Proposal Ring - Part 3

[Miltah]

Yes, they will take the diamond at the original price you bought less 7% GST. Even if you decided to upgrade after a few years, they will still take it at the original price - GST.

After 2 years:
- it’s less GST
- less recertification cost ($200-300)
- less scrap value of metal ($50-100 for white gold)

 

[theisaboy]

wow.. 3 month is very recent indeed. Have you tried on a 1.5ct one?
Yes, they will take the diamond at the original price you bought less 7% GST. Even if you decided to upgrade after a few years, they will still take it at the original price - GST.

And yes, G VS2 is a very good value for money. I can definitely see the color difference between my previous E and my current G, but G is still very white from the top and SIC is super sparkly. I bet no one else would be able to see the difference once it's worn.

In my case, they did not reuse my old setting for my new one because I only gave my old ring and certificate when I collected my new ring. I explicitly requested that as I don't want to have a waiting period where I won't be wearing any e-Ring.
But I guess if you don't mind they can reuse the white gold and the small diamonds pave from your old ring to make a new ring for you and in that case maybe you can negotiate to pay only for the labour cost?

I believe should have quite a few options available for 1.5ct. It's probably harder to find 1.8-1.9ct range but 1.5ct shouldn't be an issue. You can also request for them to check if their cutter have any upcoming diamond currently in production that may fall within your spec. @tostring just got a 1.59ct G VS2 from their recent shipment so I think they should have some other new stocks too.

Who's your Sales person at JP? I found them to be quite responsive and will reply to my email within the same day or H+1 at max

Perhaps the communication was done on whatsapp, that's why it was slow. I am not the only one who felt this way. My friend actually went with another jeweller because of the slow of response. Quite unbelievable right? Maybe it's one of the rare cases. Not so nice to reveal the name as I suppose.

I suppose we wouldn't want any waiting period as well. Before you explicitly requested so, did they have to take back your e-ring for the upgrade?

I feel that G VS2 is good enough. As what you said ,value for money. It looks superby white and clean probably due to the cut and the tan nature of my other half haha.

 

[seanong06]

I was offered 2x resizing and unlimited cleaning

Hi! Have you get any after sales service from JP before? Do they check whether you’re the purchaser of the diamond ring before they allow you to get the services?

 

[AgentVX]

Wah response so fierce. You guys being paid by JP ah? Of course every retailer will use all their marketing tools to convince you that their products are the best. All this scope and hearts/arrows stuff... but if there's barely any difference with the naked eye, then why pay so much more?



Ultimately size is the most important factor for most people. Which one do you think your woman would prefer to tell people:
1 - "oh, my fiancee paid more for a smaller 0.8 ct diamond because it had 'super ideal cut' and top specs"
2 - "oh yes, it's a 1ct diamond"



Answer seems pretty obvious to me.

Reading thru the forum u will know that a GIA triple excellent grading is next to worthless.

I can get u the same stones with same specs at a discount too but does it perform as well?

Sounds like eC****** to me lol.

Based on GIA Certs specs, you can even get from places like Bluenile. Also definitely cheaper than JP. But one look at the images and you'll know they (Bluenile diamonds) are crap as compared to JP's.

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Of course you can argue that Bluenile takes shittier picture, and JP takes better picture. Could potentially be true, idk. You're free to rotate the diamonds around in Bluenile website. So feel free to rotate it around.

 

[Miltah]

Wah response so fierce. You guys being paid by JP ah? Of course every retailer will use all their marketing tools to convince you that their products are the best. All this scope and hearts/arrows stuff... but if there's barely any difference with the naked eye, then why pay so much more?



Ultimately size is the most important factor for most people. Which one do you think your woman would prefer to tell people:
1 - "oh, my fiancee paid more for a smaller 0.8 ct diamond because it had 'super ideal cut' and top specs"
2 - "oh yes, it's a 1ct diamond"



Answer seems pretty obvious to me.

Before u judge, I bought one of these, which is NOT a JP sic

If u been in this forum long enuf, u will realise I’m usually the one advising pple to buy other stones instead of JP. But I still believe in quality and a great cut

For a quality stone and at a discount, the answer seems pretty obvious to me

 

[CaptainFantastic]

Wah response so fierce. You guys being paid by JP ah? Of course every retailer will use all their marketing tools to convince you that their products are the best. All this scope and hearts/arrows stuff... but if there's barely any difference with the naked eye, then why pay so much more?



Ultimately size is the most important factor for most people. Which one do you think your woman would prefer to tell people:
1 - "oh, my fiancee paid more for a smaller 0.8 ct diamond because it had 'super ideal cut' and top specs"
2 - "oh yes, it's a 1ct diamond"



Answer seems pretty obvious to me.

Marketing tool and science is 2 different things. ASET scopes is science. Nowadays, I don't think its about who is bigger than who anymore but which looks better. You don't want to get a 1ct diamond just for the sake of getting a 1ct if it looks crap. People might even question if its a real diamond.

My colleague has a 1ct diamond that the office is all ''aware'' about. But can tell is not a good one. I feel she ended up getting more pities than admiration.

 

[letmetasteyou]

Hi sifus. Have been a lurker on this thread for some time. Now I need your critical analysis and opinions on a potential stone

Gia: 10388938

This is an older tiffany stone which I'm considering for my proposal later this year.

1.15ct E VVS1
HCA 0.9

Unfortunately I dont have the scope images.

My gf likes the setting and she also enjoys wearing luxury branded stuff hence I'm scouring for international branded rings/stones.

I'm entirely aware that luxury branded stones dont make them any more special than a well cut gem, just that alot of value is placed on brand value and the marketing that comes with it.

Just based on the GIA specs, can you tell if the cut is ideal or super ideal? I understand that without scope images it is impossible to tell if the stone has good brilliance, fire, and symmetry. But I have to work with the info I have.

For the price I'm quoted, I can edit get slightly larger carat size, sacrificing some clarity and color, and probably have the peace of mind of a immaculately cut stone (JP SIC). But yea, I'm also paying for the brand.

Can I get the valued opinions of the masters such as miltah?

 

[ThiamWan]

Hi sifus. Have been a lurker on this thread for some time. Now I need your critical analysis and opinions on a potential stone

Gia: 10388938

This is an older tiffany stone which I'm considering for my proposal later this year.

1.15ct E VVS1
HCA 0.9

Unfortunately I dont have the scope images.

My gf likes the setting and she also enjoys wearing luxury branded stuff hence I'm scouring for international branded rings/stones.

I'm entirely aware that luxury branded stones dont make them any more special than a well cut gem, just that alot of value is placed on brand value and the marketing that comes with it.

Just based on the GIA specs, can you tell if the cut is ideal or super ideal? I understand that without scope images it is impossible to tell if the stone has good brilliance, fire, and symmetry. But I have to work with the info I have.

For the price I'm quoted, I can edit get slightly larger carat size, sacrificing some clarity and color, and probably have the peace of mind of a immaculately cut stone (JP SIC). But yea, I'm also paying for the brand.

Can I get the valued opinions of the masters such as miltah?

It’s not even a triple Excellent diamond. The polish and symmetry is “very good”. It’s pointless to use the HCA when the symmetry is not there cos it works on the assumption that the diamond is symmetrical. Not to mention, it’s only based on 17/57 facets of a diamond. In this case, the HCA will be very misleading.
Excellent itself is already a very wide range where there are very bad “Excellent”. In “very good” grades, that’s an even bottom tier.

 

[Miltah]

Hi sifus. Have been a lurker on this thread for some time. Now I need your critical analysis and opinions on a potential stone

Gia: 10388938

This is an older tiffany stone which I'm considering for my proposal later this year.

1.15ct E VVS1
HCA 0.9

Unfortunately I dont have the scope images.

My gf likes the setting and she also enjoys wearing luxury branded stuff hence I'm scouring for international branded rings/stones.

I'm entirely aware that luxury branded stones dont make them any more special than a well cut gem, just that alot of value is placed on brand value and the marketing that comes with it.

Just based on the GIA specs, can you tell if the cut is ideal or super ideal? I understand that without scope images it is impossible to tell if the stone has good brilliance, fire, and symmetry. But I have to work with the info I have.

For the price I'm quoted, I can edit get slightly larger carat size, sacrificing some clarity and color, and probably have the peace of mind of a immaculately cut stone (JP SIC). But yea, I'm also paying for the brand.

Can I get the valued opinions of the masters such as miltah?

Yeah this stone has issues. It’s not even a triple excellent. Thin girdle could be a long term risk if u ever choose to reset it.

As others said u are paying for the brand which is entirely fine especially if your gf likes it.
What is concerning to me however is the authenticity of the ring. Tiff&Co have always used in-hse certifications. Only reason I can come up with why it has a GIA cert is that perhaps it’s changed hands more than once n a GIA cert was required.

Does it come with the original Tiff&Co cert? Does the specs on the GIA cert tally with the Tiff cert?

 

[010919]

Wah response so fierce. You guys being paid by JP ah? Of course every retailer will use all their marketing tools to convince you that their products are the best. All this scope and hearts/arrows stuff... but if there's barely any difference with the naked eye, then why pay so much more?



Ultimately size is the most important factor for most people. Which one do you think your woman would prefer to tell people:
1 - "oh, my fiancee paid more for a smaller 0.8 ct diamond because it had 'super ideal cut' and top specs"
2 - "oh yes, it's a 1ct diamond"



Answer seems pretty obvious to me.

There are many big diamonds that have poor light performance. You can go to JP to take a look of large but poorly cut diamonds to compare against their SIC diamonds. It will be pretty obvious once one sees it. There's a reason why major jewelry stores don't give customers an ASET scope, but rather just provide them with an ideal scope.

P.S. I'm also a customer.

 

[jj_lord]

Does anyone know why there are diamonds which are cut poorly?

For something this expensive, wouldn’t you think that the factories would Ensure really skilled craftsmen are working on their premises?

It’s such a waste of diamonds for them to be cut poorly and be sold off cheaply

 

[Miltah]

Does anyone know why there are diamonds which are cut poorly?

For something this expensive, wouldn’t you think that the factories would Ensure really skilled craftsmen are working on their premises?

It’s such a waste of diamonds for them to be cut poorly and be sold off cheaply

Simple. Cos there are willing buyers

One of the main pricing of stone is by weight. So if u cut to retain weight, cutters get paid more. A well cut stone has more wastage n u get paid less so why do it?
Buyers are also willing to pay a premium for certain range, like a 1 caret.
The differences for some under store lighting are minimal so buyers pick the bigger n sometimes cheaper stone

 

[theblueark]

 

[CheeRs87]

Does anyone know why there are diamonds which are cut poorly?

For something this expensive, wouldn’t you think that the factories would Ensure really skilled craftsmen are working on their premises?

It’s such a waste of diamonds for them to be cut poorly and be sold off cheaply

Cutters make more $$$ by saving carat in the cutting process. Things like cheating the girdles (painting, digging) which is not shown in the certificate can help them earn a lot more especially if they break a new carat range bracket. Or steep deep cuts are very common which can look okay in a jewelry shop cause of its steep crown but look crap once outside.

I stayed in Australia for 2 years and you’d be surprised there isn’t any company like JP or even close to. Cut grades there is horrible and since people are still backdated; they buy what they can. Also not everyone makes the effort to learn more besides the basic 4cs, a lot of shops also till today tell people the cert is what matters most.

 

[Miltah]

I stayed in Australia for 2 years and you’d be surprised there isn’t any company like JP or even close to. Cut grades there is horrible and since people are still backdated; they buy what they can..

There is.
U should check out Garry Holloway Diamonds. After all u can’t expect the guy to sell shxx stones in Aus especially since he invented the ASET scope and HCA tool

 

[CheeRs87]

There is.
U should check out Garry Holloway Diamonds. After all u can’t expect the guy to sell shxx stones in Aus especially since he invented the ASET scope and HCA tool

I have been to their Canterbury outlet and on the contrary Holloway diamonds co. is much more brick mortar than you can imagine. Lots of poor cuts too. Australian tax is one of the reasons so bulk buying is the only way for them to buy at discounted prices I would assume. Gary is also very detached and focused on educating online similar to Paul from JP who focuses on R&D on cuts and Casey fronts the education except they’re in store and keeps the QC there. He is more into educating online especially to the American consumers.
Aus is just bad in general. A lot of companies online now like James Allen pushes back to sell off poor cuts by removing scopes etc. and if you’ve seen their commercials they’re going generic to catch the uneducated crowd.

 

[Miltah]

I have been to their Canterbury outlet and on the contrary Holloway diamonds co. is much more brick mortar than you can imagine. Lots of poor cuts too. Australian tax is one of the reasons so bulk buying is the only way for them to buy at discounted prices I would assume. Gary is also very detached and focused on educating online similar to Paul from JP who focuses on R&D on cuts and Casey fronts the education except they’re in store and keeps the QC there. He is more into educating online especially to the American consumers.
Aus is just bad in general. A lot of companies online now like James Allen pushes back to sell off poor cuts by removing scopes etc. and if you’ve seen their commercials they’re going generic to catch the uneducated crowd.

That is unfortunate.
But personally if u fish, I still believe the thrill is in the wait/search as opposed to someone presenting the catch

 

[KingKenny]

this is cool af

 

[Miltah]

this is cool af

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MgnlbDVuPdg

U should check out Pablo’s work.
He’s a perfectionist. Turning 2 hex nuts to ring

 

[KingKenny]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MgnlbDVuPdg

U should check out Pablo’s work.
He’s a perfectionist. Turning 2 hex nuts to ring

oh yeah, I've seen that one. I'd totally wear this as a wedding band rose gold bubba feet ftw, but the description says its not for sale though.. rip.