[Skincare] Everything Sunscreen

[Renzokukenz]

Hi - Wouls just like to share that I got SK11 sun cream for face and it is VERY good - not oily at all and nice texture

The main ingredient is Octocrylene
https://www.sk-ii.com.sg/product/sunscreen/atmosphere-uv-emulsion-spf-50

When it comes to people with expensive skincare products, I just want to say one thing,
expensive does not equate good
You still need to do your own reading or at least have some basic understanding of key ingredients. There are many big brands out there which do a HUGE markup on their price but actually, still contain shyt that are bad for your skin (scientifically speaking)

Many people refuse to believe they spent big money on things that actually aren't that good.

I implore you to google "Is Octocrylene Bad?" or "Side effects of Octocrylene" or "Octocrylene in Cosmetics". Or actually, you can just read one of the posts (here) on the first page of this thread, which talks about the main ingredient your expensive product is mainly made of.

If you actually read all the scientific articles and explanation I have provided on the first page of this page, you would know what I mean. But well, it has a hazard rating of 3 (here), so I guess it is one of the safer chemical UV blocking ingredients.

Please do enjoy your product.
You spent money on things that bring you joy, that's all that matters.
There's nothing wrong with that so don't take me wrongly.

Just that if you ask me, I won't personally buy that.

 

[eddmundd]

Alcohol in Skincare is bad for your skin
Avoid alcohols in your skincare products

You wouldn't think applying a hand sanitizer on your face is good for your skin would you? (hand sanitizers are made with more than 90% alcohol)

So why would you want to apply skincare products with alcohol in them in your skin?

Articles explaining why alcohols are bad for your skin

#1 https://www.truthinaging.com/review/alcohol-in-cosmetics-is-it-safe
#2 https://www.paulaschoice.com/expert...care-tips/alcohol-in-skin-care-the-facts.html
#3 https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/#Why_is_Alcohol_Bad_for_Your_Skin

Source: https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/#Why_is_Alcohol_Bad_for_Your_Skin

TL : DR

Good Alcohols (alcohols that are acceptable) :

• Cetyl Alcohol
• Stearyl Alcohol
• Cetearyl Alcohol
• Any other fatty alcohol

Bad Alcohols (alcohols to be avoided) :

• ethanol
• denatured alcohol
• ethyl alcohol
• methanol
• benzyl alcohol
• isopropyl alcohol
• sd alcohol

This list is non-exhaustive

Are those -yl bad alcohol?

Ingredients
Cyclopentasiloxane, Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Zinc Oxide, Dimethicone, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Lauryl Methacrylate/Sodium Methacrylate Crosspolymer, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Titanium Dioxide, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Talc, Methicone, PEG-12 Dimethicone, PEG-3 Dimethicone, Polysilicone-9, Alumina, Silica, Fragrance (Parfum), BHT, Tocopherol, Sodium Hyaluronate, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben

 

[systemsgo]

this formulation has a lot of silicones and also contains parabens.

upside is that they use 'natural' minerals (such as zinc oxide) for sun protection. instead of chemical protection.

Are those -yl bad alcohol?

Ingredients
Cyclopentasiloxane, Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Zinc Oxide, Dimethicone, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Lauryl Methacrylate/Sodium Methacrylate Crosspolymer, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Titanium Dioxide, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Talc, Methicone, PEG-12 Dimethicone, PEG-3 Dimethicone, Polysilicone-9, Alumina, Silica, Fragrance (Parfum), BHT, Tocopherol, Sodium Hyaluronate, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben

 

[systemsgo]

SK II is actually known among many skincare enthusiasts as being pretty bad for the skin.

I suggest to always avoid using them whenever possible. SK II pricing isn't that far off from la mer, which I find much better. and if you use it sparingly, it can last for a while.

one non-scientific feedback I have and have always heard is that your skin feels nice as long as you keep using it. but if you stop, even if you switch back to SK II, your skin no longer feels the same (as nice).

Hi - Wouls just like to share that I got SK11 sun cream for face and it is VERY good - not oily at all and nice texture

 

[tapiocamypearl]

Interesting to hear that feedback on SK11.... but the pricing is still way cheaper than Lamer - it’s half the price...

 

[honeydewmelater]

Lamer is SUPER EX ahaha - cannot being myself to buy it

 

[Renzokukenz]

Are those -yl bad alcohol?

Ingredients
Cyclopentasiloxane, Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Zinc Oxide, Dimethicone, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Lauryl Methacrylate/Sodium Methacrylate Crosspolymer, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Titanium Dioxide, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Talc, Methicone, PEG-12 Dimethicone, PEG-3 Dimethicone, Polysilicone-9, Alumina, Silica, Fragrance (Parfum), BHT, Tocopherol, Sodium Hyaluronate, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben

I don't have any background in chemistry or experience with formulation, so to be very honest. I do not know.
But when such things happen I will google all the ingredients one-by-one

but I already saw a big no no ingredient being the 3rd most abundant ingredient in your product highlighted above

so straightaway fail already

 

[mytaroavocado]

It’s the alcohol that isn’t good?

 

[Renzokukenz]

Lamer is SUPER EX ahaha - cannot being myself to buy it

Some of Lamer products are worth it because they have some extracts that other brands do not have

but such special extracts are not studied.
No one knows if the special extract do anything at all

• Are they Stable? - does the special extract rot or denature overtime when opened?
• Is it Bioavailable ?? - Will this special extract get absorbed into the skin at all? (what is its molecular weight?)
• Does it actually work?? (are there studies done that specifically says this ingredient resulted in better skin?)

The company who spent money on making the special extracts will of course pay labs to prove or say things that are positive about their own special extracts. But are there any independent studies? Lab studies not funded by the company they are investigating??

There are ingredients that are PROVEN to work and are well known, just to name a few:

• Niacinamide
• Vitamin A (Retinol)
• Vitamin C (it is very important to know what type of vitamin C though)
• AHA/BHA

Some other Lamer products are total rip-offs, with the most abundant ingredient being the same thing of what vaseline is made of

You are paying mostly for the marketing, the prestige to be part of the tai-tai club. That is all fine and all if you are financially in surplus (like above middle income) since you have money to burn.

But honestly, we aren't missing out much

 

[Renzokukenz]

Interesting to hear that feedback on SK11.... but the pricing is still way cheaper than Lamer - it’s half the price...

Then enjoy your product!!!

I personally will avoid chemical sunscreens but it is only rated 3, at least it is not the nasty ingredients rated high high up in the bad ingredient list

 

[Renzokukenz]

SK II is actually known among many skincare enthusiasts as being pretty bad for the skin.

I suggest to always avoid using them whenever possible. SK II pricing isn't that far off from la mer, which I find much better. and if you use it sparingly, it can last for a while.

one non-scientific feedback I have and have always heard is that your skin feels nice as long as you keep using it. but if you stop, even if you switch back to SK II, your skin no longer feels the same (as nice).

SKII essence (miracle water) has alcohol

The company knows it is bad but since the product got so popular, they don't want to risk reformulation

Missha, Time Revolution, The First Treatment Essence
is what many skin enthusiasts go to but what do you think about this systemsgo?

 

[Renzokukenz]

this formulation has a lot of silicones and also contains parabens.

upside is that they use 'natural' minerals (such as zinc oxide) for sun protection. instead of chemical protection.

Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate listed in the ingredient list is a Chemical UV Barrier

https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/704203/OCTINOXATE/

 

[harky]

i use before, i think quite gd but too ex to keep using it.

SKII essence (miracle water) has alcohol

The company knows it is bad but since the product got so popular, they don't want to risk reformulation

Missha, Time Revolution, The First Treatment Essence
is what many skin enthusiasts go to but what do you think about this systemsgo?

 

[CheeRs87]

Some of Lamer products are worth it because they have some extracts that other brands do not have

but such special extracts are not studied.
No one knows if the special extract do anything at all

• Are they Stable? - does the special extract rot or denature overtime when opened?
• Is it Bioavailable ?? - Will this special extract get absorbed into the skin at all? (what is its molecular weight?)
• Does it actually work?? (are there studies done that specifically says this ingredient resulted in better skin?)

The company who spent money on making the special extracts will of course pay labs to prove or say things that are positive about their own special extracts. But are there any independent studies? Lab studies not funded by the company they are investigating??

There are ingredients that are PROVEN to work and are well known, just to name a few:

• Niacinamide
• Vitamin A (Retinol)
• Vitamin C (it is very important to know what type of vitamin C though)
• AHA/BHA

Some other Lamer products are total rip-offs, with the most abundant ingredient being the same thing of what vaseline is made of

You are paying mostly for the marketing, the prestige to be part of the tai-tai club. That is all fine and all if you are financially in surplus (like above middle income) since you have money to burn.

But honestly, we aren't missing out much

Off topic abit. Whats the different types of Vit C? I thought they are all the same?

 

[Renzokukenz]

i use before, i think quite gd but too ex to keep using it.

https://sg.iherb.com/pr/Missha-Time...reatment-Essence-Intensive-Moist-150-ml/71148

then have a look at this

quite a number of people switch to this instead of the SKII

 

[Renzokukenz]

Off topic abit. Whats the different types of Vit C? I thought they are all the same?

Vitamin C is very notorious to work with

L-Ascorbic Acid is basically topical vitamin C
but the problem is once you open that bottle, and once the bottle of serum is exposed to air, L-Ascorbic Acid in its pure form will denature (aka rot away) and become totally ineffective (useless) after about a week. This is normal and not the fault of the manufacturer, after all, who would expect an apple after being cut in half to still be edible after a week?

This is why brands like Clinique come up with the weekly disposable vitamin serum here

Each tube suppose to last only 1 week

Other ways to fix the fragility of Vitamin C include creating derivatives that last longer but are not as effective as L-Ascorbic Acid

some of them may include:

• Ascorbyl palmitate (AP)
• Magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (MAP)
• Ascorbyl tetra-isopalmitoyl (ATIP)
• Ascorbic glucoside (my personal favorite)

All of them are made from L-Ascorbic Acid and all of them have different efficacy and behaviors. If you want to know more you can watch the video below:

 

[ThiamWan]

Vitamin C is very notorious to work with

L-Ascorbic Acid is basically topical vitamin C
but the problem is once you open that bottle, and once the bottle of serum is exposed to air, L-Ascorbic Acid in its pure form will denature (aka rot away) and become totally ineffective (useless) after about a week. This is normal and not the fault of the manufacturer, after all, who would expect an apple after being cut in half to still be edible?

This is why brands like Clinique come up with the weekly disposable vitamin serum here

Each tube suppose to last only 1 week

Other ways to fix the fragility of Vitamin C include creating derivatives that last longer but are not as effective as L-Ascorbic Acid

some of them may include:

• Ascorbyl palmitate (AP)
• Magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (MAP)
• Ascorbyl tetra-isopalmitoyl (ATIP)
• Ascorbic glucoside (my personal favorite)

All of them are made from L-Ascorbic Acid and all of them have different efficacy and behaviors. If you want to know more you can watch the video below:

Another off topic question. What’s your skin care routine like and what products you use?

 

[Renzokukenz]

Another off topic question. What’s your skin care routine like and what products you use?

There's something called the ABC of skincare:

but take note, Vitamin A and C should not be used together at the same time
Vitamin B and C should also not be used at the same time

so night time = Vit A + B
morning = C + antioxidants

vitamin A should not be started at too early an age and personally, I won't recommend anyone below the age of 25 to use it.
also, Vitamin A tends to trigger sensitivity
there are many things about Vitamin A that I am too lazy to explain, so do your own reading on Retinol/Vit A.
just in case it isn't clear enough, let me reiterate
Vitamin A is not an ingredient you jump into haphazardly without your own reading

I am using a brand that is no-nonsense, a brand that sells the most POTENT ingredient at a HIGH concentration, at a low price
but you need to know what you are doing
as with sunscreen, I avoid all non-fatty alcohol and make sure there's no questionable ingredient high up on the ingredient list

looking at the kind of comments and questions that are being asked here, I would not recommend it to people on this forum who most likely have very low-level skincare know-how.

 

[harky]

does the Vit useful????????

 

[Renzokukenz]

don't get into vitamin A unless you know how it works and what it cannot be used with

in short, don't get into it
also, don't believe all those salespeople tell you cause theirs more expensive so their vitamin A will have no problems

all bullshyt

in short don't go into it, very lazy to nag, cause it's a big topic

sunscreen without alcohol will cover more than 60% of anti-aging skincare if done properly, the rest is good only if you understand how they work and how to use them and what not to use them with