[Skincare] Everything Sunscreen

[Renzokukenz]

I've been using etude house sunprise lotion. Physical sunscreen spf50+ pa+++

Pretty decent finish with even better price at <10 for 55ml.

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again this is why it is important to research your skin care
sure the product you mention is indeed economical
but are you spending money to make your skin worse?

spending $30 on a sunscreen that protects your skin
vs
spending $15 on a sunscreen that is bad for your skin

might as well don't spend the $15 right?

Sunprise Mild Airy Finish SPF50+/PA+++

Ingredient list

Water, Cyclopentasiloxane, Zinc Oxide, Alcohol, Dicaprylyl Ether, Dipropylene Glycol, Titanium Dioxide, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Viscum Album (Mistletoe) Leaf Extract, Portulaca Oleracea Extract, Centella Asiatica Extract, Opuntia Ficus-Indica Extract, Carex Humillis Root Extract, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil, Eucalyptus Globulus Leaf Oil, Pinus Sylvestris Leaf Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil, Euterpe Oleracea Fruit Extract, Malpighia Emarginata (Acerola) Fruit Extract, Terminalia Ferdinandiana Fruit Extract, Echium Plantagineum Seed Oil, Adansonia Digitata Seed Oil, Hyaluronic Acid, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Cardiospermum Halicacabum Flower/Leaf/Vine Extract, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil Unsaponifiables, Vinyl Dimethicone/Methicone Silsesquioxane Crosspolymer, Peg-10 Dimethicone, Cyclomethicone, Magnesium Sulfate, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Methicone, 1,2-Hexanediol, Aluminum Hydroxide, Methyl Methacrylate Crosspolymer, Caprylyl Glycol, Octyldodecanol, Dimethicone, Stearic Acid, Glyceryl Caprylate, Polyglyceryl-6 Polyricinoleate, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Butylene Glycol, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Cellulose Gum

On why alcohol in skincare is bad:
https://www.paulaschoice.com/expert...care-tips/alcohol-in-skin-care-the-facts.html

I talked about it on post #14 of this thread: here

I also created a new post on this here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/120636614-post5.html

End up saving money become wasting money because the cheaper products you buy result in causing the problem you want to prevent.

Sunscreen is used to prevent premature aging
Alcohol (e.g. denatured alcohol, alcohol, ethanol) with prolonged use will end up speeding up aging

 

[harky]

The BIORE Aqua, i think got Alcohol, dunno why THAT website nv write.
Aiya but nvm, i like the liquid textual

Will try SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk but online like bo lang buy sia.......

 

[Renzokukenz]

The BIORE Aqua, i think got Alcohol, dunno why THAT website nv write.
Aiya but nvm, i like the liquid textual

Will try SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk but online like bo lang buy sia.......

really must try the Shiseido MILD milk, really damn good
but must let it dry and must shake before use

please avoid alcohol!!!

 

[harky]

Lol. Their better sell product is Anessa Perfect UV Sunscreen Skincare Milk

 

[Renzokukenz]

Lol. Their better sell product is Anessa Perfect UV Sunscreen Skincare Milk

ya cause the Mild Milk is a relatively new product

and also not a lot of people know about the perils of alcohol in skincare
but the science is clear.
that's why I created this thread on HWZ loh. I really hope more people become skin-savvy

the texture of the one with alcohol is probably slightly better
but again will you really want something that makes you age?

I think it is important to support the products with no alcohol so that manufacturers will get the hint and make better products that contain no alcohol

anyway your Biore one if it is this one

https://www.guardian.com.sg/biore-uv-aqua-rich-watery-essence-spf-50-pa-50ml/p/602524

just checked
contains alcohol

 

[Renzokukenz]

if you're still not convinced about alcohol go see my 5th post. I just created it an hour ago haha

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/120636614-post5.html

 

[systemsgo]

to be honest, everyone's skin reacts differently to different ingredients. some people can "tolerate alcohol" better than others.

for me, if methicone, dimethicone and other-cones is very far in front (top 3) ingredients, i will not buy it. even if it's in the top 10 ingredients, i will often have a poor reaction, so i just try to weigh how much i like the product to the ingredients list.


i use 2 brands of sunblock

porcelain face spa - sunscreen / daily use

and cle de peau sunscreen.
i only use this option when i don't use foundation as it has more coverage. it;s actually quite bad if you consider it as a sunscreen, but i consider it as my lightweight make up so i can accept that it has quite high levels of silicones

 

[harky]

Got alcohol, dry fast ma.. Lol

Because you say that Mild Milk wait for it to dry... Lol

 

[systemsgo]

Got alcohol, dry fast ma.. Lol

Because you say that Mild Milk wait for it to dry... Lol

actually all sunscreen takes 10 - 15 mins to be fully absorbed into the skin, so it's always advisable to put it on first while you get ready. and then apply your make up after/go out after 15 mins to ensure that your sunscreen is working at 100%

 

[Renzokukenz]

to be honest, everyone's skin reacts differently to different ingredients. some people can "tolerate alcohol" better than others.

for me, if methicone, dimethicone and other-cones is very far in front (top 3) ingredients, i will not buy it. even if it's in the top 10 ingredients, i will often have a poor reaction, so i just try to weigh how much i like the product to the ingredients list.


i use 2 brands of sunblock

porcelain face spa - sunscreen / daily use

and cle de peau sunscreen.
i only use this option when i don't use foundation as it has more coverage. it;s actually quite bad if you consider it as a sunscreen, but i consider it as my lightweight make up so i can accept that it has quite high levels of silicones

Thank you for joining the thread!!!
Finally some skin enthusiast here!!

To be honest I am not very knowledgeable with Dimethicone. But for someone like you who is sensitive to Dimethicone, it would mean you should avoid using Primers, and if you do use them, you need to cleanse it off after a day thoroughly

You are also right that we all have different tolerance level
however, the thing with alcohol is that with prolonged use, regardless of your tolerance level, it will be bad for your skin.

For example, some people get admitted straightaway to the hospital if they ate a little bit of pesticide, but maybe a tolerant person can eat the same amount and not be brought to A&E without any adverse reactions. But it is obvious that eating pesticide can't be a good idea. The tolerant person shouldn't eat pesticide, even if he can take it.

So the same goes for alcohol. It is not good for you, yes you can tahan, but why even have it in the first place?
Point being, alcohol is bad for skin health regardless to of tolerance level, this is backed by science!!!

Anyhow welcome to the thread!!!

 

[harky]

this kid version ok a nt... maybe can get it to try

https://www.watsons.com.sg/-uv-kids-milk-spf-50-90g/p/BP_66657

 

[Renzokukenz]

eh why you want to buy kid's version
anyway this one is chemical sunscreen so I won't use it if you ask me

go to any Watson store, they got a tester for the Mild Milk I recommend, which is safe for kids btw

 

[harky]

for kid ma.. should be safe

eh why you want to buy kid's version
anyway this one is chemical sunscreen so I won't use it if you ask me

go to any Watson store, they got a tester for the Mild Milk I recommend, which is safe for kids btw

 

[systemsgo]

Thank you for joining the thread!!!
Finally some skin enthusiast here!!

To be honest I am not very knowledgeable with Dimethicone. But for someone like you who is sensitive to Dimethicone, it would mean you should avoid using Primers, and if you do use them, you need to cleanse it off after a day thoroughly

You are also right that we all have different tolerance level
however, the thing with alcohol is that with prolonged use, regardless of your tolerance level, it will be bad for your skin.

For example, some people get admitted straightaway to the hospital if they ate a little bit of pesticide, but maybe a tolerant person can eat the same amount and not be brought to A&E without any adverse reactions. But it is obvious that eating pesticide can't be a good idea. The tolerant person shouldn't eat pesticide, even if he can take it.

So the same goes for alcohol. It is not good for you, yes you can tahan, but why even have it in the first place?
Point being, alcohol is bad for skin health regardless to of tolerance level, this is backed by science!!!

Anyhow welcome to the thread!!!

HI! haha. very rare to find people in hwz with interest in skin/face etc!

yes, i avoid using primers. especially those that promise to "hide your pores". those are among the worst for my skin. the more they "blur" your skin, the worst they are.

actually i'm waiting around for more research on alcohol on skin by other sources, because from "older" and more proven research, it is among the top 2 most effective means to increase ingredient absorption for our skin.

in my non-scientific-mind, wouldn't the drying factor of alcohol be wiped out as your skin is able to quickly absorb your creamy/serumy nutrients?


for example, although there are many reasons to also avoid silicones on skin (also proven scientifically), many people are using it to no detriment and sometimes, it even helps their skin.
https://theskincareedit.com/2017/03/28/why-avoid-silicones-on-skin

 

[Renzokukenz]

for kid ma.. should be safe

all products are safe la

even with alcohol
alcohol is safe

but just that with prolonged used it is not good for the skin
prolonged = every day for months

 

[Renzokukenz]

HI! haha. very rare to find people in hwz with interest in skin/face etc!

yes, i avoid using primers. especially those that promise to "hide your pores". those are among the worst for my skin. the more they "blur" your skin, the worst they are.

actually i'm waiting around for more research on alcohol on skin by other sources, because from "older" and more proven research, it is among the top 2 most effective means to increase ingredient absorption for our skin.

in my non-scientific-mind, wouldn't the drying factor of alcohol be wiped out as your skin is able to quickly absorb your creamy/serumy nutrients?


for example, although there are many reasons to also avoid silicones on skin (also proven scientifically), many people are using it to no detriment and sometimes, it even helps their skin.
https://theskincareedit.com/2017/03/28/why-avoid-silicones-on-skin

from my own non-scientific opinion

alcohol is basically a solvent.
I think how alcohol improves absorption is by literally semi-dissolving the most upper layer of your skin (epidermis) so that the ingredients can go deeper into perhaps the hypodermis area

(check this diagram out, i can't seem to make the image appear on the forum so yea)
https://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/w...es/skin.jpg?resize=646px:*&output-quality=100

again from my non-scientific understanding, alcohol might actually dissolve even until the Dermis layer

so alcohol might be bad because if used daily, you are literally melting away your skin (though not entirely but structurally), and hence overall leads to a very compromised skin barrier health which then is followed by irritation and sensitivity

I am unsure if the above is the exact scientific mechanics of alcohol, but it is what I inferred from all the readings

making pores look smaller without dimethicone seems like a high order though. I think I came across an advertisement on this whereby a specific brand makes primers and pores look smaller specifically without the use of dimethicone. I can't seem to find the advertisement anywhere now though

 

[Wishdom]

eh why you want to buy kid's version
anyway this one is chemical sunscreen so I won't use it if you ask me

go to any Watson store, they got a tester for the Mild Milk I recommend, which is safe for kids btw

Anessa milk actually came into my radar a while back. Loved the ingredients and advance chemical filters which US sunscreens have not adopted.

It's just the price though..

How is it's finish and white cast?

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[Renzokukenz]

Hi Wishdom

It doesn’t leave a white cast it is a matte finish but that is only if you let it dry first.
Every Watson currently have a very tiny booth within the shop to let you try
I can sing praises about it but I think you’ll get to know way more if you try it out in person

The ingredients and coverage is better than quite a number of more expensive brands sold in Sephora.

Again would like to emphasize on getting the no alcohol version
Mild Milk

 

[systemsgo]

https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/

@ TS

try this article maybe? your previous articles have been quite one sided on the negatives only

it can be bad or it can be good. no way to say with a 100% guarantee because we don’t understand how formulations work but if someone does know, i would love to learn more.

and yes. i don’t use those pore minimising primers at all.

Posted with my phone laaaa. HardwareZone Forums app

 

[Renzokukenz]

https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/

@ TS

try this article maybe? your previous articles have been quite one sided on the negatives only

it can be bad or it can be good. no way to say with a 100% guarantee because we don’t understand how formulations work but if someone does know, i would love to learn more.

and yes. i don’t use those pore minimising primers at all.

Posted with my phone laaaa. HardwareZone Forums app

you need to read post #5

and this is taken from your own link

On initial usage, they help in degreasing your skin and removing surface bacteria. However, when used for a long time, they interfere with the barrier function of the skin and dissolve the lipid layer which helps in protecting your skin and keeping it hydrated. When the skin barrier is impaired, it becomes prone to viruses, bacteria and allergens. When skin cells are dehydrated your chances of getting fine lines and wrinkles are increased. It also increases the risk of contact dermatitis.

what your link says basically agreed with EVERYTHING that I have been nagging at lol

please read post #5 of this thread

ALCOHOL IS BAD
more precisely, non-fatty alcohol IS BAD as mentioned by your link

the science is clear there are no articles that say otherwise. (once again, your article is saying the same thing as I have been saying)

Alcohol such as denatured alcohol, and other alcohol that are not fatty, are all BAD FOR YOUR SKIN

fatty alcohols are good for your skin
fatty alcohols are are UNLIKE ALCOHOLS, fatty alcohols are usually very cream-like in texture

fatty alcohols and alcohols are NOT THE SAME