SIMBA Fibre Broadband

[leongws]

Just for sharing purposes. I am connecting to the GT-AX6000 router via a AP TPlink wifi6 router (abt $150) and the following are the speed from the web and from the GT-AX 6000 internal speed reading. If I test the direct connection to the ONT, I will be getting abt 940 mbps consistently from the app (open signal). If that is the speed from directly connected to the ONT without using a lan adapter at the pc then I guess Simba will need to fine tune their backend.

Are the lan port of your PC higher than 1Gbps? If not it will not exceed 1000Mbps during speedtest as it is limited by your lan port even if u connect directly from ONT to PC. Tp link wifi 6 router don't have 2.5Gbps port too?

 

[alex22]

Just for sharing purposes. I am connecting to the GT-AX6000 router via a AP TPlink wifi6 router (abt $150) and the following are the speed from the web and from the GT-AX 6000 internal speed reading. If I test the direct connection to the ONT, I will be getting abt 940 mbps consistently from the app (open signal). If that is the speed from directly connected to the ONT without using a lan adapter at the pc then I guess Simba will need to fine tune their backend.

U client terminal have 2.5 or 10GbE port anot.
Prefer to have the latter to be more objective.

 

[xiaofan]

Does Simba have its own speed test server?

Found almost all the server names of other ISPs and Telcos on the speed test apps but Simba's name missing.

They do not have their own SpeedTest server.

 

[xiaofan]

hope it gets better down the road..
though at 20 is a good deal. but as what u mentioned, one must give up public ipv4, ipv6 and digital voice.. sianzz..

Personally I will give SIMBA 2.5G plan a pass but wait for other ISPs to come out with better 2.5G plans. I do not like CGNAT myself (not even with the Static IP add-on). I also like to play with IPv6 even though it does not seem to make any differences for my use cases. I can do without digital voice though.

Anyway, my contract with SingTel is until Sept 2024. Hopefully at that time other ISPs will be providing 2.5G plans or dual 1Gbps plans at S$30 to S$40. Personally I still like dual 1Gbps plans because of two independent networks and I can play with dual WAN load balancing.

On the other hand, the three things you mentioned may not be a big issue for majority of the users (say 80% to 90%). So I tend to think SIMBA may capture a sizable market share if they do not screw up.

1) CGNAT, no public IPv4: no issues with typical browsing and streaming use cases. (say 90% of users). They may offer Static IPv4 as an add-on for users who need a public IPv4, just like MR or VQ.

2) IPv6: only a nice to have feature now, not really causing problems for majority of the users (eg: 99.9%). Take note MR/VQ/WC also do not have IPv6. And SIMBA can probably provide IPv6 in the future.

3) Digital voice -- many users (say 80% to 90%) do not really need digital voice in reality. They may be able to provide Voice enabled ONT as well in the future.

 

[Mach3.2]

They do not have their own SpeedTest server.

Since SIMBA have peering presence at SGIX (probably buy transit from SGIX as well), can test against SGIX's openspeedtest server: speedtest.sgix.sg

 

[sky1978]

Personally I will give SIMBA 2.5G plan a pass but wait for other ISPs to come out with better 2.5G plans. I do not like CGNAT myself (not even with the Static IP add-on). I also like to play with IPv6 even though it does not seem to make any differences for my use cases. I can do without digital voice though.

Anyway, my contract with SingTel is until Sept 2024. Hopefully at that time other ISPs will be providing 2.5G plans or dual 1Gbps plans at S$30 to S$40. Personally I still like dual 1Gbps plans because of two independent networks and I can play with dual WAN load balancing.

On the other hand, the three things you mentioned may not be a big issue for majority of the users (say 80% to 90%). So I tend to think SIMBA may capture a sizable market share if they do not screw up.

1) CGNAT, no public IPv4: no issues with typical browsing and streaming use cases. (say 90% of users). They may offer Static IPv4 as an add-on for users who need a public IPv4, just like MR or VQ.

2) IPv6: only a nice to have feature now, not really causing problems for majority of the users (eg: 99.9%). Take note MR/VQ/WC also do not have IPv6. And SIMBA can probably provide IPv6 in the future.

3) Digital voice -- many users (say 80% to 90%) do not really need digital voice in reality. They may be able to provide Voice enabled ONT as well in the future.

IPv4 is actually much more valuable in the market. Single address trading at USD60 dollars and increasing year after year. There must be a reason for ISPs to stick to IPv4 rather than moving to IPv6.

https://er.educause.edu/articles/sponsored/2022/8/the-hidden-value-of-ipv4-addresses

 

[Mach3.2]

IPv4 is actually much more valuable in the market. Single address trading at USD60 dollars and increasing year after year. There must be a reason for ISPs to stick to IPv4 rather than moving to IPv6.

https://er.educause.edu/articles/sponsored/2022/8/the-hidden-value-of-ipv4-addresses

Because everyone knows IPv4. Supporting IPv6 involves learning new material, planning, testing and implementation. Perhaps these ISPs do not want to dedicate resources on supporting IPv6.

Implementing IPv6 is even more crucial for operators (Simba, Viewqwest and MyRepublic) who supply their connection with CGNAT by default, as it allows for end to end connectivity vs at least 2 layers of NAT for CGNAT connections.

Guess which providers doesn't support a lick of IPv6 for their end users? Viewqwest, MyRepublic and maybe Simba from the info that's currently available in this thread. However, I suspect Simba supports native dual stack IPv6 via DHCPv6 but nobody tested it yet, since their mobile network is IPv6 enabled and most routers don't have IPv6 enabled by default.

I feel the need to mention even ISPs (Singtel, Starhub, M1) with IPv6 support doesn't do things properly. Starhub and M1 only route a /64 prefix to end users, despite BCOP690 recommending /48 for everyone, or minimally /56 for consumers if ISPs want to create product differentiation. Singtel is still half stuck with 6rd tunnels in 2023, a tunnel IPv6 transition mechanism, although they seem to be trialing native dual stack via DHCPv6 for certain regions. Good thing they are following best practices outlined in BCOP690 by routing a /56 prefix to their end users.

 

[jess_sy]

Hope to see more speedtest results with more ppl coming onboard to test Simba Fibre

 

[weiess]

Personally I will give SIMBA 2.5G plan a pass but wait for other ISPs to come out with better 2.5G plans. I do not like CGNAT myself (not even with the Static IP add-on). I also like to play with IPv6 even though it does not seem to make any differences for my use cases. I can do without digital voice though.

Anyway, my contract with SingTel is until Sept 2024. Hopefully at that time other ISPs will be providing 2.5G plans or dual 1Gbps plans at S$30 to S$40. Personally I still like dual 1Gbps plans because of two independent networks and I can play with dual WAN load balancing.

On the other hand, the three things you mentioned may not be a big issue for majority of the users (say 80% to 90%). So I tend to think SIMBA may capture a sizable market share if they do not screw up.

1) CGNAT, no public IPv4: no issues with typical browsing and streaming use cases. (say 90% of users). They may offer Static IPv4 as an add-on for users who need a public IPv4, just like MR or VQ.

2) IPv6: only a nice to have feature now, not really causing problems for majority of the users (eg: 99.9%). Take note MR/VQ/WC also do not have IPv6. And SIMBA can probably provide IPv6 in the future.

3) Digital voice -- many users (say 80% to 90%) do not really need digital voice in reality. They may be able to provide Voice enabled ONT as well in the future.

Agreed. with SIMBA entering the market offering a competitive plan, the rest of ISPs will have to revise their current plans and pricing. Win-win for consumers...

 

[sky1978]

Agreed. with SIMBA entering the market offering a competitive plan, the rest of ISPs will have to revise their current plans and pricing. Win-win for consumers...

If they didn't screw up, it can potentially wipe a 3 billion valuation off the Telcos when 20 dollars become the norm. There are more than 1.5mil fibre connections and the current average pricing is 30 to 40 per month. For those 60 to 70-dollar plans, if we factor in the current router value which those ISPs can get, their real pricing will still be around the 30 to 40-dollar range. Cutting the price down and competing with Simba will cost them up to 30mil per month in revenue and over 12 months, it will be more than 300 mil. If Telcos trade at around 10 times P/E, a 300 mil reduction in profit means 3 bil in valuation. Even if we discount that by half or 2/3, it is still a billion-dollar impact. No one did such aggressive pricing in the past, not even when those non-Telco ISPs entered the market. The past practice has always been to keep prices stable and increase speed, not increase the speed and cut price by half at the same time.

 

[loganrunning]

If they didn't screw up, it can potentially wipe a 3 billion valuation off the Telcos when 20 dollars become the norm. There are more than 1.5mil fibre connections and the current average pricing is 30 to 40 per month. For those 60 to 70-dollar plans, if we factor in the current router value which those ISPs can get, their real pricing will still be around the 30 to 40-dollar range. Cutting the price down and competing with Simba will cost them up to 30mil per month in revenue and over 12 months, it will be more than 300 mil. If Telcos trade at around 10 times P/E, a 300 mil reduction in profit means 3 bil in valuation. Even if we discount that by half or 2/3, it is still a billion-dollar impact. No one did such aggressive pricing in the past, not even when those non-Telco ISPs entered the market. The past practice has always been to keep prices stable and increase speed, not increase the speed and cut price by half at the same time.

good point. the last time such a price/performance disruption i remember was when MR introduced 1Gbps at approx half the price of the then prevailing rate and speed (300Mbps? or was it 500Mbps?)

Simba is actually just aiming to fulfil the potential speed of 2.5/1.2, while the rest of the telcos have been telling us, 40% of the potential is "good enough"

 

[Loser]

Maybe we'll see the price of 500mbps plans start sliding downwards to $20 to meet the competition from SIMBA.

 

[weiess]

Maybe we'll see the price of 500mbps plans start sliding downwards to $20 to meet the competition from SIMBA.

$20 for 500mbps still a bit hard to swallow, if u know the next door selling 2.5gbps for the same price tag...
provided it bundle with ipv4, ipv6, digital voice and a 2.5gbps ready router.

 

[Loser]

$20 for 500mbps still a bit hard to swallow, if u know the next door selling 2.5gbps for the same price tag...
provided it bundle with ipv4, ipv6, digital voice and a 2.5gbps ready router.

I just want to pay a reasonable price for 500mbps man...

If they bundle it with digital voice and ipv4 can already for me.

 

[weiess]

if SIMBA didn't screw up and start launching other plans..
2.5gbps @$20, 1gbps @$10, 500mbps @$5... like that hosay liao...

 

[sky1978]

if SIMBA didn't screw up and start launching other plans..
2.5gbps @$20, 1gbps @$10, 500mbps @$5... like that hosay liao...

Not possible lah. Everyone pays Netlink $13++ per connection regardless of whether your plan is 500, 1000, 2500 or 10000Mbps. The floor is set by Netlink pricing. So most likely scenario is phasing out 500Mbps and the market is only left with 1Gbps and above plans.

 

[abramovich]

hope it gets better down the road..
though at 20 is a good deal. but as what u mentioned, one must give up public ipv4, ipv6 and digital voice.. sianzz..

No ipv4 or ipv6 means cannot use NAS correct?

 

[Mach3.2]

No ipv4 or ipv6 means cannot use NAS correct?

tailscale.

 

[xiaofan]

Not possible lah. Everyone pays Netlink $13++ per connection regardless of whether your plan is 500, 1000, 2500 or 10000Mbps. The floor is set by Netlink pricing. So most likely scenario is phasing out 500Mbps and the market is only left with 1Gbps and above plans.

Indeed this may well be the likely outcome.

My guess for base plan pricing: Singtel will usually charge a bit higher.
1Gbps -- S$20 to S$30
Dual 1Gbps -- S$30 to S$40
2.5G plan -- S$20 (SIMBA) to S$40
Dual 2.5G plan -- S$50 to S$60
10G plan -- S$50 to S$80

 

[chiu2000]

Indeed this may well be the likely outcome.

My guess for base plan pricing: Singtel will usually charge a bit higher.
1Gbps -- S$20 to S$30
Dual 1Gbps -- S$30 to S$40
2.5G plan -- S$20 (SIMBA) to S$40
Dual 2.5G plan -- S$50 to S$60
10G plan -- S$50 to S$80

Imho i think ISP will offer only 1G, 2.5G and 10G in the future.

Time to eliminate the 1+1G crap