The Watch Thread - Part 12

[cyrenic]

Not sure what's the issue here as someone brought this to my attention, so I thought to clarify.

No I don't have a short fuse. The owners' group on FB is just like any other group and we jest quite a bit. The owners' group is an informal group, and members speak and respond freely.
I was simply responding to a post in the owner's club on FB, and because I was asked the question directly, I answered the question.

After that, I was told this was being talked about here so I came to have a look. Meanwhile the aftersales support request came in via email. The response, again, was a straight and factual one. Because I have indeed read the posts on HWZ, I thought it's ok to highlight that I have read the posts.

There's no angst at my end. We've been around for more than 3 years and have sold more than 3,000 pieces. Majority are Singapore customers, and majority are repeat customers. Many of them are members of the owners' group on FB. We meet happy and unhappy owners, mostly happy ones, and when there're problems with the watches the owners contact us and we fix the problems.

Thanks.

1) Maybe you have sold 3,000 pieces but you really don't know how social media works these days. Company that understands would have contacted an unhappy owner via PM and indicated that they have done as such. Then after issue resolved, everyone happy, you can update accordingly. From my POV and YOUR screenshot, it looks as if you just want to sweep things under the carpet and move on quickly... All of which never generates goodwill.

2) "have read interesting post in HWZ". Sorry, maybe my English is not very good, but a lot of people would take that negatively as a passive aggressive reaction. If you go to restaurant, complain on hungrygowhere, and then email the restaurant to give feedback, how would you feel if the restaurant invites you back for a return meal, and then says "by the way, we have read your interesting post on hungrygowhere"?

Anyways up to you la. Nowadays people very sensitive, better take a bit more care in replying to customers. I'm sure the Western Co was very frank and always jests with its customers too..


http://mothership.sg/2016/11/the-we...f-story-alleges-customer-was-rude-throughout/

End of the day, how many watches do you see have oil stains on the dial? Not many. Whose fault do you think this is? Is the customer right in feeling exasperated? Will it kill you to provide some reassurance and do some service recovery for something that shouldn't have happened? If not, would you rather have a few more unhappy customers out there whose impression of your company is "got oil stain and sibeh petty"? Isn't it easier to just pacify it, instead of having someone like me write a wall of text, then you spend your time trying to reply to and fro, and actually, in the first instance, showing some gesture of goodwill and trust in your customer... Would have been way easier?

Is this really the most productive use of your time? Bickering with customers and potential customers?

 

[gaoxing84]

Not sure what's the issue here as someone brought this to my attention, so I thought to clarify.

No I don't have a short fuse. The owners' group on FB is just like any other group and we jest quite a bit. The owners' group is an informal group, and members speak and respond freely.
I was simply responding to a post in the owner's club on FB, and because I was asked the question directly, I answered the question.

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After that, I was told this was being talked about here so I came to have a look. Meanwhile the aftersales support request came in via email. The response, again, was a straight and factual one. Because I have indeed read the posts on HWZ, I thought it's ok to highlight that I have read the posts.

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There's no angst at my end. We've been around for more than 3 years and have sold more than 3,000 pieces. Majority are Singapore customers, and majority are repeat customers. Many of them are members of the owners' group on FB. We meet happy and unhappy owners, mostly happy ones, and when there're problems with the watches the owners contact us and we fix the problems.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

First thing first, it's call the Gamma Club or whatever its called. I joined because i bought one of your watches from a guy. Realised, there's something not right, so naturally, where should I seek help? The club right? since it's a community.

Went in, posted a photo, asked a question. Was told straight off as above. I feel that the tone is kinda off. You, as the owner of the club and the company, could have use a better way to tell me. For eg, We're sorry that the watch has such problems, if you may, send us a email so that we can rectify the problem asap.
Instead, i got (above) answer. It's like telling me gtfo, this is the club for die hard fans who don't see issues of the watch and all post photos of their daily shots of how much they will die for your company and their watches.
I immediately left the stupid club of yours since its so precious and closely knitted. LOL

so I did what i was told, emailed your after sales support.

After this, where should i share my experience? in my fav forum here, to tell people how i feel after that incident.
Forum is a place to share right? I did what I did and let people here judge.

That's where all your dirty laundry is being aired. How your attitude towards your customers.
blah blah.

After that, i read your email, you could have left the part where you saw my posts about you and your brand. WHY? to save your own a$$. Take it as a criticism and improve yourself and your attitude towards customers. Why is there a angry customer? there must be a reason. Take it as a lesson.

But you didn't, you decided to let me know straight out that you have read my interesting posts, somehow, to show your unhappiness about the things i said, as thought what i said was wrong.

I appreciate your friend gesture of helping me without me going to the service centre and getting the watch stuck there for a month.
But that happen, you complain like a little kid and your friends decided not to help.
So be it. LOL

I also appreciate your gesture of helping me replace it even warranty has ended but with that 2nd line below, i feel that i don't feel appreciated as a customer and owner of your watch.

In the end, I want nothing from you, your friends, your die hard fans, your club and your company.

I can get it fixed and sell the watch. You need to seriously rethink your service recovery, customer service skills and lastly, the quality checks of your products. Lume application also can leak. what the hell.

Have a great one. Mr Naoki aka chris chua or smt whatever

 

[gaoxing84]

1) Maybe you have sold 3,000 pieces but you really don't know how social media works these days. Company that understands would have contacted an unhappy owner via PM and indicated that they have done as such. Then after issue resolved, everyone happy, you can update accordingly. From my POV and YOUR screenshot, it looks as if you just want to sweep things under the carpet and move on quickly... All of which never generates goodwill.

2) "have read interesting post in HWZ". Sorry, maybe my English is not very good, but a lot of people would take that negatively as a passive aggressive reaction. If you go to restaurant, complain on hungrygowhere, and then email the restaurant to give feedback, how would you feel if the restaurant invites you back for a return meal, and then says "by the way, we have read your interesting post on hungrygowhere"?

Anyways up to you la. Nowadays people very sensitive, better take a bit more care in replying to customers. I'm sure the Western Co was very frank and always jests with its customers too..

End of the day, how many watches do you see have oil stains on the dial? Not many. Whose fault do you think this is? Will it kill you to provide some reassurance and do some service recovery for something that shouldn't have happened? If not, would you rather have a few more unhappy customers out there whose impression of your company is "got oil stain and sibeh petty"?

http://mothership.sg/2016/11/the-we...f-story-alleges-customer-was-rude-throughout/

i think the oil stain case is happening to most of the gen one watches as far as i read online and from what people told me

 

[arctuates]

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bro cannot like that..got grease come out still say perfect condition

Lol. Never state watch case or watch dial, did we?
Its my discretion whether which is which what.
I say it's perfect eh for watch case.

But. What's your point of doing this?

PS not your bro.

To be fair to prospective buyers, you should consider reflecting the exact condition of the watch in your listing.

First thing first. Whenever I deal. The person can check all he wants.
I did not force him to buy. Infact I get them check carefully first.
Look at my feedback. Any negative?
Maybe except one idiot.

Lol why am I even explaining myself.
My track records shows.

I'm not a member with low post count and I've contributed to this thread in the past. I will second (or is it third, now) the view that advertising a problematic watch as "watch condition perfect" is bad etiquette, plain and simple. Saying that your "track record speaks for itself" doesn't absolve yourself - in fact it makes things worse. It's precisely because buyers may see you as trusted and take it on faith that the watch is what you claim it to be. And judging from your posts, in such a scenario you don't seem like the type who will proactively point out the flaws either.

Maybe I've fundamentally misunderstood things, but I thought this thread was a vehicle for collectors to share their experiences and collections, and in doing so empower interested newbies to embark on their own horological journeys. Condoning mis-selling practices, even if the seller may be a frequent poster and have some sort of "track record" - that doesn't help, and in fact harms the community. You were once a watch newbie - how would you like it if you got cheated on your first deal with a "trusted" forummer?

 

[Naoki99]

Thanks for your comments cyrenic - point taken. I know you wrote with good intention. I'll be more careful in future. Cheers.

1) Maybe you have sold 3,000 pieces but you really don't know how social media works these days. Company that understands would have contacted an unhappy owner via PM and indicated that they have done as such. Then after issue resolved, everyone happy, you can update accordingly. From my POV and YOUR screenshot, it looks as if you just want to sweep things under the carpet and move on quickly... All of which never generates goodwill.

2) "have read interesting post in HWZ". Sorry, maybe my English is not very good, but a lot of people would take that negatively as a passive aggressive reaction. If you go to restaurant, complain on hungrygowhere, and then email the restaurant to give feedback, how would you feel if the restaurant invites you back for a return meal, and then says "by the way, we have read your interesting post on hungrygowhere"?

Anyways up to you la. Nowadays people very sensitive, better take a bit more care in replying to customers. I'm sure the Western Co was very frank and always jests with its customers too..

End of the day, how many watches do you see have oil stains on the dial? Not many. Whose fault do you think this is? Will it kill you to provide some reassurance and do some service recovery for something that shouldn't have happened? If not, would you rather have a few more unhappy customers out there whose impression of your company is "got oil stain and sibeh petty"?

 

[cyrenic]

Thanks for your comments cyrenic - point taken. I know you wrote with good intention. I'll be more careful in future. Cheers.

Thanks for having some faith, I must say that before today, my impression of GG was pretty good.

Hopefully you can reach a good resolution with gaoxing. Cheers.

 

[DXMachina]

Chipping in with my 2 cents worth. Initially before this fiasco, I thought the name Gruppo Gamma sounded interesting and kinda cool, and wanted to go find out more, the company being pretty new to the watch game and all.

But then, my initial impressions are kind of marred by the poor QC (not isolated case btw), and more importantly, the poor service recovery IMO.

 

[DiCaprio]

I'm not a member with low post count and I've contributed to this thread in the past. I will second (or is it third, now) the view that advertising a problematic watch as "watch condition perfect" is bad etiquette, plain and simple. Saying that your "track record speaks for itself" doesn't absolve yourself - in fact it makes things worse. It's precisely because buyers may see you as trusted and take it on faith that the watch is what you claim it to be. And judging from your posts, in such a scenario you don't seem like the type who will proactively point out the flaws either.

Maybe I've fundamentally misunderstood things, but I thought this thread was a vehicle for collectors to share their experiences and collections, and in doing so empower interested newbies to embark on their own horological journeys. Condoning mis-selling practices, even if the seller may be a frequent poster and have some sort of "track record" - that doesn't help, and in fact harms the community. You were once a watch newbie - how would you like it if you got cheated on your first deal with a "trusted" forummer?

Well said.

 

[gaoxing84]

I'm not a member with low post count and I've contributed to this thread in the past. I will second (or is it third, now) the view that advertising a problematic watch as "watch condition perfect" is bad etiquette, plain and simple. Saying that your "track record speaks for itself" doesn't absolve yourself - in fact it makes things worse. It's precisely because buyers may see you as trusted and take it on faith that the watch is what you claim it to be. And judging from your posts, in such a scenario you don't seem like the type who will proactively point out the flaws either.

Maybe I've fundamentally misunderstood things, but I thought this thread was a vehicle for collectors to share their experiences and collections, and in doing so empower interested newbies to embark on their own horological journeys. Condoning mis-selling practices, even if the seller may be a frequent poster and have some sort of "track record" - that doesn't help, and in fact harms the community. You were once a watch newbie - how would you like it if you got cheated on your first deal with a "trusted" forummer?

dude, how many people know that is my account? the nick is not even the same. - unless i get so famous LOL people dig my account out.
only the photos are the same.
like i said, watch condition can mean anything. Did you specify dial or case? Like i reply, there's no scratches or dings.
Given any person, will take it as the case.
he didn't asked further so why should i say anything?
if he asked, how you know i won't say there's an issue.
Plus, i can get it fixed before dealing too.
so many factors but yet i was called the dishonest one
tsk tsk

And the item will be checked before the dealing goes. If the guy doesn't seem to like it due to that factor, so be it. he can walk away.

My track record in carousell, not here.

Watch newbie or not, doesn't take a watch guru to look at the physical condition of a watch right? where the scratches are, where are the problems?

I have helped many people here with the limited knowledge that I have. Many became good friends.
I have sold a ton of watches on carousell too, i don't see a need for me to cheat what $300 bucks? LOL

So whatever the case, misunderstand or i got trolled. I gladly take it in.

 

[gaoxing84]

Thanks for having some faith, I must say that before today, my impression of GG was pretty good.

Hopefully you can reach a good resolution with gaoxing. Cheers.

No need liao. haha. there's no return.

sorry i am a-hole like that.

 

[gaoxing84]

Chipping in with my 2 cents worth. Initially before this fiasco, I thought the name Gruppo Gamma sounded interesting and kinda cool, and wanted to go find out more, the company being pretty new to the watch game and all.

But then, my initial impressions are kind of marred by the poor QC (not isolated case btw), and more importantly, the poor service recovery IMO.

buy rolex mai buy simi GG la. don't be like me kum lan. thought see the watch like satki. end up got saga haha

steinhart>gg

at least i know the after sales service is there. haha

 

[binnie]

GX, we know each other and you should know I'm quite objective and I'm not taking sides. I'm also not some random clone. I think there are 2 main issues here.

1. You sought help from the GG FB group. Nothing wrong with doing that. Could the boss have handled the enquiry on FB / sales support email better? I'm sure most would say yes (the FB reply sounded abit curt and the email felt passive aggressive). Nevertheless, the boss came out and acknowledged that he could have handled the situation more delicately and that he'll be more careful in the future. Sure,maybe he doesn't want the backlash of negative feedback to stain the "brand". But at last, he did the right thing anyway.

2. When someone enquired about the watch, you stated "Watch condition perfect". Let's be mature and apply some common sense to this la. "watch" refers to the watch as a whole, not just the case. It's knn obviously not perfect. Just be upfront and state the known defects la. What for waste your time and the potential buyer's time if you know the buyer may not buy it if he knows about the stain. Be upfront and don't withhold information la.

 

[TeenTitan01]

that's it!

time to srsly consider liquidating the watch collection and slap on a g-shock instead?!

http://www.chrono24.com/magazine/watches-and-sports-p_14441/

Spoiler

Watches and Sports

TAG Heuer Formula 1, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

06.01.2017 by Robert-Jan Broer

Fine mechanical engineering and sports don’t usually go well together. However, some brands have made testing their watches in extreme conditions an art form. Let’s talk about watches and sports.

Quartz and Mechanical
A distinction should be made between watches with a quartz movement and those with a mechanical movement. Some brands focus on outdoor activities, like Tissot with their T-Touch models. There is little to fear from shocks and other extreme conditions in those cases. For watches with a mechanical movement, however, things are very different. Some parts need to correspond and “work” with each other within the smallest tolerances. A bump or shock can seriously disrupt the inner workings of your mechanical watch. So, if you want to be on the safe side, go for a quartz timepiece if you play (extreme) sports.

Wait, There’s More
If a watch is put to the test at NASA for use during extravehicular activity (EVA), you can use it during a game of golf, right?

Omega Speedmaster DSOTM, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

There is obviously quite a difference between playing golf and an astronaut traveling through space. A watch is a tool or instrument for an astronaut, whereas it’s probably a luxury item for the golfer. Even if a watch has been tested to withstand extreme conditions, it’s really being tested for extraordinary situations that might occur at some point. When you play a game of golf, however, you take a swing multiple times in a row. This means you will repeatedly expose your watch to “danger.” Some statistics could be brought to the table here, but it should be sufficient to say that these fine mechanical watches aren’t built to be assaulted non-stop during sports.

Golf, Tennis, Sailing
So, why do brands want to be associated with sports like golf, horse racing, tennis, sailing, etc? Each of these is a sport that could easily damage your precious watch. Richard Mille, for example, developed a watch especially for Raphael Nadal (RM027) and Omega sponsors and shows us golfers like Rory McIlroy wearing their watches. And why does Rolex have a Yacht-Master range of watches? Many sailors don’t even wear watches for their own safety.
Sure, the Richard Mille is capable of handling the impact it gets when Raphael Nadal hits a ball with his tennis racket, but few know the real impact this has on the watch’s accuracy. It is all about marketing their products to the right target audience, not about the watches being the perfect product for wearing during a game of tennis or golf; it is about prestige.

What About Diving?

Oris Aquis Date, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

When it comes to sports, shocks are mechanical movements’ worst enemies. But what about water? Can I dive with my watch if it says it has a water resistance of 200 meters?
Sure you can, but don’t get confused with the water resistance ratings. A watch that says it is water resistant to 30 meters can’t necessarily handle being 30 meters underwater. It has more to do with pressure, and since 30 meters equals just 3 BAR of pressure, you really shouldn’t take it in or even near the water. Only watches that are rated 100 meters or more should be taken into the water (~ 10 BAR). For real diving purposes, do your homework and make sure the watch meets the requirements for your specific tasks. Everything rated at 300 meters (~ 30 BAR) or more should be fine for most diving activities.

So Why Is It Tested?
It is understandable if you might be a bit put-off by the contents of this article. But try to think of it like this, would you put your fine classic racing car in 24 hours of Le Mans without any technical engineers or enough spare parts to keep it running in case something breaks down? No. You should cherish your mechanical timepiece, even if it was tested and certified for use on the Moon or seen on the wrist of a famous tennis player. It doesn’t make sense to put your (expensive) timepiece at risk like that.
It does make you wonder why brands put so much effort into testing their watches though. Brands like Rolex, Omega, TAG Heuer, and Panerai have a large set of tests that their watches need to withstand before they leave the manufacturer. Watches are subjected to drop tests, shock tests, water resistance tests, anti-magnetism checks, and more. In some cases, brands even use a large hammer to hit a watch and see what the effects are.
In the end, it is all about being certain that a watch will perform during normal daily use. Testing these watches under extreme conditions simulates the wear and tear that accumulates over the years in a single testing moment.

Be Careful
In all of my collecting life, I’ve only dropped a watch a handful of times; twice, things went bad. The first was a drop from about 70 cm onto a wooden floor. The watch’s accuracy was still good, but the bracelet snapped because some screws had broken off. I noticed this after a few days when the watch suddenly dropped off my wrist when I was driving due to these broken screws. Things could have been much worse if it hadn’t dropped on the soft carpet of the car.
The other time was a watch that had been certified for use by NASA and I dropped it from about one meter onto the floor (again, wooden). The mainspring snapped, which meant the watch had no power reserve anymore seeing as it couldn’t be wound. The watch required a complete service and a new mainspring.
Just think about what extreme sports could do to a watch.

 

[Johnpierpontmorgan]

Nothing to comment but says so much about the person character. dont know what to say if he doesn't feel ashamed of himself

 

[DXMachina]

that's it!

time to srsly consider liquidating the watch collection and slap on a g-shock instead?!

TT sir, heng I got 1 a few weeks back. Big big black black 1.

 

[peaceheart]

that's it!

time to srsly consider liquidating the watch collection and slap on a g-shock instead?!

http://www.chrono24.com/magazine/watches-and-sports-p_14441/

Spoiler

Watches and Sports

TAG Heuer Formula 1, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

06.01.2017 by Robert-Jan Broer

Fine mechanical engineering and sports don’t usually go well together. However, some brands have made testing their watches in extreme conditions an art form. Let’s talk about watches and sports.

Quartz and Mechanical
A distinction should be made between watches with a quartz movement and those with a mechanical movement. Some brands focus on outdoor activities, like Tissot with their T-Touch models. There is little to fear from shocks and other extreme conditions in those cases. For watches with a mechanical movement, however, things are very different. Some parts need to correspond and “work” with each other within the smallest tolerances. A bump or shock can seriously disrupt the inner workings of your mechanical watch. So, if you want to be on the safe side, go for a quartz timepiece if you play (extreme) sports.

Wait, There’s More
If a watch is put to the test at NASA for use during extravehicular activity (EVA), you can use it during a game of golf, right?

Omega Speedmaster DSOTM, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

There is obviously quite a difference between playing golf and an astronaut traveling through space. A watch is a tool or instrument for an astronaut, whereas it’s probably a luxury item for the golfer. Even if a watch has been tested to withstand extreme conditions, it’s really being tested for extraordinary situations that might occur at some point. When you play a game of golf, however, you take a swing multiple times in a row. This means you will repeatedly expose your watch to “danger.” Some statistics could be brought to the table here, but it should be sufficient to say that these fine mechanical watches aren’t built to be assaulted non-stop during sports.

Golf, Tennis, Sailing
So, why do brands want to be associated with sports like golf, horse racing, tennis, sailing, etc? Each of these is a sport that could easily damage your precious watch. Richard Mille, for example, developed a watch especially for Raphael Nadal (RM027) and Omega sponsors and shows us golfers like Rory McIlroy wearing their watches. And why does Rolex have a Yacht-Master range of watches? Many sailors don’t even wear watches for their own safety.
Sure, the Richard Mille is capable of handling the impact it gets when Raphael Nadal hits a ball with his tennis racket, but few know the real impact this has on the watch’s accuracy. It is all about marketing their products to the right target audience, not about the watches being the perfect product for wearing during a game of tennis or golf; it is about prestige.

What About Diving?

Oris Aquis Date, Image: © Bert Buijsrogge

When it comes to sports, shocks are mechanical movements’ worst enemies. But what about water? Can I dive with my watch if it says it has a water resistance of 200 meters?
Sure you can, but don’t get confused with the water resistance ratings. A watch that says it is water resistant to 30 meters can’t necessarily handle being 30 meters underwater. It has more to do with pressure, and since 30 meters equals just 3 BAR of pressure, you really shouldn’t take it in or even near the water. Only watches that are rated 100 meters or more should be taken into the water (~ 10 BAR). For real diving purposes, do your homework and make sure the watch meets the requirements for your specific tasks. Everything rated at 300 meters (~ 30 BAR) or more should be fine for most diving activities.

So Why Is It Tested?
It is understandable if you might be a bit put-off by the contents of this article. But try to think of it like this, would you put your fine classic racing car in 24 hours of Le Mans without any technical engineers or enough spare parts to keep it running in case something breaks down? No. You should cherish your mechanical timepiece, even if it was tested and certified for use on the Moon or seen on the wrist of a famous tennis player. It doesn’t make sense to put your (expensive) timepiece at risk like that.
It does make you wonder why brands put so much effort into testing their watches though. Brands like Rolex, Omega, TAG Heuer, and Panerai have a large set of tests that their watches need to withstand before they leave the manufacturer. Watches are subjected to drop tests, shock tests, water resistance tests, anti-magnetism checks, and more. In some cases, brands even use a large hammer to hit a watch and see what the effects are.
In the end, it is all about being certain that a watch will perform during normal daily use. Testing these watches under extreme conditions simulates the wear and tear that accumulates over the years in a single testing moment.

Be Careful
In all of my collecting life, I’ve only dropped a watch a handful of times; twice, things went bad. The first was a drop from about 70 cm onto a wooden floor. The watch’s accuracy was still good, but the bracelet snapped because some screws had broken off. I noticed this after a few days when the watch suddenly dropped off my wrist when I was driving due to these broken screws. Things could have been much worse if it hadn’t dropped on the soft carpet of the car.
The other time was a watch that had been certified for use by NASA and I dropped it from about one meter onto the floor (again, wooden). The mainspring snapped, which meant the watch had no power reserve anymore seeing as it couldn’t be wound. The watch required a complete service and a new mainspring.
Just think about what extreme sports could do to a watch.

Get a solar powered dw5600 loh

Tough
No batteries needed
Space flight certified iirc

Sent from Arkham Asylum using GAGT

 

[gaoxing84]

GX, we know each other and you should know I'm quite objective and I'm not taking sides. I'm also not some random clone. I think there are 2 main issues here.

1. You sought help from the GG FB group. Nothing wrong with doing that. Could the boss have handled the enquiry on FB / sales support email better? I'm sure most would say yes (the FB reply sounded abit curt and the email felt passive aggressive). Nevertheless, the boss came out and acknowledged that he could have handled the situation more delicately and that he'll be more careful in the future. Sure,maybe he doesn't want the backlash of negative feedback to stain the "brand". But at last, he did the right thing anyway.

2. When someone enquired about the watch, you stated "Watch condition perfect". Let's be mature and apply some common sense to this la. "watch" refers to the watch as a whole, not just the case. It's knn obviously not perfect. Just be upfront and state the known defects la. What for waste your time and the potential buyer's time if you know the buyer may not buy it if he knows about the stain. Be upfront and don't withhold information la.

1. I think there's a history of his attitude towards his customers. That's why there's a bunch of people who came out because i started the spark. I really hope he improve but that's none of my business anymore

2. Ok, let me clear this once and for all. Whenever someone ask me the watch condition (without specifying), i would take it as case condition. no doubt, its perfect.
You know it's easy to troll people on the internet. Clearly, when I said that, he got me, posted here and this is where it lands on me.
If he's really concern about the other parts of the watch condition. Would he probe or ask further questions? There are other factors which you will never know if I will actually say it or not because it didn't happen (so now jokes on me)
I could have gotten it fixed as well before selling.
Yes, maybe its my fault for not telling every single detail of the watch is there to know to the "potential" buyer.
Some people are know to accept the condition as it is due to the price or rather accept a lower offered price when he discovered a problem that he didn't like.

Whatever said on the net, only can be trusted to a certain extend, its still best to view the watch physically using his own eyes.

I am done with the GG saga. I trolled and got trolled.

Offloading it to someone who accepts the watch as it is.
I don't see a need to post the content here because that legit buyer ask if he can view it before he buys it, i told him about the stain and he's fine with it.

a sh1t watch is still a sh1t watch after all.

 

[TeenTitan01]

Get a solar powered dw5600 loh

Tough
No batteries needed
Space flight certified iirc

Sent from Arkham Asylum using GAGT

oh no! dickhead (daniel) wellington now also produce digital quartz?

ok, ok ... dw5600 is casio gshock, so it's all good, bro!

 

[binnie]

1. I think there's a history of his attitude towards his customers. That's why there's a bunch of people who came out because i started the spark. I really hope he improve but that's none of my business anymore

2. Ok, let me clear this once and for all. Whenever someone ask me the watch condition (without specifying), i would take it as case condition. no doubt, its perfect.
You know it's easy to troll people on the internet. Clearly, when I said that, he got me, posted here and this is where it lands on me.
If he's really concern about the other parts of the watch condition. Would he probe or ask further questions? There are other factors which you will never know if I will actually say it or not because it didn't happen (so now jokes on me)
I could have gotten it fixed as well before selling.
Yes, maybe its my fault for not telling every single detail of the watch is there to know to the "potential" buyer.
Some people are know to accept the condition as it is due to the price or rather accept a lower offered price when he discovered a problem that he didn't like.

Whatever said on the net, only can be trusted to a certain extend, its still best to view the watch physically using his own eyes.

I am done with the GG saga. I trolled and got trolled.

Offloading it to someone who accepts the watch as it is.
I don't see a need to post the content here because that legit buyer ask if he can view it before he buys it, i told him about the stain and he's fine with it.

a sh1t watch is still a sh1t watch after all.

It really does look like he intentionally set you up la. Nevertheless, being upfront is the best, then no one can lay a trap and back stab you. I sold you my vintage that time I still brought my encyclopedia along to show you everything legit tio boh

 

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It really does look like he intentionally set you up la. Nevertheless, being upfront is the best, then no one can lay a trap and back stab you. I sold you my vintage that time I still brought my encyclopedia along to show you everything legit tio boh

Point taken. Lol.
Yes you did.
Jokes on me this time round. No doubt about it.