Swimming anyone???

[vurtomatic]

I' downloaded a bunch of videos on total immersion, watched halfway through some of them, I don't see the difference between TI and normal freestyle.

Can someone explain the difference?

 

[divasion]

i "forget" how to swim also le.. I remember the movements but is the breathing part.the water keep getting into my mouth when i come up to breathe =x

 

[ancientczx]

Thanks for the reply people! and Nah, it's not like I need to match up to my friends or anything.

Just find that holding your breath seems to be a really useful thing to have be it for swimming or free diving

 

[tongkualongan]

I' downloaded a bunch of videos on total immersion, watched halfway through some of them, I don't see the difference between TI and normal freestyle.

Can someone explain the difference?

Hello,

This is an excerpt from my post 461


I will do an analysis of what I found to be diff between competitive freestyle and Total Immersion Freestyle.


competition free ( my own style)
-head is slightly position up so that i let my leg drop slightly to have the extra catch of water
-arm exit is at maximum extension and as close as to your body as possible
-arm entry ( extend your arm as far as you can during water entry and pull )
-rotation almost to my side so that my body is at maximum length


TI free
- back of the head is just skimming under the water so that your whole body position is flat and just under the water surface
- arm exit slightly earlier ( near where your jeans pocket is )
- arm entry is a 'drop' and follow by body 'roll' , it is a premature entry at 4 0'clock compare to competitive entry .
-body rotation is half of what i normally would.


Also forgot to mention that when I do TI swim, it is really much more effortless but my speed is slower compare to my normal swim. There is a way to do TI at faster speed but I am far away from that. Another thing is the breathing , since my stroke rate is lower doing TI swim, I have to hold my breath longer between strokes .

 

[tongkualongan]

Does anybody have breathing problems during swimming? I always get this sudden panic attack where my heartbeat increases and I can't breathe normally and have to stop and tread for air. Wonder is it psychological or what.

I also can't even hold my breath for the horizontal length of the pool. Anybody got tips on how to increase the breathing capacity? Occasional swimmer here with occasional swimmer friends that can hold their breath like nothing.

key thing in swimming is to relax. The faster and harder you swim, your resistance level against the water will shoot up exponentially.

Try to relax ,blank your mind and concentrate on your stroke and breathing. Counting your stroke helps too.

One of the training for breath is when doing freestyle(front crawl) , we will do alternate breathing. starting with a breath every 3 strokes, to every 5 stroke and so on and so forth.

it could be like this ,

1st 25m , breath every 3 strokes
2nd 25m , breath every 5 strokes
3rd 25m , breath every 7 strokes
4th 25m , breath every 9 strokes

there are advantages holding your breath in freestyle training , in this case,
since you are not breathing, you can hold your head steady( this is important for your streamlining and body position) and concentrate on the rotation of your body.

Also , base on experience , the faster you hurry your stroke, the faster you will run out of air. So just relax your whole body , do one stroke at a time and concentrate on head being steady and your arm rotation .

hope this helps.

 

[fallraen]

hey fellas, i was wondering if swimming right before or after a gym session is any good. i have heard one of my friend claiming that swimming after a work out is bad cause it relaxes the muscles. i honestly have no idea how that works out or if its like a old wives tale. it sounds way off to me but i'd just like to hear what you guys think.

well before a workout could be bad because we might not be lifting our max or hitting the target reps etc... but after a workout? how is swimming bad after a workout?

 

[vurtomatic]

i have heard one of my friend claiming that swimming after a work out is bad cause it relaxes the muscles. i honestly have no idea how that works out or if its like a old wives tale. it sounds way off to me but i'd just like to hear what you guys think.

well before a workout could be bad because we might not be lifting our max or hitting the target reps etc... but after a workout? how is swimming bad after a workout?

Siao. Wouldn't advise swimming before your workout, but after workout is entirely up to you. It'll be the equivalent of doing some steady state cardio after your workout.

I swim 2-3 times a week whenever I feel like it, sometimes after workouts, sometimes on rest days. The main thing I've noticed is swimming after leg days are killers on the legs.

 

[vurtomatic]

TI free
- back of the head is just skimming under the water so that your whole body position is flat and just under the water surface
- arm exit slightly earlier ( near where your jeans pocket is )
- arm entry is a 'drop' and follow by body 'roll' , it is a premature entry at 4 0'clock compare to competitive entry .
-body rotation is half of what i normally would.

1) Is your head looking down at the floor or still at an angle forward?
3) Can clarify what you mean by 'arm entry is a drop' ?

 

[carey]

1) Is your head looking down at the floor or still at an angle forward?
3) Can clarify what you mean by 'arm entry is a drop' ?

I personally go with a slight forward angle...

Also not quite sure what he means by arm entry is a drop but I typically enter the water with my palm below my elbow...

 

[tongkualongan]

1) Is your head looking down at the floor or still at an angle forward?
3) Can clarify what you mean by 'arm entry is a drop' ?

1) Head is looking at the pool floor, not tilted up or not over looking to deep (tugging chin). Just neutral position. You can do a simple experiment, a slight tilt up and you can feel the difference( your leg will sink and you have to use more leg power to compensate as well as arching your back slightly ). I have transitioned mine from a tilt up to a looking down and instantly felt the difference.( feels like my head is missing ) . At more professional TI level, some of them actually tilt up slightly but yet their head still remain just skimming under the water surface.


3) during arm entry , gravity takes over, you just let your arm drop at 4 o clock ( 3 o clock is horizontal ) , Imagine your arm as an arrow and shooting down at 4 o clock. once your arm 'drop' , because of gravity , your body will automatically 'roll' ( that is call the 'aha' moment where you just discover the TI method ) , now if you do it correctly, you will not see your arm during entry since your head is looking down. It may sound simple here, but it is actually quite challenging to get this moment. The timing has to be rite as well and you cant over rotate or over stretch your entry. Arm exit , head position and recovery has to be rite as well.

This is the video of the master ( maybe someone has already posted. Just study his arm entry )

here is myself swimming my own style (not TI ) 2 years ago in a 25m pool. Way too much energy is spent compare to TI method although a faster time.

So Again, before learning all these, one really has to ask one self, what is your objective. Is it for long distance effortless swimming ?
to lose weight ? to do cardio? short sprint competition? Triathlon? getting a v shape body?

Based on your objective, your style and training method would be different.

For me , I just want to see and feel what TI is really like since I heard it back in 1997 when I was still doing competitive swimming.

 

[ketua]

Siao. Wouldn't advise swimming before your workout, but after workout is entirely up to you. It'll be the equivalent of doing some steady state cardio after your workout.

I swim 2-3 times a week whenever I feel like it, sometimes after workouts, sometimes on rest days. The main thing I've noticed is swimming after leg days are killers on the legs.

If swim AFTER workout, I strongly suggest all to swim along the edge of the pool, just in case muscle cramp mid-way.

 

[wasupcutler]

My triceps gets very tired easily whenever i am swimming the breast stroke. Somehow only the triceps area gets "strained" easily during the swim.

 

[nyquist2000]

My triceps gets very tired easily whenever i am swimming the breast stroke. Somehow only the triceps area gets "strained" easily during the swim.

Try to relax your posture when you swim... it help alot and you save energy too.

 

[nyquist2000]

Those who wish to do the swim trial for the singapore biathlon, please let me know and I can arrange a session for you. But you must be able to swim 1.5km under 40 mins. More than that you cannot qualify for the race.

 

[crandfs]

Wah, that is 37.5 m/min, or 80 s/lap. Total 30 laps, plus it'll be in the sea, even harder.... Hmmm, I rarely do nonstop slow swimming, dunno how my single-lap timing will drop if I do 30 laps nonstop...

 

[nyquist2000]

Wah, that is 37.5 m/min, or 80 s/lap. Total 30 laps, plus it'll be in the sea, even harder.... Hmmm, I rarely do nonstop slow swimming, dunno how my single-lap timing will drop if I do 30 laps nonstop...

That is the basic requirement laid out by them..... what to do. But is achievable in pool... dun talk about sea wave and all that.

 

[carey]

Not sure if you guys tried this

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[crandfs]

Wow, thanks, very interesting software and video links

http://www.swimsmooth.com/catch.html
Tips for the intermediate swimmer

This fella has a very nice stroke. And only around 30+s per 50m of relaxed swimming, ^_^"

 

[alfcrazyhorse]

The pool's length seems longer than 50m. Wish I could do just a tenth of what's he doing. Just starting to learn front crawl. Damn tiring. Going one lap at Tampines's public pool's training pool already had me panting. Guess have to practise more.

 

[carey]

The pool's length seems longer than 50m. Wish I could do just a tenth of what's he doing. Just starting to learn front crawl. Damn tiring. Going one lap at Tampines's public pool's training pool already had me panting. Guess have to practise more.

First thing I always tell my students - never fight the water...hahah

Stroke > strength