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[andr3wyong]

Just because the cable passes Hawaii doesn't mean ISPs purchase circuits to Hawaii… so far all the ISPs buy circuits direct to US.

That's why you don't see Hawaii in any traceroute to the US.

 

[Henry Ng]

Just because the cable passes Hawaii doesn't mean ISPs purchase circuits to Hawaii… so far all the ISPs buy circuits direct to US.

That's why you don't see Hawaii in any traceroute to the US.

If you think Hawaii not important. You can do speedtest to new york server. Try that server that begin with I and share your speed here.

 

[andr3wyong]

Singapore circuits land in US west, not east…

Anyway speedtest is a very poor test of connectivity. Oh well believe what you want

 

[Salapi]

If you think Hawaii not important. You can do speedtest to new york server. Try that server that begin with I and share your speed here.

that's pretty fast for 25mbps cable.

weird, just asking, why cable > fibre for international bandwidth? accessing china streaming sites, 25mbps cable no lag but fibre 300mbps stutter like mad?

 

[Henry Ng]

Singapore circuits land in US west, not east…

Anyway speedtest is a very poor test of connectivity. Oh well believe what you want

I know it go to west coast first then east so it will be slower at the east. I can get 30-43Mbps to New York.

 

[Salapi]

according to this website.

seems like ST and SH better? why arh?

Consumer Broadband Report

 

[Henry Ng]

that's pretty fast for 25mbps cable.

weird, just asking, why cable > fibre for international bandwidth? accessing china streaming sites, 25mbps cable no lag but fibre 300mbps stutter like mad?

Yes for your 25M plan that is ok. Lag can ask ST to change router and ONT, no problem at all.

 

[Henry Ng]

according to this website.

seems like ST and SH better? why arh?

Consumer Broadband Report

Yes, ST fastest. Commercial secret, if you and me can know why then ST already close down.

 

[Javier23]

Just months ago I'm a SingTel fibre 200 user, and reports are reports. It depends on your type of usage. For me personally, I can wait for downloads as usually I do not need them immediately, but I can't accept video streams buffering every now and then while I'm watching it.

I'm a VQ user now, from my personal usage, VQ did better all round as compared to SingTel, be it bittorrent, gaming, streaming or just plain surfing web, latency decreased, speed increased all around. I'm an avid stream viewer, youtube, twitch, netflix, hulu, etc. The most significant change is twitch.tv, SingTel was able to deliver twitch stream smoothly while I was a new sign up, but months later it just start going downhill and I've to endure the remaining 1 and half year+ of contract. I did send emails and call the tech support regarding the issue but they kept saying that the fault was on my end. Basically they can't do anything about issue that aren't related to your PC or your router/gateway.

Unless things has changed in the past 2 months, SingTel users please feel free to try twitch.tv, the best settings might just be 'medium' on a good day and 'low' settings if you want a non-stuttering stream. Twitch was ranked 4th last year for most bandwidth consumed in the US, behind Netflix, Google and Apple according to WSJ. If having strong US links means leaving the top most bandwidth demanding services out there, then things became clear that the word 'strong' differs from one person to another.

On VQ, I don't have any issue watching it on the highest settings and opening multiple streams at once. But I do have my qualm regarding their connection speed to twitch.tv VOD, so I emailed their tech support, went down to grab dinner for my family, while I'm on my way I've received an email reply from VQ tech support. After a few email exchanges and several days, the speed to twitch VOD increased to a point that I'm able to watch it smoothly. This will never happen with SingTel as their staff will just ask you to tracert, ping, hold you on the phone and eventually tell you that it's the website's problem the next week.

I'm not here to bash on SingTel nor am I promoting for VQ, but I just want to set the record straight that without trying out both services, 'hear say' from friends and others is just 'hear say'. They might not be as tech savvy as others you've asked, heck, if I let my sister differentiate the two services she would say it's the same. To make a fair comparison, the user have to be the constant and the ISP as the variable and not isolated cases.

Make choices depending on your needs, not all ISP is tailored to everyone. SingTel might have better connections to other service that I'm not using, if it affects you, by all means go sign up for the ISP you preferred, nobody is gonna force it down your throat if you don't like it.

 

[andr3wyong]

I like your balanced review.

Honestly speaking, we have customers who signed up for VQ’s no contract plan to try it out, there are those who did prefer other ISPs for various very good reasons like some channels on Mio TV/Starhub TV or bundle discounts on mobile line and TV.

While there's full OpenNet-related installation and termination charges for trying VQ out for 200M no contract, I’d say it's worth a try for those who suspect they're being shortchanged by their current ISP.

Total cost is around $200+ if trying for just 1 month which compared to signing away a 24 month contract is certainly an option.

And Twitch.tv is a very long story… for a very short period of time there were complains about occasional lag at source quality and customers were saying they expected smooth streaming at source quality

Though the customers are more demanding compared to other ISPs, the US bandwidth has been expanded significantly since I first signed up in Dec 2011

 

[dethangel]

Its 3am+ ...working on 1 of my customers' firewalls and i've just chanced upon this thread:

Since someone is so obsessed about Hawaii Speed tests , here are some speed tests done by yours truly on both Singtel 200Mbps & 300Mbps VQ (since as EDMWers like to say NPNT) - I GPGT for you:

Digitech Solutions LLC - ST

Wiz Technologies - ST

Digitech Solutions LLC - VQ

Wiz Technologies - VQ

Hope this end this Hawaiian debacle.

Please go watch Hawaii Five-0 TV series more on Hulu rather than asking people to run speed tests at Hawaii... its not real world.

Period.

 

[andr3wyong]

Its 3am+ ...working on 1 of my customers' firewalls and i've just chanced upon this thread:

Since someone is so obsessed about Hawaii Speed tests , here are some speed tests done by yours truly on both Singtel 200Mbps & 300Mbps VQ (since as EDMWers like to say NPNT) - I GPGT for you:

Digitech Solutions LLC - ST

Wiz Technologies - ST

Digitech Solutions LLC - VQ

Wiz Technologies - VQ

Hope this end this Hawaiian debacle.

Please go watch Hawaii Five-0 TV series more on Hulu rather than asking people to run speed tests at Hawaii... its not real world.

Period.

watching Netflix nice and early in the day…

 

[Henry Ng]

Just months ago I'm a SingTel fibre 200 user, and reports are reports. It depends on your type of usage. For me personally, I can wait for downloads as usually I do not need them immediately, but I can't accept video streams buffering every now and then while I'm watching it.

I'm a VQ user now, from my personal usage, VQ did better all round as compared to SingTel, be it bittorrent, gaming, streaming or just plain surfing web, latency decreased, speed increased all around. I'm an avid stream viewer, youtube, twitch, netflix, hulu, etc. The most significant change is twitch.tv, SingTel was able to deliver twitch stream smoothly while I was a new sign up, but months later it just start going downhill and I've to endure the remaining 1 and half year+ of contract. I did send emails and call the tech support regarding the issue but they kept saying that the fault was on my end. Basically they can't do anything about issue that aren't related to your PC or your router/gateway.

Unless things has changed in the past 2 months, SingTel users please feel free to try twitch.tv, the best settings might just be 'medium' on a good day and 'low' settings if you want a non-stuttering stream. Twitch was ranked 4th last year for most bandwidth consumed in the US, behind Netflix, Google and Apple according to WSJ. If having strong US links means leaving the top most bandwidth demanding services out there, then things became clear that the word 'strong' differs from one person to another.

On VQ, I don't have any issue watching it on the highest settings and opening multiple streams at once. But I do have my qualm regarding their connection speed to twitch.tv VOD, so I emailed their tech support, went down to grab dinner for my family, while I'm on my way I've received an email reply from VQ tech support. After a few email exchanges and several days, the speed to twitch VOD increased to a point that I'm able to watch it smoothly. This will never happen with SingTel as their staff will just ask you to tracert, ping, hold you on the phone and eventually tell you that it's the website's problem the next week.

I'm not here to bash on SingTel nor am I promoting for VQ, but I just want to set the record straight that without trying out both services, 'hear say' from friends and others is just 'hear say'. They might not be as tech savvy as others you've asked, heck, if I let my sister differentiate the two services she would say it's the same. To make a fair comparison, the user have to be the constant and the ISP as the variable and not isolated cases.

Make choices depending on your needs, not all ISP is tailored to everyone. SingTel might have better connections to other service that I'm not using, if it affects you, by all means go sign up for the ISP you preferred, nobody is gonna force it down your throat if you don't like it.

IDA is specialised in it and done a lot for our NGBN and the gov ICT and many others. Honestly IDA is accurate as it is open and based on individual volunteers and with device installed at the user's home. Quite sure you are writing based on your own thinking.

 

[dethangel]

IDA is specialised in it and done a lot for our NGBN and the gov ICT and many others. Honestly IDA is accurate as it is open and based on individual volunteers and with device installed at the user's home. Quite sure you are writing based on your own thinking.

IDA?

Do you know what is route prioritization?

Do you know where the test node is even hosted here in Singapore?

Off topic... IDA is a Governtment regulatory body, they contract organisations to "come up with solutions" and pay the lowest fees - we all know this - if you don't know - please google - GeBiZ - that's where all the tenders are hosted.

Govt ICT projects are still outsourced FYI - seen one too many eg. SoE ... I was part of that team in the early days - i can't say much of it except that those under the project will know.

Do you know what you're even saying?

Due to route prioritization over time, the samknows box has lost its relevance and credibility (since you like to look at charts all the time - please by all means continue to look at charts provided by mainstream providers).

I still run a test node from Samknows on ST to see whether any issues with my line - but that's about it.

Personal feel - get the lowest plan you can afford for fiber and don't bother bout the rest as the pipeline out of SG is only "so small" and since being with red, content is heavily throttled as more and more individuals jump on the bandwagon (including businesses).

Want unthrottled? Want a team that listens? Want a team that responds? You know where to look...

 

[Henry Ng]

IDA?

Do you know what is route prioritization?

Do you know where the test node is even hosted here in Singapore?

Off topic... IDA is a Governtment regulatory body, they contract organisations to "come up with solutions" and pay the lowest fees - we all know this - if you don't know - please google - GeBiZ - that's where all the tenders are hosted.

Govt ICT projects are still outsourced FYI - seen one too many eg. SoE ... I was part of that team in the early days - i can't say much of it except that those under the project will know.

Do you know what you're even saying?

Due to route prioritization over time, the samknows box has lost its relevance and credibility (since you like to look at charts all the time - please by all means continue to look at charts provided by mainstream providers).

I still run a test node from Samknows on ST to see whether any issues with my line - but that's about it.

Personal feel - get the lowest plan you can afford for fiber and don't bother bout the rest as the pipeline out of SG is only "so small" and since being with red, content is heavily throttled as more and more individuals jump on the bandwagon (including businesses).

Want unthrottled? Want a team that listens? Want a team that responds? You know where to look...

Honestly no offense, there are a lot of things you are not aware. Getting the lowest price does not meant that it is no good. They are fair & open so they are doing that. Honestly our sg public service is so effective and there are ways that it can check. IDA is well trained. Do you think it will pay if work is not properly done? Just look at it openly.

 

[testament]

IDA is specialised in it and done a lot for our NGBN and the gov ICT and many others. Honestly IDA is accurate as it is open and based on individual volunteers and with device installed at the user's home. Quite sure you are writing based on your own thinking.

Honestly no offense, there are a lot of things you are not aware. Getting the lowest price does not meant that it is no good. They are fair & open so they are doing that. Honestly our sg public service is so effective and there are ways that it can check. IDA is well trained. Do you think it will pay if work is not properly done? Just look at it openly.

Henry,

It is odd that you ask people to look at it openly and yet you dismiss Javier23's experience as "his own thinking".

And for the record, I don't see Javier23 mentioning IDA at all. If using the same fibre network infra and ST is delivering a "poorer" experience, I'm sure non of us are pointing the finger at IDA

 

[Henry Ng]

Henry,

It is odd that you ask people to look at it openly and yet you dismiss Javier23's experience as "his own thinking".

And for the record, I don't see Javier23 mentioning IDA at all. If using the same fibre network infra and ST is delivering a "poorer" experience, I'm sure non of us are pointing the finger at IDA

IDA samknows report and consumer broadband report. Samknows box is install in volunteers home. Mar 2014 - international DL speed for VQ 200M is 91.7M.

 

[Swordsman]

im super heavy use of bit torrent.

need to super heavy seeding and downloading.

those isp that throttle bit torrent speed are automatically out from my list.

 

[dethangel]

Honestly no offense, there are a lot of things you are not aware. Getting the lowest price does not meant that it is no good. They are fair & open so they are doing that. Honestly our sg public service is so effective and there are ways that it can check. IDA is well trained. Do you think it will pay if work is not properly done? Just look at it openly.

Honetly no offense either, there are alot of things going on behind the 3 big players that you yourself don't even know (unless you work in the infra team) if no - you don't know the half of it.

Please continue to believe the blindfolded pictures the major ISPs put over your eyes, please continue to do so and be mesmerized.

But please do not mislead people with misinformation.

Any organisation can be "well trained" and "open" but what goes on behind - those who worked with them will know.

 

[dethangel]

im super heavy use of bit torrent.

need to super heavy seeding and downloading.

those isp that throttle bit torrent speed are automatically out from my list.

Then look elsewhere.

ST throttles heavily - with even pathetic speeds during the wee hours. Majority of HWZners know this.

VQ so far has not disappointed for me.

Routes/hops shorter & better latency if you game.