SIM-UOL VS SAA-UOL

Hyde-Kei

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SAA got any first class student yet?

I'm a student in SAA. I have a friend who's currently in year 3,but already secured 5 first class grades, which means if she passes all her final year units, she'll have her first class already.


And regarding the lawsuit, the court already threw the case out. Stansfield did not win.


SAA has dedicated lecturers, and compared to SIM, I think you get to spend much more one-to-one time with them. And given the smaller student to lecturer ratio, you'll get more attention from the lecturers.
 

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I'm a student in SAA. I have a friend who's currently in year 3,but already secured 5 first class grades, which means if she passes all her final year units, she'll have her first class already.


And regarding the lawsuit, the court already threw the case out. Stansfield did not win.


SAA has dedicated lecturers, and compared to SIM, I think you get to spend much more one-to-one time with them. And given the smaller student to lecturer ratio, you'll get more attention from the lecturers.

i have some enquires on your statements, pls help to clarify,

1) what degree is your 3rd year friend doing?
2) how did you get the result of the lawsuit that it has been thrown out? did it published in any of the newspaper, if yes, can you provide the link please?
3) if as you say that SAA has produced good results, in the years to come, it will expand its students intake and will it be the same situation as SIM where there is no longer one to one time between lecturers and students? I heard that the 1st year UOL students intake has caused the main CPA house to open classes for them where previously only SAA (city campus) takes in 1st year UOL students, is it true?

thanks
 

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i have some enquires on your statements, pls help to clarify,

1) what degree is your 3rd year friend doing?
2) how did you get the result of the lawsuit that it has been thrown out? did it published in any of the newspaper, if yes, can you provide the link please?
3) if as you say that SAA has produced good results, in the years to come, it will expand its students intake and will it be the same situation as SIM where there is no longer one to one time between lecturers and students? I heard that the 1st year UOL students intake has caused the main CPA house to open classes for them where previously only SAA (city campus) takes in 1st year UOL students, is it true?

thanks

Hi,
1) My friend's doing a banking and finance.
2) We heard it first hand from the lecturers involved. They've sent a letter to the papers, and there will probably be an update soon. I'll post the link once it's available.
3) From what I know, most of the common 1st year units are held at the city campus. (POA, Intro to econs, pbf etc) I'm not sure if there are units held at the main campus, but I'll ask around.
Regarding the expansion of intake, I think it will not be a problem for the next few years. In the long run, perhaps it will be like the situation in SIM, but for now, the attention and the kind of the relationship you have with the lecturers is really beneficial.
 

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Hi,
1) My friend's doing a banking and finance.
2) We heard it first hand from the lecturers involved. They've sent a letter to the papers, and there will probably be an update soon. I'll post the link once it's available.
3) From what I know, most of the common 1st year units are held at the city campus. (POA, Intro to econs, pbf etc) I'm not sure if there are units held at the main campus, but I'll ask around.
Regarding the expansion of intake, I think it will not be a problem for the next few years. In the long run, perhaps it will be like the situation in SIM, but for now, the attention and the kind of the relationship you have with the lecturers is really beneficial.

thanks for your reply.
 

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hi all. im considering taking saa-uol banking and finance. im keen with saa bcos of its city campus and the fact that everyone is praising saa for their lecturers which is a plus point n very impt factor to me.

may i know whether the lecturers some of u mentioned, like teo, allan, rahjoo are teaching in banking and finance? i definitely dont want to miss these good lecturers recommended by fellow forumers :)
 

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i am curious about SAA...

how big is their class normally?

Eg SIM normally their lecture class should be more than 100 students?
 

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i am curious about SAA...

how big is their class normally?

Eg SIM normally their lecture class should be more than 100 students?

Definitely not more than 80 (that is for foundation units as there are more takers).Further units,i guess up to 40-50 students.

hi all. im considering taking saa-uol banking and finance. im keen with saa bcos of its city campus and the fact that everyone is praising saa for their lecturers which is a plus point n very impt factor to me.

may i know whether the lecturers some of u mentioned, like teo, allan, rahjoo are teaching in banking and finance? i definitely dont want to miss these good lecturers recommended by fellow forumers :)

Mr Teo teaches intro to econs,microecons & macroecons.In SAA,managerial econs is not offered.

Mr Alan Ng teaches principles of accounting,corporate finance,management accounting and Valuation and securities analysis.

For Mr Rajoo,i am not sure if he is still teaching there though.
 

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Hi,
1) My friend's doing a banking and finance.
2) We heard it first hand from the lecturers involved. They've sent a letter to the papers, and there will probably be an update soon. I'll post the link once it's available.
3) From what I know, most of the common 1st year units are held at the city campus. (POA, Intro to econs, pbf etc) I'm not sure if there are units held at the main campus, but I'll ask around.
Regarding the expansion of intake, I think it will not be a problem for the next few years. In the long run, perhaps it will be like the situation in SIM, but for now, the attention and the kind of the relationship you have with the lecturers is really beneficial.

i heard that stansfield has won SAA suit case on lecture notes copyright...can you mention about it?
 

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i'm studying in SAA, the 3 lecturers from SAA paid 20k for out-of-court settlement, the title of the news article claim that stansfield has won la, but life still goes on. I think u can do search online. overall i am still quite satisfied with their teaching material etc.
 

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i'm studying in SAA, the 3 lecturers from SAA paid 20k for out-of-court settlement, the title of the news article claim that stansfield has won la, but life still goes on. I think u can do search online. overall i am still quite satisfied with their teaching material etc.

i tried to search but cannot find, i think it has been taken out of the website. does this mean that the 3 SAA lecturers' notes are taken from stansfield?
 

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here is the articles: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20091104-177828.html
i dun think they using the old notes alr.

Just to add on what le_mon mentioned,current SAA students have also received an email with a clarification on this issue which i have extracted as shown below:

Dear Students,

You may have seen a report in The Straits Times (3rd November) entitled “Stansfield wins copyright claim without legal battle”. The title and contents of the report may have given an inaccurate impression as to what actually transpired. At our request, The Straits Times published a clarification on 7 November.

As a further note:

-ICPAS has always maintained throughout the lawsuit that Stansfield College’s claims are unmeritorious and was ready, willing and able to defend them.

-As in all lawsuits, it is in a defendant's interest to avoid expending unnecessary time and costs by exploring settlement without admission of liability.

-Solely on this footing, ICPAS together with the other defendants decided to offer to settle at a nominal sum of $20,000 without admitting liability.

-It should be noted that the monetary limit for High Court claims is $250,000 and above.

-Although the offer to settle was made before the trial started, Stansfield College persisted in going for trial..

-It was only on the third day of trial, after several of Stansfield College's key witnesses were cross-examined rigorously, that it finally accepted the offer.

-This delay in accepting the offer has certain costs consequences against Stansfield College. Had Stansfield College persisted further, the offer would have been withdrawn.

-Stansfield College’s acceptance of the offer means that it has not proven its case, and that it has to wholly discontinue the lawsuit without any finding of liability against the defendants
 

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Just to add on what le_mon mentioned,current SAA students have also received an email with a clarification on this issue which i have extracted as shown below:

this extract showed that the court did not state SAA lectureers have breached the copyrights of Stansfield lecture notes. It was both parties that decided to settle out of court payment, not a fine or compensation ordered by the court for SAA lecturers to pay Stansfield. This showed that Stansfield is the one who lose out in this lawsuit if you know the law concept. Thanks for nwstbz23 to clarify this matter. Anyway I am from SIM-UOL, just want to know the truth only. I still have confidence that SAA will still do well in their passion to teach UOL students, as for Stansfield, no comment here to avoid being sue by the school on me... :)
 

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yup teaching style and notes. i m seriously thinking of gg SAA for UOL if unisim rejects me.

All right,i shall try my best to answer your queries here :)

Depending on your preference for part-time of full-time lessons for the UOL program,both are very different in terms of teaching speed and quality of learning experience.

For part-time lessons (i did it for last academic year,starting from aug 2008 to may 2009),one UOL unit has a total of 18 sessions (each session is 3 hours each),held once in a two weeks (if you have both mondays lessons for i.e. principles of accounting and principles of banking & finance module,can be quite confusing at times).

On the other hand,full-time lessons have 4 to 5 more lessons more than the part-time lessons for "intensive revision" purpose.Lecturing pace will be much slower and more time to do tutorial questions and learning.

For saaa-uol notes,generally they are acceptable and quite easy to read for some units.But in terms of details & coverage for UOL units,SIM-UOL notes will have the advantage instead =X
 
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