STI ETF

[highsulphur]

Sgx as another stupid rule. You can't put in orders that are too far away from current price. Eg for es3, if the price is currently trading at 3, you cannot place at bid at 2.95 iirc

 

[Kojo0403]

Sgx as another stupid rule. You can't put in orders that are too far away from current price. Eg for es3, if the price is currently trading at 3, you cannot place at bid at 2.95 iirc

Yea.. Saxo however don’t have this limitation for SGx stocks and etfs

 

[Slowdown]

I don't believe this is a SGX rule. More like the broker not allowing us to do it.

Sgx as another stupid rule. You can't put in orders that are too far away from current price. Eg for es3, if the price is currently trading at 3, you cannot place at bid at 2.95 iirc

 

[MrHighlander]

I do think a correction Is around the corner

Sths market turns when it’s least expected

 

[skpuppy]

Short-term trend is there.
If you look at last 6 months return, ES3 has already outperformed SPY or VOO in SGD terms. This is excluding the higher dividend payout that ES3 offers.

Must compare long term if you are investing. Like 5, 10 or 15 years. I think STI is more cyclic whereas S&P is long term up.

 

[wutawa]

I advocate that SGX do away with the so call board lot. Meaningless. Should be like the US market where investor can buy even one share. Why insist people buy 100 shares at 0.001 where they can simply set the minimum price at 10cents. Same thing.

Board lot is confusing everybody. Some still stuck at the 1,000 share per lot. Some are at current state that 100 shares is one lot. But there are shares like ES3 or G3B where one board lot is 10 shares.

People should just quote in the number of shares that they buy rather than using term like lot. This statement is not targeted at light84 but as a general statement.

Sgx has an odd lot market which can buy single share. I see board lot as an additional bundle discount which is good.

 

[发哨子2020]

Use different strategies.
Like USA fighting a war against Russia or in Afghanistan.
Just send some tanks and fighter planes to win Afghan guerrilla / suicide bombers?

Must compare long term if you are investing. Like 5, 10 or 15 years. I think STI is more cyclic whereas S&P is long term up.

 

[limster]

some people seem to hate STI so much that they come to the STI ETF thread to bash it

myself, I've never believed all those people who claim that there is only one way to invest, whether its those who claim that you must only DCA IWDA, or those who claim you must all-in US market and choose tech stocks.

myself, I invest in variety of counters though STI ETF is my biggest holding. I've been vested in STI ETF since 2008 and I'm totally happy with the returns. All my purchases (except once) have been below $3 and every year I collect 3%+ dividends. And this is totally passive effort-free income.

 

[Kojo0403]

some people seem to hate STI so much that they come to the STI ETF thread to bash it

myself, I've never believed all those people who claim that there is only one way to invest, whether its those who claim that you must only DCA IWDA, or those who claim you must all-in US market and choose tech stocks.

myself, I invest in variety of counters though STI ETF is my biggest holding. I've been vested in STI ETF since 2008 and I'm totally happy with the returns. All my purchases (except once) have been below $3 and every year I collect 3%+ dividends. And this is totally passive effort-free income.

it’s all about greed..

 

[crystalnox]

some people seem to hate STI so much that they come to the STI ETF thread to bash it

myself, I've never believed all those people who claim that there is only one way to invest, whether its those who claim that you must only DCA IWDA, or those who claim you must all-in US market and choose tech stocks.

myself, I invest in variety of counters though STI ETF is my biggest holding. I've been vested in STI ETF since 2008 and I'm totally happy with the returns. All my purchases (except once) have been below $3 and every year I collect 3%+ dividends. And this is totally passive effort-free income.

You’ve been buying since 2008 yet all your purchases are below $3? That must be extremely sporadic buying.

 

[frigatex]

some people seem to hate STI so much that they come to the STI ETF thread to bash it

myself, I've never believed all those people who claim that there is only one way to invest, whether its those who claim that you must only DCA IWDA, or those who claim you must all-in US market and choose tech stocks.

myself, I invest in variety of counters though STI ETF is my biggest holding. I've been vested in STI ETF since 2008 and I'm totally happy with the returns. All my purchases (except once) have been below $3 and every year I collect 3%+ dividends. And this is totally passive effort-free income.

There's also a fair share of people who come in here to sing praises of sti? I think having some counter opinion makes for good discussion, and those with a different risk appetite can benefit from these different viewpoints.

If you bought in at <$3 almost all the time, either you haven't been buying on a regular plan, or have timed it to be somewhat opportunistic. Either way, doesnt sound "totally passive"? And really, since 2008, and the benchmark is still $3, isn't it quite sad?

Before you classify me as one of those coming in to bash the counter, just want to clarify that I'm vested in sti as well. But the numbers show and they are indeed disappointing.

 

[limster]

There's also a fair share of people who come in here to sing praises of sti? I think having some counter opinion makes for good discussion, and those with a different risk appetite can benefit from these different viewpoints.

If you bought in at <$3 almost all the time, either you haven't been buying on a regular plan, or have timed it to be somewhat opportunistic. Either way, doesnt sound "totally passive"? And really, since 2008, and the benchmark is still $3, isn't it quite sad?

Before you classify me as one of those coming in to bash the counter, just want to clarify that I'm vested in sti as well. But the numbers show and they are indeed disappointing.

I am not saying that STI are among my best performing counters. I guess that it would be quite disappointing if STI is your best performing counter

However, on a whole of portfolio basis, where I try to diversify, I have no issues with STI's return. I appreciate its stability and how it regularly returns to 3,000 (took only 10 months from March 2020 to do so). Earning 3%+ dividend every year, in excess of the 2.5% CPF interest is good enough for me.

For my top performing counters I look to my REITs and China. China is now about 20% of my portfolio, mainly because it kept on growing and growing..... ES3 while it is my single biggest holding, is only 7% of my portfolio

 

[frigatex]

I am not saying that STI are among my best performing counters. I guess that it would be quite disappointing if STI is your best performing counter

I wonder if that's actually the case for you instead. Seeing how you're defending the counter.

Echoing what others have said before, but constantly being put down by self-proclaimed patriots: don't waste your time and money on sti. Even ardent supporters also dont believe in this counter, only buying when it's below $3. Shows how much faith there is in the etf components.

 

[Galaxy77]

Started off in US market last year with 170% gain.
Is it a good time to diversify say 30% gain into STI?

 

[DevilPlate]

True it's good to start early.

For a lumpsum case, the timing is critical.

Probably split the $4k into 8 equal purchases in the next few months.

Actually split lump sum purchase over next few months doesn't work too.
It needs to be spread out in equal amounts over a very long period like 10 years and more.

Lump sum purchase is always about timing.

 

[DevilPlate]

I do think a correction Is around the corner

Sths market turns when it’s least expected

I have been waiting since Dec 2020 ... sad LOL

 

[DevilPlate]

Started off in US market last year with 170% gain.
Is it a good time to diversify say 30% gain into STI?

i am looking at VWRA etf or similar

 

[limster]

I wonder if that's actually the case for you instead. Seeing how you're defending the counter.

Echoing what others have said before, but constantly being put down by self-proclaimed patriots: don't waste your time and money on sti. Even ardent supporters also dont believe in this counter, only buying when it's below $3. Shows how much faith there is in the etf components.

I firmly believe that STI ETF has a place in every Singapore investor's portfolio as I am in it for the long term. But I do not go to US stock threads and tell people there to start buying ES3...

I am a value investor so obviously I will want to buy it when it is undervalued, not when it is overvalued, sit back, and collect dividends. I see many investors failing to ask the question 'what is the correct valuation for XXX stock', maybe they think that 'this time is different, valuation doesn't matter'

I prefer to share what I am doing and for the others to DYODD rather than to spout 'advice' and claims that they they make 100% returns only after the stock has risen 100%, but not before that...

I shared my STI ETF purchases and have recommended many times to buy it while it is still under $3. In the long run, you will get a steady income flow from this.

At the same time, I am also taking more 'risk' via my China exposure. Even if I believe China will outperform SGX, doesn't mean I will go 'all-in' China, going all-in is gambling, not proper portfolio management.

 

[frigatex]

I firmly believe that STI ETF has a place in every Singapore investor's portfolio as I am in it for the long term. But I do not go to US stock threads and tell people there to start buying ES3...

I am a value investor so obviously I will want to buy it when it is undervalued, not when it is overvalued, sit back, and collect dividends. I see many investors failing to ask the question 'what is the correct valuation for XXX stock', maybe they think that 'this time is different, valuation doesn't matter'

Not speaking on behalf of others, but I'm not coming here telling others to invest in other markets. I'm in the sti thread talking just about sti and nothing else. I started off thinking the same about sti etf as well, but don't you find it strange that your personal valuation of it hasn't changed over a decade?

Many stocks are undervalued in 2020, but putting it into sti etf only means you have less to put into others. What one should probably look at is the potential for growth beyond recovery. There's no need to look to the US or China markets even if you're risk averse, just picking selected components in the sti etf instead of the entire basket is likely to put you in a better spot.

 

[limster]

Not speaking on behalf of others, but I'm not coming here telling others to invest in other markets. I'm in the sti thread talking just about sti and nothing else.

Then I probably wasn't referring to you

There's no need to look to the US or China markets even if you're risk averse, just picking selected components in the sti etf instead of the entire basket is likely to put you in a better spot.

The historical returns from my China ETFs/funds would disagree with that.... 2020 alone 2801 returned 37% while 2805 returned 39.32%. While it would be theoretically possible to stock pick an STI share that could beat that, if you have the skill to do so, you should be playing US market and making millions