Vinyl Flooring

[jnashville]

Decided to get tiles instead of vinyl. Talked to one of the major vinyl company and felt that the sales person was kind of avoiding my question about water seepage.

For peace of mind, I will spend more on tiles. Don't want to deal with bad smell n mould/mildew underneath the vinyl flooring a few years down the road and end up having to re-do the flooring.

Many things can happen to cause water seepage, aircon leaking, pipe burst or heavy rain when u forget to close the windows (which I have the habit of..) and no one is at home to wipe away the water immediately.

I have allergies n asthma too, so mould /mildew would be bad.

u do know that tiles have grout lines.. mould / mildew can be trap in the grout lines of tiles and u cant really clean it with a normal mop or wipe down as the grout lines are indented ya?

Vinyl dont have this issue of grout lines. The Grout lines of tiles get black with dirt and mould too.

 

[starlight318]

who say one.

"The trait that makes SPC flooring stand out is that it is 100 per cent waterproof.
100 per cent waterproof means that SPC flooring can withstand soaking, and is suitable for bathrooms and kitchens."


https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/how-choose-your-material-spc-flooring

please read up.

alot of people nowadays just re-quoting what others are saying but no experience/research of their own. They never use before and just repeat what others are saying in forums, or maybe their ID says it. Do a simple google search.

I installed on both my toilets too.

Perfectly fine and waterproof.

Yes the vinyl plank material itself is 100% waterproof but what I read from my research is that water can still get underneath the planks via grooves or edges. Not sure if this only happens when installation is not done properly or is it possible for all vinyl flooring..

Tiles have grout lines that can grow mold too but at least I can clean it.

Anyone has used vinyl flooring for many years to come n share?

 

[lifeinmono]

who say one.

"The trait that makes SPC flooring stand out is that it is 100 per cent waterproof.
100 per cent waterproof means that SPC flooring can withstand soaking, and is suitable for bathrooms and kitchens."


https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/how-choose-your-material-spc-flooring

please read up.

alot of people nowadays just re-quoting what others are saying but no experience/research of their own. They never use before and just repeat what others are saying in forums, or maybe their ID says it. Do a simple google search.

I installed on both my toilets too.

Perfectly fine and waterproof.

How much to do both toilets?

Sent from Binary World using GAGT

 

[jnashville]

Yes the vinyl plank material itself is 100% waterproof but what I read from my research is that water can still get underneath the planks via grooves or edges. Not sure if this only happens when installation is not done properly or is it possible for all vinyl flooring..

Tiles have grout lines that can grow mold too but at least I can clean it.

Anyone has used vinyl flooring for many years to come n share?

U should research more in detail. Tons of websites shows that spc vinyl can be used in the bathroom.

Like that I also can say the water can seep through those tiles grout cuz installer didnt do good job. Same concept what..

 

[starlight318]

U should research more in detail. Tons of websites shows that spc vinyl can be used in the bathroom.

Like that I also can say the water can seep through those tiles grout cuz installer didnt do good job. Same concept what..

I asked my contractor friend, he also said that is a potential issue for vinyl, moisture can seep thru although only bit by bit because its a click system not sealed. His advice is if I intend to stay in my flat for only 5-10 years then go for vinyl. Otherwise better stick to tiles. I have no plans to sell my flat, will stay until I die so safest to go for tiles.

 

[The_King]

Yes the vinyl plank material itself is 100% waterproof but what I read from my research is that water can still get underneath the planks via grooves or edges. Not sure if this only happens when installation is not done properly or is it possible for all vinyl flooring..

Tiles have grout lines that can grow mold too but at least I can clean it.

Anyone has used vinyl flooring for many years to come n share?

yes, currently lack of data (real life home owner exp), what happen to vinyl after 12yr? and since my chair got roller. after happen after 12 yr of the roller on the vinyl floor for more then 12yrs.



i can say for me Tiles line, i can clean, no issues and i can say after 15yr of the roller on the same spot, the Tiles floor look the same, nothing really different with the rest of the tiles from the rest of my home.

 

[The_King]

U should research more in detail. Tons of websites shows that spc vinyl can be used in the bathroom.

Like that I also can say the water can seep through those tiles grout cuz installer didnt do good job. Same concept what..

i did mine research, i have yet to find huge amount of data or real life exp of vinyl flooring who own vinyl for more then 12yr. not those data who is hardly at home type, prefer those with family and kids


please share real life home owner with vinyl for12yr or more.

 

[The_King]

I asked my contractor friend, he also said that is a potential issue for vinyl, moisture can seep thru although only bit by bit because its a click system not sealed. His advice is if I intend to stay in my flat for only 5-10 years then go for vinyl. Otherwise better stick to tiles. I have no plans to sell my flat, will stay until I die so safest to go for tiles.

simply is because tiles is time tested, we exp it daily, and most places or other homes and we know about tiles pros and cons

 

[tyrensky]

hi all,

i m in processing of buying resale 5 yrs (with no vinyl, original hdb tiles). the house comes with some built-in furnitures which we intend to keep to minimize our reno cost. just wondering, as vinyl is usually being done first before carpentry works, how will the vinyl contractor seal the area near to the built-ins? will this be more prone for water to seep in?

 

[johnong316]

vinyl is in the market for 8 years (those plank size vinyl. not referring to those vinyl sheet or vinyl tiles which is found in those 30-40 years flat). Mainly used in EU and US and slowly to Asia (Singapore). We cant compare vinyl 8 years back with vinyl today. The technology of vinyl has evolved and matured at its peak. Why vinyl is so sought after today is because most issue found in the old vinyl has been rectified. In the past, people was using 2,3,4mm vinyl where you dont have floor comfort and dimension stability issue (expansion and contraction of planks). So 5mm thickness is designed to address to this issue. Also there are retail outlet using 5mm, 0.3mm wear layer vinyl (wear layer is the top protective layer of the plank). In less than 2 years, the wear layer will wear out and you can see sign of wear or damaged surface. Today most vinyls are using 0.5mm wear or even 0.7mm. So durability is minimum 20 years for residential usage. How I know? We tested the planks on a roller chair in the factory. The chair will rotate on the plank and every 2000 rounds equate to 1 month of usage. So 25 years equivalent, the wear layer worn off.

Although there are pros and cons compared to tiles. But given the cost and convenience it offers compared to tiles, its worth considering.

Btw, I am from Mori Homz, a vinyl company. I'm not here to promote my vinyl. But just to share my knowledge and debunk the myths from my 4 years of experience in the industry. I started off as an end consumer looking for vinyl flooring for my home. Equally clueless and noob. But after rounds of visit to factory and involve in their R&D process, I'm sure i'm able to shed some light here.

Cheers
John

 

[The_King]

any 3rd party certification to backup those claim?


Question: tested the planks on a roller chair in the factory which will rotate on the plank and every 2000 rounds.

since i weight 100kg + 18kg (herman miller aeron remastered weight at 18kg) is the chair tested with any load say at 118kg and is it tested with Live Load or dead load on the plank


thanks

 

[matrix05]

Vinyl floor means stepping on plastic; are there any ways to improve the sole feeling; like wax, mopping with which brand of cleaner etc ?

 

[johnong316]

if talking about 3rd party certification, we only done abrasion test. This roller chair testing is purely for us to determine the warranty for wear layer. I have a colleague who is 100kg although not using a branded chair that weigh 18kg in my office. But still good enough for you to see.

Btw, im not trying to proof anything or sell anything here. I'm just here to share my knowledge on vinyl flooring. There are close to 100 factories producing vinyl in just one China province. Everybody has their own formula on the material mixture. And there are hundred and one thing that could happen. Nobody is able to conduct all test as per customer doubts as it incur cost.

bottom line, why are we here to discuss vinyl flooring here. Many of us are reading these is because budget constrain (tiles too costly), ID strongly recommend (but too expensive) or dont like the cold hard feel of tiles and prefer the warmth of vinyl. Some may be staying in the house and is sick of their tiles and want to change the look and vinyl is their best alternative.

To each his own. If anybody want to pick on something on a product, there will always something to pick on. No product in the world will satisfy everyone. Even when the covid 19 vaccine is out with tonnes of certification from all relevant authority, there will still people who are doubtful.

bro. home reno stressful enough. Just make it a fun one.....If you really like tiles go for it. Personally I also prefer tiles but more for the look than the quality...Cheers

 

[johnong316]

Vinyl floor means stepping on plastic; are there any ways to improve the sole feeling; like wax, mopping with which brand of cleaner etc ?

the is no additional way you can enhanced the feel. However, the factory can produce different embossing (how we compress the top layer to have different effect). You need to walk on the vendor floor to feel it if floor feel is your priority.

 

[johnong316]

hi all,

i m in processing of buying resale 5 yrs (with no vinyl, original hdb tiles). the house comes with some built-in furnitures which we intend to keep to minimize our reno cost. just wondering, as vinyl is usually being done first before carpentry works, how will the vinyl contractor seal the area near to the built-ins? will this be more prone for water to seep in?

actually at the cabinet edge the best way is apply a thick coat of silicon. But it will compromise on the look as we will see a thick layer odd color silicon running around the cabinet. So we will try to apply a thinner coat for aesthetic. Water will not easily sip through if you are mopping your floor. Even if it does, the small amount is still able to evaporate. But lets say the worst scenario the house flood and ponding. We are still able to remove the vinyl, wipe off the vinyl and put it back. Its not the end of the floor....

 

[OneMantou]

The thing about tiles vs vinyl flooring, the latter is easier to replace a single/few spoilt piece ? When a normal tile is chipped, need hacking to replace. (Assuming in both scenarios got keep spare tile).

To overlay vinyl over existing flooring which is already flat (eg homogeneous tiles), just layer the vinyl on top or does the flooring need to be covered with something else first? I want the flexibility to "go back" to the existing tiles already lying there if one day the vinyl spoil and no budget to replace back lol

 

[DaYellowDuckie]

The thing about tiles vs vinyl flooring, the latter is easier to replace a single/few spoilt piece ? When a normal tile is chipped, need hacking to replace. (Assuming in both scenarios got keep spare tile).

To overlay vinyl over existing flooring which is already flat (eg homogeneous tiles), just layer the vinyl on top or does the flooring need to be covered with something else first? I want the flexibility to "go back" to the existing tiles already lying there if one day the vinyl spoil and no budget to replace back lol

what's the odds of normal tile need a replacement ?

 

[OneMantou]

what's the odds of normal tile need a replacement ?

When it chipped, got stubborn stain maybe, or this happen:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/popping-tiles-in-hdb-flats-why-does-it-happen-and-how-to-get-them-fixed

 

[DaYellowDuckie]

When it chipped, got stubborn stain maybe, or this happen:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...-why-does-it-happen-and-how-to-get-them-fixed

what if the tiles below the Vinyl flooring pops ?


i will be doing Vinyl overlay my Sales Of Balance flat. Tiles already installed.

 

[The_King]

The chair will rotate on the plank and every 2000 rounds equate to 1 month of usage.

so how long he seat on it to do the test?

Reason is simple, if the roller after 10yr leave a mark or wear layer wear off, i can only blame myself for choosing the wrong one which is why as a consumer, it is up to me to find the pros and cons, as the saying goes penny wise pound foolish


there will still people who are doubtful. cause, there a movie quote which say: there only 2 person i trust is, 1 of them is me and the other not you. which is why input, data is important


as a functional person, reno stressful is nothing comparing spending hard earn cash and spending money is not a fun one, need time to plan and finds it cons and pros.


A functional person always goes for whichever last the longest aka most durable. look does not matter at all to a practical person, money do