TP-Link EB810v - Quick overview

[tsammyc]

Actually, I was thinking of using a bunch of BPI-R4 with BE14000 wifi7 to DIY an openwrt mesh using wired backhaul and 802.11r. It would certainly be the most work, likely give the most wifi headaches and require the most effort to maintain. And each BPI-R4 is half the price of a retail wifi7 router/AP. Patches will likely be available longest.

Then I thought if i used Starhub as ISP, why not just use their EB810v instead at $360 each. BE22000, commercially supported easymesh tech.

But with your inputs, I should really just buy a bunch of HB710 (SGSH or SGMRP). $192 for BE19000, easymesh and patches. I can use these as APs and run openwrt as the main router to have maximum router config flexibility and supported wifi. (The only problem is that the HB710 only has 10GE copper ports, and I was planning to convert my structured cabling to fiber runs...)

Be slightly careful here. If you want an EasyMesh connected to your BPI-R4, it is called EasyMesh in AP mode as a Controller and this is only available on some TP-Link routers as this is a very recently introduced feature of EasyMesh.

Refer to this document -> TP-Link routers supporting EasyMesh in AP mode

The HB710 is not in that list so I don't think it can be a mesh controller as an AP. Obviously, you can attach several HB710s simply as multiple APs' to your BPI-R4, but they will not function as a mesh, and you will not have the wonder of being able to wander from router to router without your video WhatsApp call disconnecting. Not all is lost however, because the retail Archer BE800 and BE805 are on that list and can be a mesh controller as an AP for a bunch of HB710 satellites. But they are more expensive. Maybe TP-Link will update the firmware on their Aginet routers eventually to support control as an AP.

 

[salmonella]

Be slightly careful here. If you want an EasyMesh connected to your BPI-R4, it is called EasyMesh in AP mode as a Controller and this is only available on some TP-Link routers as this is a very recently introduced feature of EasyMesh.

Refer to this document -> TP-Link routers supporting EasyMesh in AP mode

The HB710 is not in that list so I don't think it can be a mesh controller as an AP. Obviously, you can attach several HB710s simply as multiple APs' to your BPI-R4, but they will not function as a mesh, and you will not have the wonder of being able to wander from router to router without your video WhatsApp call disconnecting. Not all is lost however, because the retail Archer BE800 and BE805 are on that list and can be a mesh controller as an AP for a bunch of HB710 satellites. But they are more expensive. Maybe TP-Link will update the firmware on their Aginet routers eventually to support control as an AP.

Good point. I'm doubtful that aginet routers will gain this feature, unless service providers start to deploy these devices as APs.

Is it known that the EB810v and HB710 can easymesh together with BE800, BE805, BE810? Because starhub seems to warn to deploy EB810v and HB710 mesh together, instead of mixing with other easymesh devices.

If it works, I might consider getting the MR plan with BE805 and top up with additional HB710. But with the BE810, I might as well forego the openwrt router anyway.

Edit: Argh, this sounds like it might be worse than trying to get a diy openwrt mesh going.

 

[tsammyc]

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Good point. I'm doubtful that aginet routers will gain this feature, unless service providers start to deploy these devices as APs.

Is it known that the EB810v and HB710 can easymesh together with BE800, BE805, BE810? Because starhub seems to warn to deploy EB810v and HB710 mesh together, instead of mixing with other easymesh devices.

If it works, I might consider getting the MR plan with BE805 and top up with additional HB710. But with the BE810, I might as well forego the openwrt router anyway.

Edit: Argh, this sounds like it might be worse than trying to get a diy openwrt mesh going.

I can’t be sure of course, but the Aginet HB710 meshes fine with my Archer BE230 so it should mesh with the other Archer routers like the 805 and 810.

It would actually make sense for the service providers to add this so that people with ONRs can create meshes easily

 

[H_B_B_90]

hi guys, does the eb810v support ethernet backhaul?

 

[xiaofan]

hi guys, does the eb810v support ethernet backhaul?

Yes, both EB810v and HB710 support Ethernet Backhaul.

 

[XxGaiaxX]

Just gotten 2 EB810V routers.

Checking if this set up is correct, and will they get the same SSID without having the need to set up for both routers?

ONT - EB810V (WAN) - EB810V (10G LAN) in DB - EB810V (WAN) in another room

Or should I be connecting LAN to LAN instead of LAN to WAN?

 

[tsammyc]

When I take an EasyMesh router out of the box, plug into the LAN port (LAN-LAN) and turn it on, it automatically configures as a mesh node (one SSID) without doing anything else. I haven't tried the WAN port. After it's configured and it takes a few minutes, once the green light is on, it's functioning. After that whether to plug into the LAN or WAN doesn't matter. If not plugged in, it configures itself automatically for wireless mesh.

 

[XxGaiaxX]

When I take an EasyMesh router out of the box, plug into the LAN port (LAN-LAN) and turn it on, it automatically configures as a mesh node (one SSID) without doing anything else. I haven't tried the WAN port. After it's configured and it takes a few minutes, once the green light is on, it's functioning. After that whether to plug into the LAN or WAN doesn't matter. If not plugged in, it configures itself automatically for wireless mesh.

I see, thanks for the info. Just dont want to waste the 2nd router 10G port. So as long as its connected as a mesh, we can unplug and plug to WAN I suppose?

 

[tsammyc]

I see, thanks for the info. Just dont want to waste the 2nd router 10G port. So as long as its connected as a mesh, we can unplug and plug to WAN I suppose?

Yes. I've done that.

 

[salmonella]

That's so strange. But TP-Link documents the EB810v as having a Combo SFP+/RJ45 WAN-only port. So this can actually be used as a LAN port as well?

By the way, when you use your Aginet HB710 as a mesh slave to your Tether/Archer BE230 mesh controller, are you able to configure the HB710 and make use of the functions that are not supported on the BE230? For example,

is the 6GHz band working?
can clients connect to HB710's 2.4G / 5G bands at speeds beyond what the BE230 supports?
does all traffic get funneled through the BE230 (so if you were on 10G internet, it would be limited by the BE230's 2.5G ports

 

[tsammyc]

By the way, when you use your Aginet HB710 as a mesh slave to your Tether/Archer BE230 mesh controller, are you able to configure the HB710 and make use of the functions that are not supported on the BE230? For example,

is the 6GHz band working?
can clients connect to HB710's 2.4G / 5G bands at speeds beyond what the BE230 supports?
does all traffic get funneled through the BE230 (so if you were on 10G internet, it would be limited by the BE230's 2.5G ports

I can access the HB710 through its IP address and sign into it using the password on the sticker at the bottom of the router. When in EasyMesh mode, it doesn't have much. I can run speed test, see the bands its connecting on to the BE230 (5Ghz) and the bands that it is offering 2.4Ghz, 5Ghz,6Ghz. MLO seems to be off. I can also get basic information on the clients that are connected to this, which is also on the main router's easymesh interface. Other than that there is an option for firmware upgrade.

So the 6Ghz band is working, but because the BE230 doesn't have 6Ghz, the HB710 offers it on a separate SSID which isn't part of the mesh i.e., the HB710 offers the SSIDs of the BE230 controller and its own 6Ghz SSID. It's actually good for me because I connect my Mac at 6Ghz, while it meshes with the BE230 at 5Ghz. No overlap.

I've tested the speed of the 5Gz mesh link at a close distance and it's just over 2Gbps. Through two walls, it falls to 400Mbps. My Mac is WiFi 6E, so it doesn't have 6Ghz 320Mhz channel hence if I ever want to experience > 2Gbps connection with a capable WiFi 7 6Ghz client, I'll have to use Ethernet backhaul. So yes, I'm currently limited by the BE230's 2.5Gbps ports and my 3Gbps BB even though I do have a 10Gbps NAS (which I can access through a separate LAN cable). I plugged the Mac's 10Gbps thunderbolt dongle into the HB710's 10 Gbps port to determine the HB710's maximum wireless mesh speed with the BE230, and that was 2Gbps.

The main reason the HB710 is not the mesh controller is I need a Wireguard VPN server, which the BE230 has, on my main router and the HB710 doesn't (none of the Aginet do).

 

[MArVeLIciOUS888]

No. Something else is wrong. You may want to check the Ethernet cable on the WAN side (between ONT and EB810v).

If you are sure the cable is okay, it could also be the issue with Nokia ONT. There have been a few reports of quality issues of Nokia XGS-PON ONT from Starhub and MR users.

Thanks xiaofan. I've checked the cables and all are plugged in properly.

I also noticed that the dropping issue got worse maybe 1-2 weeks after I added my Hasivo S600W-4gt-2xgt-Se to the 10Gb port. Do you guys think that this might also be causing the problem? The switch seems to be working fine though. My family could be watching a video stored on my wired NAS without any problem, while I at the same time experience on/off WiFi connection to my phone. The on/off connection seem to happen whenever I try to access something eg the router through Aginet app, logging in to my NAS via app. Sometimes I can connect to both faster and without issue when I go off WiFi and use mobile data.

Could QoS also be an issue? I have been using it for a long time without problems though before all this dropping issues.

Just trying to figure out the problem.

 

[Eternit]

Hi @xiaofan, I'm using the EB810v under StarHub 5GB plan. A few questions:

1. There's a "10Gbps Ethernet" and a "10Gbps SFP+" port at the back. SH technician only used the ethernet and left SFP+ unutilised. I wonder if this is the optimum setup? What if I use the SFP+ port instead? Is there a way / scenario to utilise both?

2. Under Aginet app settings, my 5GHz network channel and channel width will always default to 100 and 160MHz no matter what values I set. For e.g. if I set both to auto or if I choose any other values, say channel 128 and channel width 240MHz, after awhile when I re-enter the app, these values will default back to 100 and 160MHz. Why is this so and are this the optimum values?

3. For 2.4GHz network, sometimes it disappears / turn off (I cant find it in wireless network). This will cause all my house's CCTVs to stop functioning (they only run on 2.4GHz). I need to restart the EB810v for the 2.4GHz to reappear. How can I fix this issue? 2.4GHz current settings: channel auto, channel width auto, transmit power high, security WPA/WPA2.

 

[HiHelloBye]

1. There's a "10Gbps Ethernet" and a "10Gbps SFP+" port at the back. SH technician only used the ethernet and left SFP+ unutilised. I wonder if this is the optimum setup? What if I use the SFP+ port instead? Is there a way / scenario to utilise both?

SFP+ port is not usable

 

[salmonella]

According to https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/, it is a combo SFP+/10GE WAN port. So you can use either one, not both. And Starhub offers you the service as a 10GE.
If you left Starhub and went to another ISP that offers the service via an SFP+ ONU (such as Viewqwest), you could potentially use the SFP+ port. But the 10GE combo WAN still cannot be used.

 

[xiaofan]

Hi @xiaofan, I'm using the EB810v under StarHub 5GB plan. A few questions:

1. There's a "10Gbps Ethernet" and a "10Gbps SFP+" port at the back. SH technician only used the ethernet and left SFP+ unutilised. I wonder if this is the optimum setup? What if I use the SFP+ port instead? Is there a way / scenario to utilise both?

2. Under Aginet app settings, my 5GHz network channel and channel width will always default to 100 and 160MHz no matter what values I set. For e.g. if I set both to auto or if I choose any other values, say channel 128 and channel width 240MHz, after awhile when I re-enter the app, these values will default back to 100 and 160MHz. Why is this so and are this the optimum values?

3. For 2.4GHz network, sometimes it disappears / turn off (I cant find it in wireless network). This will cause all my house's CCTVs to stop functioning (they only run on 2.4GHz). I need to restart the EB810v for the 2.4GHz to reappear. How can I fix this issue? 2.4GHz current settings: channel auto, channel width auto, transmit power high, security WPA/WPA2.

1) Not at the same time as it is a Combo port And in reality, if you use it as the main router with Starhub, the SFP+ port is useless.

2) No idea. But in general, do not expect 240Mhz channel bandwidth on 5GHz to work in Singapore if you use it for wireless clients. Some users claim it may work for wireless backhaul.

3) No idea.

 

[Eternit]

Thanks guys. What's the recommended channel and channel width for 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz for this router?

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks guys. What's the recommended channel and channel width for 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz for this router?

2.4GHz band: 20MHz. Do not use 40MHz due to congestions in Singapore.

5GHz: try 160MHz to see if it works or not, if not switch to 80MHz.

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks xiaofan. I've checked the cables and all are plugged in properly.

I also noticed that the dropping issue got worse maybe 1-2 weeks after I added my Hasivo S600W-4gt-2xgt-Se to the 10Gb port. Do you guys think that this might also be causing the problem? The switch seems to be working fine though. My family could be watching a video stored on my wired NAS without any problem, while I at the same time experience on/off WiFi connection to my phone. The on/off connection seem to happen whenever I try to access something eg the router through Aginet app, logging in to my NAS via app. Sometimes I can connect to both faster and without issue when I go off WiFi and use mobile data.

Could QoS also be an issue? I have been using it for a long time without problems though before all this dropping issues.

Just trying to figure out the problem.

There is a report related to the Nokia ONT in the Starhub 5Gbps thread, saying that the Fibre Cable can be a problem, including the Fibre cable which comes with the Nokia ONT.

You may contact Starhub for help.

 

[Nwcguy]

Noob question. Are the service provider models EB810V and HB710 compatible with other ISPs? Scared I buy from Carousell but can’t work.