SIM Juris Doctor Programme

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Well done!! ;)

The pioneer co-hort will comprise 50 to 60 students, and at least 80 per cent of the places at UniSim Law School will be set aside for mature students such as those with social work or paralegal experience. UniSIM Law School will progressively increase its annual intake to 75 students at steady state. - See more at: https://www.gov.sg/news/content/today-online-unisim-law-school-to-enrol-first-student-batch-in-2017#sthash.3ZvQ4klI.dpuf
 

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The pioneer co-hort will comprise 50 to 60 students, and at least 80 per cent of the places at UniSim Law School will be set aside for mature students such as those with social work or paralegal experience. UniSIM Law School will progressively increase its annual intake to 75 students at steady state. - See more at: https://www.gov.sg/news/content/today-online-unisim-law-school-to-enrol-first-student-batch-in-2017#sthash.3ZvQ4klI.dpuf

No news today
 

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No la no la, sorry I didn't mean that. SIM said that the result would be made known by early Sept, and we are nearing that.

f unisim interviews hundreds of applicants, unisim will find it not so easy to select 60. Wonder if prepartory course is only for confirmed students or prepartory course is another shortlisting tool?
 

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f unisim interviews hundreds of applicants, unisim will find it not so easy to select 60. Wonder if prepartory course is only for confirmed students or prepartory course is another shortlisting tool?

Yeah, it sounds like many people attended the interview. Will be pretty cutthroat.

From what I read, it seems that initially the preparatory course was meant to be another round of short-listing, but it now reads like a proper preparatory course for the Jan semester. I am a bit confused too.

My spouse is not confident about her chance. Haha.
 

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Yeah, it sounds like many people attended the interview. Will be pretty cutthroat.

From what I read, it seems that initially the preparatory course was meant to be another round of short-listing, but it now reads like a proper preparatory course for the Jan semester. I am a bit confused too.

My spouse is not confident about her chance. Haha.

Application results .... should be real soon
School fee is payable by 22nd Sept 2016.
Prep course start 8 Oct to 5 Nov 2016.
Actual Class start 23 Jan 2017.
 

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Application results .... should be real soon
School fee is payable by 22nd Sept 2016.
Prep course start 8 Oct to 5 Nov 2016.
Actual Class start 23 Jan 2017.

Agree. The successful applicants will need time to arrange for school fee. To shortlist the list of 60 students, it seems that SIM is taking a long time. Maybe the quality of the applicants is rather uniform.
 

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Agree. The successful applicants will need time to arrange for school fee. To shortlist the list of 60 students, it seems that SIM is taking a long time. Maybe the quality of the applicants is rather uniform.

maybe all the applicant have solid community work background and is having a hard time choosing
 

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I scored 35 for the LNAT two years ago. Currently in a top 5 UK uni. If you have scored lower than 20 in the LNAT you are bound to struggle to cope with the rigour of a law degree. Law degree is no walk in the park. Even if you scrap through law school with shitty results your pedigree is bound to be found out if you go to court or worse, if you have to liaise with opposing lawyers with better quality.

Of course the SIM law course will be much simpler in terms of content as compared to US and UK law syllabus. The SIM course is tailored for working adults who have commitments in SG thus can't venture overseas for studies. Either that or the overseas uni fees are too high and they can't afford a foreign education.

People reading this need to understand something. The law syllabus in SG unis is very much controlled. If you want an all rounded law degree, pursue law at a UK uni. You can consider US unis too but US law course is postgraduate degree which means you need a good first degree to gain entry.

Some people worry that after graduating with a UK law degree it is difficult to get job in UK. That is true but if you never try you will never know. Another reason is also the possibility that Chinese face racism in UK. This is somewhat true and it is a pity that fellow Singaporeans choose to return to SG to be in their comfort zone instead of not throwing in the towel so early on.

To me I think its a pity. Singapore is a hotel. It's a great place for foreigners to come, earn a good living, work the system and return to their home countries when the time is right with tons of money in tow.

So if you're a Singaporean studying in US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand then give yourself a chance and see if you can get a job in those countries. Not many people are fortunate to be able to study abroad due to high fees and at times high pre-requisite results required. But being a selecte 'few', maximize the chance you have and carve a better life for yourself and your future generation.

Anyone who has studied overseas knows that overseas beats Singapore anytime in terms of quality of life, cost of living, work-family life and the whole 9 yards.

For the top UK unis a score of 19 is considered low. As for SIM's standard nobody knows cos its a new course. But look at this from another angle. If you score 19 on your LNAT but you have glowing references from employers, good CCA background etc do you think these components will make up for your disastrous showing on the LNAT? Of course not.

Singapore's style has always been to be different from other countries. Perhaps the LNAT score won't be that much of a factor when being awarded a place at SIM's law school but if that is the case then why should SIM subject students to do LNAT? It defeats the purpose.

The LNAT is designed to streamline those who cannot think critically from those who can. In a UK uni setting, if you're an admissions tutor, the logical thing to do is to automatically dismiss the applications of those who score below 20, given that there are only 60 places on the course. This makes it easier for the admissions tutor. Agreed?

On top of this there are interviews to convince and impress the interview panel as to why you deserve a place on this programme. So this acts as a further filter. Once there have a sizeable number of positive applications/applicants, these students will form the pioneer batch.

SIM is not gonna accept students who scored lowly for the LNAT. That is a given. The question is what then is the threshold? If you ask me, it should be 26 and above. Cos don't forget the LNAT is out of 42.

Most people want to do law cos lawyers earn a lot of money. What people make in a month, lawyers can make in half a day to a full day. A criminal case already can cost $3000 upwards so you tell me if I am making sense?



Clearly you have touched on points which I did not make or state. Nowhere in any of my previous posts did I mention about postgraduate law degrees. I have only referred to the basic LLB degree. Your post tells me a few things about you which I will address in my last paragraph of this post.

One of the many myths being perpetuated - which you raised in your diatribe above - is that the creation of SIM law school to 'fill up the gaping hole that is family and criminal Lawyers'.

Do you honestly think that SIM law graduates in the future will only remain and practise within criminal and family law? Of course not! They will eventually venture into finance aspect of the law cos thats where the money is.

You must also bear in mind that the minister has already said that there are no restrictions on the SIM law graduates in future to not venture into other aspects of the law besides criminal and family law. Think critically; doesn't this defeat the purpose of the SIM law school?

You are mistaken. There are plenty of law jobs in Singapore. The problem is people are not looking at the right places or not looking hard enough.

Now I come to you. If I were to hazard a guess, you're either a
- law graduate from the external law degree from University of London which is not recognized by the Board of Legal education in Singapore to be a lawyer

- applicant to the SIM law school who has done miserably on the LNAT

- Temasek Poly law and mgmt diploma graduate who cannot get in NUS or SMU and/or has no money to go overseas to do the law degree

- a clerk in a law firm who will remain in that position for years to come even though you know you can perform the role of a lawyer if only you had the means to complete a recognized law degree.

I wish you well.

I have no part in your quarrels but if you are who you made yourself out to be, why then did you PM me about TP's "legal course" a few months back?
 

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I have no part in your quarrels but if you are who you made yourself out to be, why then did you PM me about TP's "legal course" a few months back?

Omg lame! I just searched his ID and all the results point to him studying the LLB at SAA and claiming the LLB at ITC is too expensive for him. So much for studying at a top university in the UK -.- lame lame lame. Still can claim his LNAT score was 35. Shameless
 

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Omg lame! I just searched his ID and all the results point to him studying the LLB at SAA and claiming the LLB at ITC is too expensive for him. So much for studying at a top university in the UK -.- lame lame lame. Still can claim his LNAT score was 35. Shameless

SAA website says something about their graduates will hold degrees registered with UOL, and kaixin18 mentioned that he/she is with LSE (which is under the UOL umbrella). Technically still valid? Haha.

Anyway, we are digressing from the topic. Just checked for my spouse again, no update on the application status. :s22:

On a related note, because law is a rather intensive course to do, I wonder how the students would approach this course. It felt like either you go all out, or you can't catch up (at least I felt that way). Would many students eventually have to give up their jobs early on into the course just to focus on it?
 

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SAA website says something about their graduates will hold degrees registered with UOL, and kaixin18 mentioned that he/she is with LSE (which is under the UOL umbrella). Technically still valid? Haha.

Anyway, we are digressing from the topic. Just checked for my spouse again, no update on the application status. :s22:

On a related note, because law is a rather intensive course to do, I wonder how the students would approach this course. It felt like either you go all out, or you can't catch up (at least I felt that way). Would many students eventually have to give up their jobs early on into the course just to focus on it?

Yup still processing for me too! Sigh. Yeah to be honest I'm not sure how one juggles a full time job and a law degree. I have plans to resign end of the year if I get an offer because there's no way I'll be able to give my best if i'm working a full time job. But different strokes for different folks right? Other people may be more capable of multitasking than I am.
 

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Yup still processing for me too! Sigh. Yeah to be honest I'm not sure how one juggles a full time job and a law degree. I have plans to resign end of the year if I get an offer because there's no way I'll be able to give my best if i'm working a full time job. But different strokes for different folks right? Other people may be more capable of multitasking than I am.

Because the focus of this course is on community law, so certain aspects of legal training such as writing and moot should receive more attention. But these are things which require a lot of time and dedication, which could make it hard for working adults to cope. Your commitment is admirable! All the best!
 

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Because the focus of this course is on community law, so certain aspects of legal training such as writing and moot should receive more attention. But these are things which require a lot of time and dedication, which could make it hard for working adults to cope. Your commitment is admirable! All the best!

She ain't very confident about her chance though. It is a pretty long shot, if I may be honest. The quality of the applicants seems very high.

Glut of Lawyers
Trainee lawyer Ainichal Kaur served two years as a junior legal assistant with a law firm here before committing to study law in London with the help of a long-term bank loan.

The 24-year-old daughter of a cabby graduated last month, and is now undergoing the requisite relevant legal training at a law firm here. She had gained an understanding of the career before taking it up.

Her clear-eyed approach to a legal career differs from a "disturbing" trend that Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon noted last week in an address to new lawyers called to the Bar. He said a "surprisingly" large number of candidates interviewed for job placements seems to have "little, if any, inkling of the law as a profession that finds its place in society in notions of justice, service and doing right".In Singapore, there is now an oversupply of law graduates and too few training placements for them.

CJ Menon called for this problem to be addressed at source. He suggested that those who choose to study law should examine their reasons for doing so and if they are lured by financial motives, they should look elsewhere or be disappointed.

National University of Singapore law dean Simon Chesterman noted that there are now more Singaporeans reading law in England than in Singapore law schools.

CJ Menon described the difficulty of getting training placements as one of two challenges facing aspiring lawyers - the other is having a fair shot at being retained by a law firm after the training contract ends. He has put in place a broad-based committee to undertake a root and branch review of the training contract regime, including the process by which candidates are assessed for retention in a firm.

Universities abroad have little reason to restrict their intakes given the fees paid by foreign students.

The CJ's remarks on current lawyer oversupply and moves to redress it will help those planning to study law overseas weigh up whether the costs and benefits in doing so tally with their career motives.
 

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Morning all. Wondering if there's any feedback from those who've been accepted into the JD? Much appreciated!
 

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Applications to SUSS JD

Hi.

When we apply for SUSS JD, it states that we need to have supporting evidence on our commitment to the practice of criminal and family law.

May I know what are examples of evidence to commitment of family law?

What if I do not have any direct evidence on commitment to these 2 areas? I am from the healthcare industry.

Can anyone advise?

Thank you.
 
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