Singtel hi! Discussion Thread

[keenklee]

there is no 5G SA roaming at the moment.

at least for Singapore users that are travelling overseas, you won't get 5G SA roaming until next year - at the earliest.

also can you share which network were you connected to in China? i assume you were using Hi?

IMHO.
I use mainly Singtel Hi but also tried Singtel Sim Only and Zym.
I think it was CMCC - China Mobile CC ? Not sure what CC means.
I tried the other telco, same thing, 5G NSA only.

 

[xiaofan]

IMHO.
I use mainly Singtel Hi but also tried Singtel Sim Only and Zym.
I think it was CMCC - China Mobile CC ? Not sure what CC means.
I tried the other telco, same thing, 5G NSA only.

CMCC: China Mobile Communications Corporation

 

[gnowyx]

Yes CMCC is China Mobile.

5G SA roaming only would be ready after testing is completed - this is the same process for all SG telcos - they have to find a few partner operators to test first.

like i mentioned, earliest would likely be next year and selected operators only (not even countries ah!)

talked to many operators worldwide and many are not keen to start 5G SA roaming. especially europe - i think you won't see 5G SA roaming until 2030 for them. many of them still have not shut down 3G.

actually many operators are puzzled and unhappy SG shut down 5G NSA (their concern is that their subscribers roaming in SG cannot see 5G anymore)

can't even blame IMDA because the telcos in SG supported the shutdown.

i don't understand the rationale TBH

 

[xiaofan]

Yes CMCC is China Mobile.

5G SA roaming only would be ready after testing is completed - this is the same process for all SG telcos - they have to find a few partner operators to test first.

like i mentioned, earliest would likely be next year and selected operators only (not even countries ah!)

talked to many operators worldwide and many are not keen to start 5G SA roaming. especially europe - i think you won't see 5G SA roaming until 2030 for them. many of them still have not shut down 3G.

actually many operators are puzzled and unhappy SG shut down 5G NSA (their concern is that their subscribers roaming in SG cannot see 5G anymore)

can't even blame IMDA because the telcos in SG supported the shutdown.

i don't understand the rationale TBH

I think Singtel was reluctant.

M1/Starhub probably supports it.

I would still think IMDA is to blame here...

 

[Fellowes]

Yes CMCC is China Mobile.

5G SA roaming only would be ready after testing is completed - this is the same process for all SG telcos - they have to find a few partner operators to test first.

like i mentioned, earliest would likely be next year and selected operators only (not even countries ah!)

talked to many operators worldwide and many are not keen to start 5G SA roaming. especially europe - i think you won't see 5G SA roaming until 2030 for them. many of them still have not shut down 3G.

actually many operators are puzzled and unhappy SG shut down 5G NSA (their concern is that their subscribers roaming in SG cannot see 5G anymore)

can't even blame IMDA because the telcos in SG supported the shutdown.

i don't understand the rationale TBH

What make operators not keen to provide roaming 5G SA? Cost? Infrastructure not fully setup for country wide 90% and beyond coverage?

You said many operators not happy SG shutdown 5G NSA, maybe can nego for 5G SA roaming with our traffic light telcos for those having 5G SA SIM but should be more expensive for those foreigners operator.

Those cheap roaming data SIM from shopee like ICC, NPM etc their SIM I think very likely is up to 5G NSA only, definitely not a 5G SA SIM.

Even our 5G SA as of now already not provided full SA coverage since most of them drop to 4G since 5G NSA shutdown so idk what is their claim of full coverage standard by IMDA.

 

[keenklee]

IMHO.
Our telco like going backwards.

 

[gnowyx]

What make operators not keen to provide roaming 5G SA? Cost? Infrastructure not fully setup for country wide 90% and beyond coverage?

You said many operators not happy SG shutdown 5G NSA, maybe can nego for 5G SA roaming with our traffic light telcos for those having 5G SA SIM but should be more expensive for those foreigners operator.

Those cheap roaming data SIM from shopee like ICC, NPM etc their SIM I think very likely is up to 5G NSA only, definitely not a 5G SA SIM.

Even our 5G SA as of now already not provided full SA coverage since most of them drop to 4G since 5G NSA shutdown so idk what is their claim of full coverage standard by IMDA.

so companies will only provide under 2 scenarios: either tio forced to, or they can monetise

5G SA is like a new infrastructure, and roaming on 5G SA requires investment, new billing system etc etc, this will affect from business to finance. european countries mostly do not have 5G SA locally, so they have no incentive to do this for roaming. remember, you need both operators to have this billing system to tally the charges, no point buying this system when you don't even have 5G SA locally... you are essentially paying money to the other operator when your subscribers roam there.

next, roaming sim or travel sim - ICC, NPM, Airalo, Nomad, Eskimo, Firsty and many more, to make things simple, they are actually purchasing sim cards (esim usually) from telcos. And they sell the sim cards to consumers like us. so if these sim cards come from telcos, you can be rest assured there will be no 5G SA roaming. ultimately, infrastructure is still dependent on telcos.

 

[Fellowes]

IMHO.
Our telco like going backwards.

We are get more 4G signal and coverage now. Pay for 5G get 4G! Woohoo, pay more for less!

 

[keenklee]

We are get more 4G signal and coverage now. Pay for 5G get 4G! Woohoo, pay more for less!

IMHO.
That's my point that i rant around in this forum.