[SIC] Really good Ryzen mini PC

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To be honest, if you said that its for your kids to use, the 4800U is plenty of processing power, with extra for gaming. It is quite slow as compared to a 5600G is because when you consider the rated power requirement of 15W vs 65W, there exists a gulf of difference.

Idk whether fair comparison or not but my work laptop is something like 1065G7 and I find it painful to use lol so 4800U I assume is roughly there but better multicore which not really important. But then I guess anything compare to my personal 5800X3D gonna feel slow lol

The former can boost up to 28/35W or so depending on the configuration, but the 5600G can boost higher than the rated TDP as well. In my opinion, whether to go with a mini PC or a DIY ITX rig really depends on your preference.
For work, I got a Mini PC running an older Ryzen, 2500U, back then because it was cheap (about 350/370 can't recall now), low in power consumption (I may log in for more than 10 hours each day), and gets the job done well. I can even play some light games on it if I don't want to power up my gaming PC. So while it doesn't seem like a great value at the start, I think I do realize some savings in my power bill when we used to work entirely from home. The flipsides are, (1) 1 year warranty, and, (2) if the CPU/motherboard dies, only things I can salvage are the wifi card, RAM and SSD.
Just 1 thing to note, the InWin Chopin uses a proprietary PSU, even though it looks like it is a PICO form factor PSU. So if the PSU dies, you either have to use an external one, or you may have to change the entire case.

All this power stuff very hard to understand. So mini PC base on laptop power do they use laptop power brick? Chopin PSU is it actually like brick or like PC PSU? Reason I chose Chopin is coz mentioned here plus PSU included. Is there cheaper case with VESA mount and other type of swappable PSU? Those China $80 case all I saw without PSU and duno what fits inside for that

 

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Idk whether fair comparison or not but my work laptop is something like 1065G7 and I find it painful to use lol so 4800U I assume is roughly there but better multicore which not really important. But then I guess anything compare to my personal 5800X3D gonna feel slow lol


All this power stuff very hard to understand. So mini PC base on laptop power do they use laptop power brick? Chopin PSU is it actually like brick or like PC PSU? Reason I chose Chopin is coz mentioned here plus PSU included. Is there cheaper case with VESA mount and other type of swappable PSU? Those China $80 case all I saw without PSU and duno what fits inside for that

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-1065G7-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800U/m888368vsm1005639
4800U is faster than your 1065G7

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800U/m1553183vsm1005639
4800U is on par with 5600G for Multi Core

Mini PC uses Laptop Style Power Adapter.

 

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Idk whether fair comparison or not but my work laptop is something like 1065G7 and I find it painful to use lol so 4800U I assume is roughly there but better multicore which not really important. But then I guess anything compare to my personal 5800X3D gonna feel slow lol


All this power stuff very hard to understand. So mini PC base on laptop power do they use laptop power brick? Chopin PSU is it actually like brick or like PC PSU? Reason I chose Chopin is coz mentioned here plus PSU included. Is there cheaper case with VESA mount and other type of swappable PSU? Those China $80 case all I saw without PSU and duno what fits inside for that

Work laptop generally comes with a lot of preinstalled security software. So these can gimp performance big time. To give you a perspective how bad it is, I used to own a company issued laptop which runs on SSD. At the beginning, the performance mostly like what you experience at home, i.e. press power, wait for like 30 seconds, and within a minute of booting in, you can start using it. Over time as they start installing more security software, it takes easily 10 to 15 mins before the same system is not stuck at the Windows loading screen. It also depends on your usage, i.e. are you running some CPU intensive software. I've used a Lenovo ideaPad 5 with a i5 1035G1, and being a personal laptop, I think it works well.

Having said that 5800X3D is fast, but I don't believe that extra cache is beneficial for every types of workload. Only cache intensive apps will see a noticeable improvement over the 5700X/ 5800X. My opinion is that modern processors within the last 2 years are still fast enough for most users, unless you have a niche usage, e.g. heavy photo/ video editing, etc. And for kids to use for school work and leisure usage, the 4800U or 5600X is more than enough.

InWin Chopin comes with a built in PSU. You can visit InWin's site to see, or pop down a store to check out. But if you google online, the conclusion is the same, i.e. the PSU is of a proprietary form factor, so you can't just easily replace with a flex/pico PSU even though they look about the same. If you want more customization friendly case, you need to go for the bigger ITX case. The good thing about buying the InWin Chopin locally is that it has 2 years warranty. But the caveat based on my experience is that the cheaper Chopin with 150W PSU don't seem enough, and the PSU is often running close to its limits and is SCALDING hot under load. If need to, pay a little more for the Chopin Pro with 200W PSU, which I hope should help with keeping temps down.

 

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https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-1065G7-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800U/m888368vsm1005639
4800U is faster than your 1065G7

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800U/m1553183vsm1005639
4800U is on par with 5600G for Multi Core

Mini PC uses Laptop Style Power Adapter.

Actually I am surprised that Intel ceded single core performance crown to AMD in this comparison. They've been lagging in the multicore performance for sure. From what I see, the clockspeed on the i7 1065G7 seems quite low, i.e. 3.5 Ghz. I wonder if it is limited by the cooling solution of the laptop. The base clockspeed is very low for sure because this being the 2nd generation 10nm is still not doing great. The i5 I used comes with base clockspeed of just 1 Ghz, though the sustained clockspeed is typically 3.2 to 3.5 Ghz while using a barely enough single fat heatpipe cooling solution.
The one thing about mini PC and laptop is actually you generally don't have a lot of control over the cooling solution. And as a result, some may run very hot and loud. My Maibenben Ryzen 5 2500U tends to hover around 50s to 60s under light load. At max load, it can hit 91 degrees with an audible fan which fortunately is not annoying.

 

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My Maibenben Ryzen 5 2500U tends to hover around 50s to 60s under light load. At max load, it can hit 91 degrees with an audible fan which fortunately is not annoying.

I using this for 24/7
As long you don't use it for task that requires 100% it's generally fine.

I tan gu gu for 6800U mini pc with USB4 to replace it.

 

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I using this for 24/7
As long you don't use it for task that requires 100% it's generally fine.

I tan gu gu for 6800U mini pc with USB4 to replace it.

I've used it for games, and it was certainly under quite a fair bit of load. But I do agree it is actually a good mini PC for the price. But now the prices have gone up pretty drastically since I last bought it, so I won't recommend it now.

Anyway, if you are waiting for the 6800U, it might be a long wait considering that laptops with Rembrandt are only slowly trickling out even at this point. So for smaller PC makers like Minisforum, it may take some time to get their hands on these Rembrandt chips. And you may need DDR5.

 

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I've used it for games, and it was certainly under quite a fair bit of load. But I do agree it is actually a good mini PC for the price. But now the prices have gone up pretty drastically since I last bought it, so I won't recommend it now.

now
USD$400 Beelink 4800U is the best for the price
while promotion last

 

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now
USD$400 Beelink 4800U is the best for the price
while promotion last

Nah, I'm back to laptop for work, so no point getting another mini PC for now. My turn to dan gu gu for next system.

 

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Nah, I'm back to laptop for work, so no point getting another mini PC for now. My turn to dan gu gu for next system.

wait for 6800U Laptop with USB4 promotion then.
with it you can external GPU for gaming.

 

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wait for 6800U Laptop with USB4 promotion then.
with it you can external GPU for gaming.

Haha. I don't print money man. I am happy with the 5800H that comes with my laptop.

 

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Haha. I don't print money man. I am happy with the 5800H that comes with my laptop.

my old 3500U laptop paper weight collect dust at home.
my main rig at home is my 5700G Desktop.

 

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my old 3500U laptop paper weight collect dust at home.
my main rig at home is my 5700G Desktop.

Then you should sell it. No point holding onto many rigs when you know very clearly that you likely won't use it. It may not fetch much, but still money that you can keep and use it later to buy something. I was initially thinking of keeping the Maibenben as a HTPC, but I asked myself if I will ever use it. The answer is a clear no, so took a pic, post in Carousell, and got rid of it.

 

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Then you should sell it. No point holding onto many rigs when you know very clearly that you likely won't use it. It may not fetch much, but still money that you can keep and use it later to buy something. I was initially thinking of keeping the Maibenben as a HTPC, but I asked myself if I will ever use it. The answer is a clear no, so took a pic, post in Carousell, and got rid of it.

Spare for myself and my parents.
If any spoil can use it to Tahan first.

 

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InWin Chopin comes with a built in PSU. You can visit InWin's site to see, or pop down a store to check out. But if you google online, the conclusion is the same, i.e. the PSU is of a proprietary form factor, so you can't just easily replace with a flex/pico PSU even though they look about the same. If you want more customization friendly case, you need to go for the bigger ITX case. The good thing about buying the InWin Chopin locally is that it has 2 years warranty. But the caveat based on my experience is that the cheaper Chopin with 150W PSU don't seem enough, and the PSU is often running close to its limits and is SCALDING hot under load. If need to, pay a little more for the Chopin Pro with 200W PSU, which I hope should help with keeping temps down.

Agree with you on the scalding hot part. I am a previous owner of inwin chopin 150W. I didnt know got pro version. The 150W version very very hot on ryzen 3200G.

The proprietary psu also another issue. My psu died after 1 year. The rma is smooth. Bring whole casing. They just take psu from another new case.

I sold it because of the heat and proprietary psu.

 

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Got this morefine mini pc, come with 5600H, 32gb ram and 256gb NVM. Cost around $750 with taobao direct shipping.

 

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Got this morefine mini pc, come with 5600H, 32gb ram and 256gb NVM. Cost around $750 with taobao direct shipping.

moi waiting for
6800U/6800H with USB4

 

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Got this morefine mini pc, come with 5600H, 32gb ram and 256gb NVM. Cost around $750 with taobao direct shipping.

Review said this brand fan noise is louder than miniforum. Actually miniforum fan is also very loud at full speed but the bios auto fan profiles limits the fan speed and noise to bearable.

 

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For those looking for a good mini PC, I saw the Minisforum B550 being sold on Lazada @ about 537 bucks for the barebone system (including cooling fan, 120W power brick and GPU bracket). I spotted this late last night and with the discounts, I was able to get it to around 470 bucks. I think it is a great mini PC even though the CPU may not be the fastest now. But the ability to install a PSU and a dedicated GPU will make this a formidable small form gaming rig.

https://videocardz.com/review/minis...quick-test-amd-ryzen-7-5700g-and-external-gpu

How is the warranty support for miniforum mini pc sold on lazada or even bought direct from miniforum website?

 

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Not long ago there was some super cheap Chinese laptop on this forum, Maibenben or something, you can go search and after a while someone's keyboard broke. Upon return to the local warranty centre, they said no parts, use USB keyboard with your laptop. Is that a solution you can live with?

I using
Maibenben 2500U
mini pc 25

LAN port and m.2 wifi DOA (I got post in that Maibenben Thread)
I bought it barebone @ SGD$300 from Aliexpress
Other than that no issues.
I running it 24/7
Now more than 1.5 year liao still okay

Maibenben is lower quality compared to
Minisforum/Beelink

And again, ITX is not a necessity. SFF mATX like the Tecware Fusion is a perfectly decent, very affordable option where you don't have to pay the ITX premium. At the end of the day, socketed CPUs are a far superior option to soldered CPUs. Even if the motherboard dies and you can't find another, sell your CPU and get some money back to put into a new CPU+MB with the newest socket.

1) Form Factor alot bigger than mini pc also alot more power consumption 15-25W Mobile CPU vs 65W Desktop CPU (I ran 24/7, 1 year save over $100 in power saving cost)

2) People usually don't upgrade CPU due to chipset and CPU limitation for upgrading

Better than tossing out the whole Mini PC or laptop which gets you $0.

Usually you can only salvage Casing + PSU if you DIY
Cos might not be worth it to buy replacement MOBO or CPU say 3 years down the road
If you already on 5700G, there is no further upgrade option available for CPU
At most buy a replacement MOBO if MOBO spoil

not doa. lan and wifi doesnt work if you remove nvme ssd

 

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not doa. lan and wifi doesnt work if you remove nvme ssd

Mine is Barebone Unit, no SSD.
So you are saying it is missing driver?