Why EV attract so many haters?

[rizhal]

For some drivers, they love the thrill of dead-weight sprint off the traffic stop line, EV is absolutely the love for them.

 

[mooseolly]

For some drivers, they love the thrill of dead-weight sprint off the traffic stop line, EV is absolutely the love for them.

The other day got fellow edmwer shown in SGRV

 

[standarture]

For some drivers, they love the thrill of dead-weight sprint off the traffic stop line, EV is absolutely the love for them.

My friends who drive EV say they like EV cos can overtake cars easily. Especially expressway merging too. Really jialat. EVs only amplify sinkie poor driving skills. The instant torque really tok kong.

Especially those EV buses, you can literally feel yourself being pushed back into the seat. Damn jialat one. Got people fall down before also.

 

[rizhal]

My friends who drive EV say they like EV cos can overtake cars easily. Especially expressway merging too. Really jialat. EVs only amplify sinkie poor driving skills. The instant torque really tok kong.

Especially those EV buses, you can literally feel yourself being pushed back into the seat. Damn jialat one. Got people fall down before also.

Yes the EV bus ! I have to grab the pole firmly !

 

[standarture]

Yes the EV bus ! I have to grab the pole firmly !

Damn scary one sia. If the bus driver lead foot, GG. Right in front of me, the old lady haven't reach her seat yet, she fell to the floor due to the instant acceleration.

 

[elimmel]

Maybe the hate should be directed to EV policy? Higher road tax, insurance, zero parf makes petrol savings moot. So they “took care” of the parf issue.
Want lower road tax? Buy lower spec and entry level EV… but reliability and safety remains in drivers’ minds….
But end of the day, sinkies still LLST switch over. Bopian ma. Policy says so…

 

[testerjp]

Even in tier 3/tier 4 China province, most of the new car registrants are EV.

Garage there huat ah.
They don't earn from the change of engine oil which are so troublesome to earn so little,nor batteries. They earn alot from Tyre replacement, a cost that people did not expect. The Tyres wear out twice as fast. I know garage owners there.

 

[Eatsleepeatsleep]

Also EV is actually more suitable for residents in landed housing with their own charging points. Otherwise you have to fight with other residents for charging slots, especially in the evening.

 

[Multiversal]

So many things changed because of electricity.

1. Film cameras died because of digital cameras which died because of smartphone cameras which run on electricity. Nikon, Canon, Olympus would hate iPhone, Vivo, Huawei..

2. Digital and Quartz watches which run on electricity killed the mechanical watch industry. Even Rolex is not worth keeping. The companies making these watches and those who own a Rolex hate watches which run on electricity.

3. Combustion engine cars are now being cannibalized by yet another electrical gadget: EV.

Who hates EVs? Well it's certainly not peasants who take the bus and MRT.

It's companies which sell combustion engine cars which are losing sales. It's oil companies, petrol companies like Shell, ExxonMobil...

It's also existing combustion engine car owners who will not be able to sell their cars if new buyers go for EVs. It's like Rolex owners who no longer have a long line of buyers when people prefer snartwatches which run on electricity.

The next major change will come when EVs are equipped with even more powerful AI just like snartwatches which make Rolex seem so ancient. Put advanced AI into future models and the Rolex will join the ranks of manual typewriters and Seiko 5.

 

[DragonFire]

Even in tier 3/tier 4 China province, most of the new car registrants are EV.

Garage there huat ah.
They don't earn from the change of engine oil which are so troublesome to earn so little,nor batteries. They earn alot from Tyre replacement, a cost that people did not expect. The Tyres wear out twice as fast. I know garage owners there.

This. EVs use the same high-performance tires as heavy conti cars. $300-400 a piece. Many don't realize what it takes to keep a 2.5 ton car on the road. Undisciplined application of torque and brakes just makes em wear out even faster.

I'm taking delivery of my new Chinese EV next week. Already installed a 22kw charge point.

Decided not to renew my Lexus COE. The engine's great, but I got a sporadic transmission overheat the last few months. It grossly increases the likelihood that it will need expensive mechanical work sometime in the next 5-10 years.

I did explore getting a new Lexus hybrid, but it was a full 80k more for roughly the same interior build quality as the Chinese EV, and only 50% of the performance.

Traditional automobile companies are in trouble. Period. The Chinese got them by the balls.

 

[DragonFire]

So many things changed because of electricity.

I would argue that analog has its charm. You mention watches.

I believe that artisan grade mechanisms that come out of Geneva and Glashutte will always be valued for their permanence and tangibility over quartz timed electrons whizzing about a silicon core. Analog is less precise. Analog is imperfect. But analog is also the pursuit of perfection as far as might be achieved by human ingenuity. That in itself has value.

Same goes for artworks painted by hand. Digital pieces are an expression of self, but there are limits to expression using colored pixels. We exist in a world where we have 5 (some say more) senses and digital is only able to simulate a select few of those. Touch is neglected, as is our ability to perceive real depth and the play of light.

And as far as EVs go, they still lack the art that goes into perverting a block of metal into a complicated, precision engineered machine that turns fossil fuel into rotational force. I see there still being a collector's market for ludicrously overpriced limited edition garage queens going forward. EVs lack soul. They are glorified appliances. But they do their job oh so well.

 

[manics]

for me if i am getting a new or 2nd hand car, the EV consideration would be
1. available charging points at my convenient time/convenient location
2. availability of spare parts with little waiting or downtime
3. easy availability of 3rd party car workshops to fix the EV car

i own a JDM PI car which is not common in SIngapore so these are my pain points when i get my car repaired for wear/tear components.

 

[Ethan_]

Even in tier 3/tier 4 China province, most of the new car registrants are EV.

Garage there huat ah.
They don't earn from the change of engine oil which are so troublesome to earn so little,nor batteries. They earn alot from Tyre replacement, a cost that people did not expect. The Tyres wear out twice as fast. I know garage owners there.

Erm, think need to take CN out of the equation and look at the rest of the world instead. Think CN is more like the state pushed for the changes. Not really that accurate relfection of the market. The rest of the world where people don't have such state presence, think the adoption rate not as high.

Obviously EV have its own set of problems also, that much of the world not so eager to adopt yet. Think CN is more of a manipulated market which skewed the numbers. Cannot be taken for actual reference.

And if not wrong, think got saw the mention that CN have the scandal where alot of the new EVs are sold to dealer own people and then resold as zero mileage 2nd hand car in the used car market. Perhaps just to push up the new car sales figures.

Think they have quite some ghost carpark also (like their ghost cities), where they park a large number of new EVs. Perhaps waiting to be resold as used car. And think got saw quite some on social media mentioned their accident on EVs alot like hush hush cover up affair (not sure how much to believe).

So, not really sure what to make of the safety aspect also. What is what. Thus, all together, not sure what to believe in CN market. At least should know to take it with a pinch of salt, not to take CN news literally.

But yeah, got saw another (think is local) video on social media mentioned. Seems like EV generally are much more heavier than ICE car. So, the tires use need to be of higher quality (thus more expensive) than normal, for better safety perhaps. And the wear is faster due to the weight and torque.

Thus, the more frequent and higher cost on tires for EV. Although save on oil change compare to an ICE car. Therefore, user have to weight their own pros and cons.

 

[DragonFire]

for me if i am getting a new or 2nd hand car, the ev consideration would be
1. available charging points at my convenient time/convenient location
2. availability of spare parts with little waiting or downtime
3. easy availability of 3rd party car workshops to fix the car

i own a JDM PI car which is not common in SIngapore so these are my pain points when i get my car repaired for wear/tear components.

I would say that #3 is the primary pain point. No 3rd party workshops can reliably service EVs since the main drive components are proprietary to each manufacturer. Only common wear components can be replaced. Anything involving the drive or battery will require manufacturer linked shops. EVs are an appliance. When an appliance fails, you go back to the manufacturer not a 3rd party.

#2 is about risk management. Avoid manufacturers with smaller market bases. Big behemoths like Tesla and BYD are the safest bet. Second tier would be companies with major backing e.g. Geely sub-brands, SAIC.
Hyundai/Kia sits between the two somewhere because they were one of the original full EV backers.

 

[Shion]

my guess is these haters are heavily invested in Exxon, Chevron, BP etc...

 

[SecretAgent]

I getting out my popcorns

 

[DragonFire]

I getting out my popcorns

Filling frunk and trunk with unpopped kernels nao.

 

[xcodes]

The other day got fellow edmwer shown in SGRV

can share?

 

[SecretAgent]

This. EVs use the same high-performance tires as heavy conti cars. $300-400 a piece. Many don't realize what it takes to keep a 2.5 ton car on the road. Undisciplined application of torque and brakes just makes em wear out even faster.

I'm taking delivery of my new Chinese EV next week. Already installed a 22kw charge point.

Wah! Got install 22kwh own charger! Got 3phase one!

Lihai!

 

[Multiversal]

I would argue that analog has its charm. You mention watches.

I believe that artisan grade mechanisms that come out of Geneva and Glashutte will always be valued for their permanence and tangibility over quartz timed electrons whizzing about a silicon core. Analog is less precise. Analog is imperfect. But analog is also the pursuit of perfection as far as might be achieved by human ingenuity. That in itself has value.

Same goes for artworks painted by hand. Digital pieces are an expression of self, but there are limits to expression using colored pixels. We exist in a world where we have 5 (some say more) senses and digital is only able to simulate a select few of those. Touch is neglected, as is our ability to perceive real depth and the play of light.

And as far as EVs go, they still lack the art that goes into perverting a block of metal into a complicated, precision engineered machine that turns fossil fuel into rotational force. I see there still being a collector's market for ludicrously overpriced limited edition garage queens going forward. EVs lack soul. They are glorified appliances. But they do their job oh so well.

Soul? If you want soul, ride a horse. The British still have horse riders dressed in 18th century costumes horse marching around Buckingham Palace.

Still horses and horse carriages eventually ceded the road, known in Chinese as 马路 or horse road, to motor vehicle.

Half of all vehicles in China are EVs. Tesla is losing ground to Chinese EVs like BYD in Europe but whichever wins, it's just another EV.

You can, as an EV hater, say all you want about how bad it is, we have heard them all, but the transformation is clearly unstoppable and there's no turning back.

The proliferation of PMA is yet another example of how electricity facilitated big changes. The same people who could have used a mechanical wheelchair didn't, while now they are seen in practically all HDB estates with a mobot or its rivals.

The watch industry and sadly, those who have paid a pinkie for their automatic watches are trying to hype up their imprecise time keeper that's expensive to service. And the reason?

Typing on Microsoft Word, make a typo error? No problem. Just do a backspace or use the mouse to click on the word, and type the correct spelling.If you use spell check which most people do, just select the suggested word. Once done, print the document out with a laser printer and it's perfect. Need 3 copies? Just select 3, and you have 3 identical copies.

But Noooo! A retired 95 year old Pioneer Generation confidential secretary will have none of it. She swears by her trusty Olivetti manual (no electricity required) typewriter where carbon papers are used to type multiple copies. The sound of each strike landing on paper and the skilful fingers working in perfect coordination with the eyes that read shorthand (hers) was an art which must be preserved. And of course she is wearing a Rolex that says 9.15, just 9.15, while a smartphone says 9:16:22 with a AM as well