

Hi all Pros,

After all these years of following the thread, finally went to JP recently and as expected, tip top services. Just gotten my scope, maybe I am being too paranoid over the diamond I have chosen.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToWWJ2aXpvM294b000OXNmVWU5WWo2OGkxNzFJ

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToQjRqYlkwMlVHc1lHME4zNXpSVTFNR1FUZ240

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToZUhwOWV1c3VRWVNjUjU3Y2xEUmNhd0J2Yy1r

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ASL3D7ChToYzhBQmRKVXg1UzBjMEJvblZFOE1ST0ZPOTlr

I seem to find the gap between the hearts and arrow very very close to each other, unlike others' heart and arrow scope having a substantial gap.

The depth of the diamond is over 62% at 62.1%, is it not so ideal?

Also, just find it weird that this diamond has not been taken since last year end. Any issue with the scope that any pros can spot??

Thanks so much=)

This is not super ideal yeah? Just ideal or?

 

[fir3bon3]

Hi all Pros,

After all these years of following the thread, finally went to JP recently and as expected, tip top services. Just gotten my scope, maybe I am being too paranoid over the diamond I have chosen.

I seem to find the gap between the hearts and arrow very very close to each other, unlike others' heart and arrow scope having a substantial gap.

The depth of the diamond is over 62% at 62.1%, is it not so ideal?

Also, just find it weird that this diamond has not been taken since last year end. Any issue with the scope that any pros can spot??

Thanks so much=)

The gap between the hearts and arrows are fine, impt thing is that it is symmetrical.

Also, the 62% depth only applies to the Super Ideal Cut, not the Solasfera.
I got a Solasfera myself and the scope images looks good to me~ No need to worry about the performance of the diamond.

 

[KinoChoco]

This is probably a HOH diamond, cuz it's H colour. JP cuts off at G. But H isn't necessarily a bad colour. Cartier cuts off at H. Tiffany cuts off at I.

Scopes look okay I think. If you get a good price, by all means go for it!

Both of us made an mistake, it's a solasfera cut...the price should be above super ideal.