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For those who want to replace the 1gbps routers to a 2.5gbps one, I think acquiring it from SIMBA (from the 2 options) is a no-brainer. I prefer to make Simba a one-stop shop so they can do end-to-end troubleshooting. They'll have no excuse that router is not compatible/spoil/low-end whatever.
I would rather look for Asus and install Merlin firmware for adblocker from the router. I HATE ads.

If it down, means down. Nothing to do with the router. We can always direct wire connect from the modem to test the broadband. If the broadband is working but the router not working then, it is obvious that the router is the problem. They would probably advise to replace the router anyway. Anyway, 1 Gbps is more than enough for me and have no intension of changing my router.
 

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hi everyone - using speedtest.sgix.sg

D:981.9
U: 943.5

Can't seem to go above 1000

Malaysia DIGI i can hit 1.2gps download ;700mbps upload.

THis is direct to modem. quite disappointed tbh. but i guess 900++ is onpar with starhub and for 20sgd a month.... so be it.
 

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I've 2 questions for you experts:

(1) I've an AX1800 router, does it make sense to upgrade the router to AX3000 or even higher? I'm on Whizcomms 1gbps and might later subscribe to Simba 2.5gbps or even MyRepublic 10gbps.

(2) my router has 2.4ghz and 5ghz WIFI. I tried implementing 1 single SSID and 2 separate SSIDs, how come for my case using the 5ghz band of the 2 separate SSID is faster than combining into 1 single SSID? By right combining into 1 single SSID should be faster right? Any possible tips for troubleshooting?

Thanks in advance for all answers!
 

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how come for my case using the 5ghz band of the 2 separate SSID is faster than combining into 1 single SSID?
brutal honest truth: poor wireless design and wifi is hard to get right

I'd say all consumer wifi routers max out the transmit power on all bands, and this results in a stronger 2.4GHz signal most of the time, especially the further you move from your router.
Client devices are programmed to prefer stronger signal (simplistic explanation, some devices have more elaborate decision tree), and as you move further from the wifi router, your devices might roam over to the 2.4GHz band if they are not already connected to it in the first place.
Since the 2.4GHz signal will be stronger than the 5GHz signal, your device almost never roam back onto the faster 5GHz signal.

Newer devices have better roaming logic and decision so in certain cases the above won't be as noticible.


My way around it is to design for 5GHz only, then seperate out the bands and turn down the 2.4GHz radio transmit power so the signal from one wifi router doesn't overlap too much with the other wifi router.
Devices that can use 5GHz stay on it, legacy devices use the 2.4GHz only SSID.

By right combining into 1 single SSID should be faster right?
Afaik only on wifi7 with MLO. Wifi standard prior to wifi7 uses only a single band at any one time.


Actually at the end of the day, I don't see any point in chasing wifi 7, MLO, et,al at the moment.
It's good that tech advances, but i still struggle to identify a use case. ~500Mbps over Wifi 5 is good enough for me. :)
 

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My way around it is to design for 5GHz only, then seperate out the bands and turn down the 2.4GHz radio transmit power so the signal from one wifi router doesn't overlap too much with the other wifi router.
Devices that can use 5GHz stay on it, legacy devices use the 2.4GHz only SSID.

I go one step further. I strip 2.4GHz devices totally a few years back and use multiple 5GHz bands (i am sure my neighbors hates me :D)
5GHz coverage can be almost as good as 2.4GHz if people know what they are doing. The first thing i avoid is those multiple same band wifi routers... from RF standpoint it complicates things and the designers are more likely to adopt compromises like lowering tx power and other mitigations.
 

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Actually at the end of the day, I don't see any point in chasing wifi 7, MLO, et,al at the moment.
It's good that tech advances, but i still struggle to identify a use case. ~500Mbps over Wifi 5 is good enough for me. :)

& that wifi7 MLO features on 5GHz + 6GHz i still can understand.
But simi sai logic MLO on already constipated 2.4Ghz ... :s22:
 

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I took a look at wifi analyser.

It seems like 2.4ghz strength, ie. its long range, is also its curse. It boggles me to see how congested my 2.4ghz wifi is - from perhaps neighbours 2 to 3 units away!

5ghz is much less congested and 6ghz is in pristine condition with no takers! Lol!
 

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5ghz is much less congested and 6ghz is in pristine condition with no takers! Lol!

you wait.... both will be as congested very very soon...
where i stay... non dfs 5GHz is almost as congested as 2.4GHz..
6GHz started to pop up but tx power is still low but no dfs... and that very very bad news for me :D
 

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Sucess to switch to Simba from Singtel.
It's actually as good as Singtel.
I play KOK from CN server.
Delay was just 35-45ms.
20S$ haha! Singtel go die!
 

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I've 2 questions for you experts:

(1) I've an AX1800 router, does it make sense to upgrade the router to AX3000 or even higher? I'm on Whizcomms 1gbps and might later subscribe to Simba 2.5gbps or even MyRepublic 10gbps.

(2) my router has 2.4ghz and 5ghz WIFI. I tried implementing 1 single SSID and 2 separate SSIDs, how come for my case using the 5ghz band of the 2 separate SSID is faster than combining into 1 single SSID? By right combining into 1 single SSID should be faster right? Any possible tips for troubleshooting?

Thanks in advance for all answers!
Having separate SSIDs for 2.5G and 5G means you need to manually switch networks when the signal is weak. This can be better for gaming, but it also means you might be using a weak network channel without realizing it.

I'm just on the way ahead you.
I use a XIAOMI 10 Gigabit Router, It's wifi 7 and support MLO.
MLO means device can use 2.4/5/6 G chanel simultaneously.
So I just changed my network card from ax210 to be200.
Of course, in addition to MLO, WiFi 7 also brings many other technological updates. In any case, using new devices will always be faster and more stable.
 

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& that wifi7 MLO features on 5GHz + 6GHz i still can understand.
But simi sai logic MLO on already constipated 2.4Ghz ... :s22:

Actually from the test results of a few Chinese Youtubers' review of China WiFi 7 routers (no 6GHz band), 2.4GHz + 5GHz MLO can be useful to reduce latency at weaker 5GHz area. Speed improvement is not significant but latency reduction is useful.

Of course 5GHz + 6GHz MLO is really useful to improve the speed.

Reference: screenshot from the following review video, 2.4G+5G MLO helps to reduce wireless gaming latency, espically when 5GHz signal is weaker
CP1 -- close range, WiFi Signal is strong
CP3 -- far range, WiFi Sigal is weaker.

hColsHs.png


 

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I go one step further. I strip 2.4GHz devices totally a few years back and use multiple 5GHz bands (i am sure my neighbors hates me :D)
5GHz coverage can be almost as good as 2.4GHz if people know what they are doing. The first thing i avoid is those multiple same band wifi routers... from RF standpoint it complicates things and the designers are more likely to adopt compromises like lowering tx power and other mitigations.

I also disable 2.4GHz for my Asus RT-AX86U router. Then I have another wireless router RT-AX82U on another network with another SSID, with 2.4GHz/5GHz bandsteering. My few legacy 2.4GHz clients will be only on the RT-AX82U side -- I need to switch to that SSID to access my network printer but that is fine.

And indeed usually triband WiFi 6 router (2 x 5GHz band) will have less coverage due to the interference between 5GHz-1 band and 5GHz-2 band. than comparable dual-band WiFi 6 router. So it is actually better to use dual band router if you can use Ethernet backhaul. Triband WiFi 6 router is more useful when you need to use Wireless Backhaul.

For true WiFI 7 router (or WiFi 6E router), then at least it is triband (2.4GHz, 5GHz, 6GHz) but at least the interference between 5GHz and 6GHz is not that bad compared to 5GHz-1/5GHz-2 band of Triband WiFi 6 router.

But then the high end quad-band WiFi 7 is more useful for wireless backhaul and not really better than triband WiFi 7 mesh router if using Ethernet backhaul, due to the interference between 5GHz-1 and 5GHz-2 band (or 6GHz-1 / 6GHz-2 band).

Reference review from Dongknows.
TP-Link Deco BE95 quad-band is not that better than Deco BE85 triband WiFi 7 router
https://dongknows.com/tp-link-deco-be95-wi-fi-7-mesh-system-review/
 

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you wait.... both will be as congested very very soon...
where i stay... non dfs 5GHz is almost as congested as 2.4GHz..
6GHz started to pop up but tx power is still low but no dfs... and that very very bad news for me :D

2.4GHz is hopelessly congested for most of the people in Singapore since most of us living in high-rise buildings (HDB or Condo). For 5GHz, it may depend on the locations of the unit. Certain corner units may have less interferences from the neighbours.

For older HDB flat with thick walls, 6GHz signal will be difficult to penetrate the wall so it will be better than 5GHz when it comes to the interferences from the neighbours. For newer flats -- I think 6GHz congestion will be better than 5GHz as well but probably less helpful than older HDB flats.

If Singapore opens up 6GHz-2 band the things will be even better for 6GHz but I am not so sure if that will happen at all (Singapore may well follow Europe decisions).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
 

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Actually at the end of the day, I don't see any point in chasing wifi 7, MLO, et,al at the moment.
It's good that tech advances, but i still struggle to identify a use case. ~500Mbps over Wifi 5 is good enough for me.

If you can get 500MHz over WiFi 5 for the full flat, indeed you do not need to upgrade.

On the other hand, for WiFi 7 clients, there are many useful improvement.
1) MLO is not only able to improve the speed, but it helps to reduce latency. I can see this is quite useful, even the useless 2.4GHz suddenly becomes useful.

The following picture is from the above Youtube video (2.4GHz + 5GHz MLO).
hColsHs.png


2) People do not mention MRU and PREAMBLE PUNCTURING that much compared to MLO, but in reality it is really very useful to improve the reliability of WiFi 7.
https://www.mediatek.com/blog/get-f...-7-connectivity-with-mru-and-smart-puncturing
https://www.ruckusnetworks.com/blog/2023/wi-fi-7-and-punctured-transmission/

3) 320MHz channel bandwidth (WiFi 7 feature) may be useful on the 6GHz band if 6GHz-2 is approved. But since it is not approved in Singapore, 320MHz channel bandwidth is probably not that useful.

However, it can be easier to get 160MHz channel bandwidth working on the 6GHz compared to getting 160MHz channel bandwidth on the 5GHz band.

6GHz band is not introduced by WiFi 7, but WiFi 7 is really driving the adoption of 6GHz band. In reality NO point buying WiFi 6E routers in Singapore at all, just wait for WiFi 7 router to get cheaper. And if you need a WiFi router now, go ahead and buy a WiFi 6 router instead.

4) I tend to think 4096 QAM is not that useful. Test results from various reviews show that it is no better than 1024 QAM. This is because 4096 QAM needs very good WiFi environment which is difficult in densely populated Singapore.
 
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UNII-4 ie another 80MHz spectrum ch 165-177 is more useful.. but regulatory approval nowhere in sight
most if not all asus 5GHz wifi can be "manipulated" to use it NOW. problem is that client cannot connect to it. different matter if u use those channels to create a wireless bridge between asus AP that includes the now EOL AC68U

my view is that 6GHz will clog up like 5GHz non DFS channels in as short as the next 12 months. and because that are no DFS channels in 6GHz.. it free for all..

i used to detest DFS channels.. now I love them,,, lol
 

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Of course 5GHz + 6GHz MLO is really useful to improve the speed.

Reference: screenshot from the following review video, 2.4G+5G MLO helps to reduce wireless gaming latency, espically when 5GHz signal is weaker
CP1 -- close range, WiFi Signal is strong
CP3 -- far range, WiFi Sigal is weaker.

hColsHs.png

Not nitpicking but for a proper latency test on real-time-sensitive services , it should include jitter test as well which is more profound in the interference-sensitive wifi spectrum.

Wondering what will be the outcome whacked by Crusader or RRUL Flent :unsure:
 

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Not nitpicking but for a proper latency test on real-time-sensitive services , it should include jitter test as well which is more profound in the interference-sensitive wifi spectrum.

Wondering what will be the outcome whacked by Crusader or RRUL Flent :unsure:

That will be challenging, I guess you will not be able to find any such info. Maybe you can be the first one to carry out such tests. :D

No Chinese Youtubers are using RRUL Flent. Crusader is even new and not many people are using it.

Other Youtube reviews for consumer WiFi 7 routers will have even less technical contents than the Chinese Youtube reviewers like 知电小春哥.
 
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