The Continuum

[bongbongboy]

Saw the showflat. Finishing was generally good. Find it funny they pair V-Zug with Samsung (why not just De Dietrich or SMEG throughout all appliances instead?) and personally am not bought with the 2 plots linked with a bridge. Though the MCST fees are low, I feel that if I were a resident, I would not benefit from staying in a large development as everything is split in two and there are also two entrances/guardhouses.

Agent shared developer tried to buy the road in between but wasn't allowed.

Personally, unless the price is really fantastic, I won't buy this development. Comparing the D15 launches, for own stay, I would go for TG. For Investment, assuming GD launches at a similar price or very slight premium to TG, I would go for GD instead. This project on paper looks good: FH, large plot. But I cannot appreciate the 2 plots. Feels like 2 parcels that is just connected together w a unsheltered bridge to say that it's a large single plot.

 

[sellipad2]

Saw the showflat. Finishing was generally good. Find it funny they pair V-Zug with Samsung (why not just De Dietrich or SMEG throughout all appliances instead?) and personally am not bought with the 2 plots linked with a bridge. Though the MCST fees are low, I feel that if I were a resident, I would not benefit from staying in a large development as everything is split in two and there are also two entrances/guardhouses.

This is the first thing that crossed my mind too, V-zug with Samsung...seriously??

I rather they do all Miele or SMEG or DD.

 

[Nanonited]

Saw the showflat. Finishing was generally good. Find it funny they pair V-Zug with Samsung (why not just De Dietrich or SMEG throughout all appliances instead?) and personally am not bought with the 2 plots linked with a bridge. Though the MCST fees are low, I feel that if I were a resident, I would not benefit from staying in a large development as everything is split in two and there are also two entrances/guardhouses.

Agent shared developer tried to buy the road in between but wasn't allowed.

Personally, unless the price is really fantastic, I won't buy this development. Comparing the D15 launches, for own stay, I would go for TG. For Investment, assuming GD launches at a similar price or very slight premium to TG, I would go for GD instead. This project on paper looks good: FH, large plot. But I cannot appreciate the 2 plots. Feels like 2 parcels that is just connected together w a unsheltered bridge to say that it's a large single plot.

How much is slight premium?

 

[ktyandkyc]

Saw the showflat. Finishing was generally good. Find it funny they pair V-Zug with Samsung (why not just De Dietrich or SMEG throughout all appliances instead?) and personally am not bought with the 2 plots linked with a bridge. Though the MCST fees are low, I feel that if I were a resident, I would not benefit from staying in a large development as everything is split in two and there are also two entrances/guardhouses.

Agent shared developer tried to buy the road in between but wasn't allowed.

Personally, unless the price is really fantastic, I won't buy this development. Comparing the D15 launches, for own stay, I would go for TG. For Investment, assuming GD launches at a similar price or very slight premium to TG, I would go for GD instead. This project on paper looks good: FH, large plot. But I cannot appreciate the 2 plots. Feels like 2 parcels that is just connected together w a unsheltered bridge to say that it's a large single plot.

Just wondering if you have seen TG showflat and how does it compare with TV normal signature series? I feel TC toilets abit too shabby. while overall house is okay, abit lose to TG.

I also wondering big time about the appliances pairings for Vzug and Samsung - this pairing is mind boggling. Isit because they want to follow Blossoms which didn't offer fridges etc but at least they try offer smth..

Any reasons y ownstay would be TG..facilities wise while it is shared across North and South, don't see TG's edge over TC.

 

[bongbongboy]

How much is slight premium?

Ok personally, unless same price as TG, I won't buy cos I don't fancy that location lol. But this is the subjective side of me.

The logical side is that if less than 20% premium (since FH vs LH), then it's ok lor. But then again, it's not a fair comparison cos even tho both D15, I find TG more desirable location. Furthermore, I really don't buy into the large FH plot selling point cos to me, it's 2 plots connected with a bridge. The only practical upside is lower MCST fees.

Not sure whether this will affect enbloc potential cos next time the developer that is buying also must consider how to connect the 2 plots.

 

[bongbongboy]

Just wondering if you have seen TG showflat and how does it compare with TV normal signature series? I feel TC toilets abit too shabby. while overall house is okay, abit lose to TG.

I also wondering big time about the appliances pairings for Vzug and Samsung - this pairing is mind boggling. Isit because they want to follow Blossoms which didn't offer fridges etc but at least they try offer smth..

Any reasons y ownstay would be TG..facilities wise while it is shared across North and South, don't see TG's edge over TC.

TC is typical Hoi Hup lor. Got the little storage space.

I much prefer TG's layout of units.

TBH never pay attention to signature series or whatever series. The thought going on in my head is the fact it's 2 plots combined with a unsheltered bridge and there is 2x of everything (guard house, bin centre etc). Is it really then 1 big plot?

Vzug and samsung cos they want to tell you vzug cos vzug is most atas but they cannot afford to give all vzug la.

TG's edge (to me) is got concierge and towel service. More atas feel. TC even tho on paper got so much facilities, who will walk across the bridge just to use another pool or gym? At least for me, I know myself... I won't lol. I cannot foresee myself ever book a facility/function room in the other plot. imagine you book function in the conserved building clubhouse but then raining... how to bring over all the stuff from your house? Drive over ah? lol. Even if not raining, form human chain over the skeletal bridge? lol.

Just my 2c la. This project does not appeal to me if it's gonna be 28xx average upon launch.

 

[ktyandkyc]

TC is typical Hoi Hup lor. Got the little storage space.

I much prefer TG's layout of units.

TBH never pay attention to signature series or whatever series. The think going on in my head is the fact it's 2 plots combined with a unsheltered bridge and there is 2x of everything (guard house, bin centre etc). Is it really then 1 big plot?

Vzug and samsung cos they want to tell you vzug cos vzug is most atas but they cannot afford to give all vzug la.

TG's edge (to me) is got concierge and towel service. More atas feel. TC even tho on paper got so much facilities, who will walk across the bridge just to use another pool or gym? At least for me, I know myself... I won't lol. I cannot foresee myself ever book a facility/function room in the other plot. imagine you book function in the conserved building clubhouse but then raining... how to bring over all the stuff from your house? Drive over ah? lol. Even if not raining, form human chain over the skeletal bridge? lol.

Just my 2c la. This project does not appeal to me if it's gonna be 28xx average upon launch.

Thanks for the insights! Ya the bridge is definitely a ploy to hide the huge weaknesses of facilities spread all. north has larger gym but no 50m pool, while south has pool but v small gym. This is honestly ridiculous as even if cannot duplicate lap pool, y save on the gym.

Agents are saying 27xx but we never know until booking day.

On the storage, I thot v small but at least got smth unlike TG 990 sqft & below.

Overall finishing and feel for sure CDL & Guocoloand. The first floor of TC is the lower end series i.e. signature

 

[drkcynic]

Saw the showflat. Finishing was generally good. Find it funny they pair V-Zug with Samsung (why not just De Dietrich or SMEG throughout all appliances instead?) and personally am not bought with the 2 plots linked with a bridge. Though the MCST fees are low, I feel that if I were a resident, I would not benefit from staying in a large development as everything is split in two and there are also two entrances/guardhouses.

Agent shared developer tried to buy the road in between but wasn't allowed.

Personally, unless the price is really fantastic, I won't buy this development. Comparing the D15 launches, for own stay, I would go for TG. For Investment, assuming GD launches at a similar price or very slight premium to TG, I would go for GD instead. This project on paper looks good: FH, large plot. But I cannot appreciate the 2 plots. Feels like 2 parcels that is just connected together w a unsheltered bridge to say that it's a large single plot.

Question.

How do you know the finishing is good on the end product based on showflat. For showflat there are lots of ID impressions which is of course, looks nice. How likely will the showflat toilets kitchen carpentry etc translate to end product?

 

[bongbongboy]

Question.

How do you know the finishing is good on the end product based on showflat. For showflat there are lots of ID impressions which is of course, looks nice. How likely will the showflat toilets kitchen carpentry etc translate to end product?

For me, I only look at flooring provided, white goods, kitchen top and toilets to determine finishing.

For example, both TG and TC give wall hung toilets. TC the LED strip below the mirrors not provided and I felt the shower area too little shelves (only 1 small shelf provided). But generally good brands and they also provide a bidet point and tower rack. So it's a pass for me lor, considered good. Some developments don't give wall hung toilet and no tower rack/brandless shower head and no bidet water point.

I also like the wooden cabinet given in the master bedroom for TC. Nice big drawers. But this is a small thing to me since now most developers have similar design for the cabinets in room.

 

[ktyandkyc]

For me, I only look at flooring provided, white goods, kitchen top and toilets to determine finishing.

For example, both TG and TC give wall hung toilets. TC the LED strip below the mirrors not provided and I felt the shower area too little shelves (only 1 small shelf provided). But generally good brands and they also provide a bidet point and tower rack. So it's a pass for me lor, considered good. Some developments don't give wall hung toilet and no tower rack/brandless shower head and no bidet water point.

I also like the wooden cabinet given in the master bedroom for TC. Nice big drawers. But this is a small thing to me since now most developers have similar design for the cabinets in room.

Yea TG use of space and provision of carpentry is better for toilet.

If you have insights/views on kitchen beside the appliance brand, that would be great. For me, on TG, the glass laminate as well as the cookies and cream blacksplash n top which I think is tiles stand out. TC's design looked more subdued and it's top is engineered stone. Not sure how it fares against tile in TG.

For bigger three bedder, there is both home shelter and another small storage does not make sense as even if can hack, only expand kitchen. For TG the lack of storage is a slight disadvantage.

 

[sgpropertyblog]

How much is slight premium?

DG most probably higher than TG by 100-200psf.. based on their breakeven price ..

 

[De SantaClaus]

DG most probably higher than TG by 100-200psf.. based on their breakeven price ..

Waterbank at Dakota already has 4 units transacted at 19xx to 20xx this year. Waterbank at Dakota was completed in 2013. GD will be completed in 2027. I think DG will be higher than TG by around 200psf, IMO the average launch price will be 26xx psf. Imo a 700psf gap is justifiable for a 14-year difference in age, and a more efficient layout.

Prices will be slightly lower than Continuum, but significantly higher than TG. From the way Singhaiyi launched Parc Clematis & Lillum/Gazania, it seems that they tend not to aim for a >50% sold on launch day.

At 26xx psf, I do not exactly know who their intended buyer profile will be. Seems a bit too high for the HDB upgraders, who would have been the natural buyer profile for this locale and would value near MRT and hawker centre greatly. Imo it will be a mishmash of 1st time buyers, HDB upgraders & investors. I think their private address buyers would be more attracted to Continuum for freehold status & TG for the lower entry price.

 

[sellipad2]

We have to rem for any purchase price now, one has to target +300-400 psf for decent profit

 

[ktyandkyc]

Waterbank at Dakota already has 4 units transacted at 19xx to 20xx this year. Waterbank at Dakota was completed in 2013. GD will be completed in 2027. I think DG will be higher than TG by around 200psf, IMO the average launch price will be 26xx psf. Imo a 700psf gap is justifiable for a 14-year difference in age, and a more efficient layout.

Prices will be slightly lower than Continuum, but significantly higher than GD. From the way Singhaiyi launched Parc Clematis & Lillum/Gazania, it seems that they tend not to aim for a >50% sold on launch day.

At 26xx psf, I do not exactly know who their intended buyer profile will be. Seems a bit too high for the HDB upgraders, who would have been the natural buyer profile for this locale and would value near MRT and hawker centre greatly. Imo it will be a mishmash of 1st time buyers, HDB upgraders & investors. I think their private address buyers would be more attracted to Continuum for freehold status & TG for the lower entry price.

Sorry the bolded phrase is supposed to be TG? Just wondering y u think will be 26xx psf, in terms of land cost, I think GD only $50 more than TG, unless they upsell the mrt premium. For south facing which has unblocked views, and that is way nicer than TG,'s, then perhaps $200 extra from TG sounds about right. But then again, this will run very close to TC. Agents and YouTuber are already screaming TG's price point too high as one should go for FH status instead. SHY will likely factor this into consideration. Another slight consideration could be the GLS south of TG which will conclude in July that may affect their intended pricing.

 

[De SantaClaus]

Sorry the bolded phrase is supposed to be TG? Just wondering y u think will be 26xx psf, in terms of land cost, I think GD only $50 more than TG, unless they upsell the mrt premium. For south facing which has unblocked views, and that is way nicer than TG,'s, then perhaps $200 extra from TG sounds about right. But then again, this will run very close to TC. Agents and YouTuber are already screaming TG's price point too high as one should go for FH status instead. SHY will likely factor this into consideration. Another slight consideration could be the GLS south of TG which will conclude in July that may affect their intended pricing.

Thanks for pointing it out. 26xx psf because it is supported by Waterbank at Dakota (14 years older) resale transactions of 19xx psf and 20xx psf. And because Singhaiyi seems ok with lower sales on launch day judging from past developments.

Beside Dakota MRT and walking distance to Old Airport Road hawker centre will be big selling points. TG selling price is market price. If not for Hoi Hup hijacking their launch with their indicative sales prices, TG would easily have sold more units. >50% sold on launch day is a very successful launch considering these circumstances.

Whether or not TG or TC is a better buy will depend on the actual TC prices which will only be known on launch day. 'starting from' prices only indicate the prices for a selected few units.

CDL/MCL have enough bullets to defend Tembusu, Hoi Hup & Singhaiyi will likely also defend their launches by bidding. So it is unlikely that the GLS will go cheap to another developer.

 

[drkcynic]

Thanks for pointing it out. 26xx psf because it is supported by Waterbank at Dakota (14 years older) resale transactions of 19xx psf and 20xx psf. And because Singhaiyi seems ok with lower sales on launch day judging from past developments.

Beside Dakota MRT and walking distance to Old Airport Road hawker centre will be big selling points. TG selling price is market price. If not for Hoi Hup hijacking their launch with their indicative sales prices, TG would easily have sold more units. >50% sold on launch day is a very successful launch considering these circumstances.

Whether or not TG or TC is a better buy will depend on the actual TC prices which will only be known on launch day. 'starting from' prices only indicate the prices for a selected few units.

CDL/MCL have enough bullets to defend Tembusu, Hoi Hup & Singhaiyi will likely also defend their launches by bidding. So it is unlikely that the GLS will go cheap to another developer.

As long as GD does not chu stunt, eg. MSCP (TG) and some random facilities (TC), it will be hands down the best D15 new launch for this year. Now it is up to them to price it right, and have good unit layout.

Near MRT, near good sch, near food & amenities, good facing, desirable area (as pointed out huatness of DR and Waterbank), near landed enclave, major development, full facilities. With the performance of DR and waterbank, you know LH or FH doesn't matter that much there, people just want it. There is also another gls plot up north, should be equally desirable, and big development and will easily bring the price of GD up in future.

Should be a homerun, easy.

 

[De SantaClaus]

As long as GD does not chu stunt, eg. MSCP (TG) and some random facilities (TC), it will be hands down the best D15 new launch for this year. Now it is up to them to price it right, and have good unit layout.

Near MRT, near good sch, near food & amenities, good facing, desirable area (as pointed out huatness of DR and Waterbank), near landed enclave, major development, full facilities. With the performance of DR and waterbank, you know LH or FH doesn't matter that much there, people just want it. There is also another gls plot up north, should be equally desirable, and big development and will easily bring the price of GD up in future.

Should be a homerun, easy.

There are a few key constraints in this plot. GD cannot block out the view of the landed houses, internal landscape must be visible to public (like HdB) and there is a height limit of 63m SHD.

For GD to be a great buy, must be at most 100psf above TG. Otherwise, imo TG is a better buy. This is based on Tre Ver vs Park Colonial. Not exactly the same, but it essentially incorporates the premium of near MRT & amenities.

 

[ktyandkyc]

There are a few key constraints in this plot. GD cannot block out the view of the landed houses, internal landscape must be visible to public (like HdB) and there is a height limit of 63m SHD.

For GD to be a great buy, must be at most 100psf above TG. Otherwise, imo TG is a better buy. This is based on Tre Ver vs Park Colonial. Not exactly the same, but it essentially incorporates the premium of near MRT & amenities.

I'm honestly wary about the big plot Infront of grand dunman but not sure of the size. To recap, for grand Dunman, the top bid of $1.284 billion or $1,350 psf per plot ratio (psf ppr) came from SingHaiyi Group while the second place went to a consortium that included City Developments Ltd (CDL), Hong Leong Group and TID with a bid of $1.067 billion ($1,122 psf ppr).

It may be difficult to defend the bid depending on the size.

To add, maybe I bias against shy, had CDL, Hong Leong and TID managed to get it, the project maybe better

 

[Ichy_ichneumon]

There are a few key constraints in this plot. GD cannot block out the view of the landed houses, internal landscape must be visible to public (like HdB) and there is a height limit of 63m SHD.

For GD to be a great buy, must be at most 100psf above TG. Otherwise, imo TG is a better buy. This is based on Tre Ver vs Park Colonial. Not exactly the same, but it essentially incorporates the premium of near MRT & amenities.

share the same sentiment on this. I really can’t see how D15 premium would translate on to GD. GD is another 99 year condo that’s is superb in transportation link and food choices.

if I want to buy a D15 condo, I’m paying up for the environment and accepted the fact that it’s less convenient than any other option.

TC and TG was the biggest dilemma for me. I’m all for FH, never really bought into the idea about the whole new launch 99 year sure make money. Good or bad is just dependent on market and entry/exit point. And the premium you pay on FH status is the “insurance” that you can exit better as long as you got holding power.

I’m just worried of the 2 land plots beside TG.

 

[De SantaClaus]

share the same sentiment on this. I really can’t see how D15 premium would translate on to GD. GD is another 99 year condo that’s is superb in transportation link and food choices.

if I want to buy a D15 condo, I’m paying up for the environment and accepted the fact that it’s less convenient than any other option.

TC and TG was the biggest dilemma for me. I’m all for FH, never really bought into the idea about the whole new launch 99 year sure make money. Good or bad is just dependent on market and entry/exit point. And the premium you pay on FH status is the “insurance” that you can exit better as long as you got holding power.

I’m just worried of the 2 land plots beside TG.

With the market still undersupplied and a lot of new launches concentrated here and in Lentor, I don’t think we need to be overly worried about possible oversupply. Maybe have to wait till 2H2023 GLS to reaffirm this

Who do you think will form the buyer pool for GD ? I can easily think of buyer pool for both TC & TG. But I’m still figuring out for GD.

I’m not convinced that this project will attract loads of HDB upgraders given the price. And there are so many condos in sg that is near transport & have affordable food options & within 1km of primary school. And much more affordable