Will minimum wage laws work here?

Should there be a minimum wage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 62 50.0%
  • No minimum wage

    Votes: 62 50.0%

  • Total voters
    124

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it hurts the least productive workers (say bottom 1%) while benefiting the more productive workers producing just above the min wage. our bottom 20% is already seeing a 40% real income growth.


He sure those higher productive low wage worker will get head hunted by other company? U ever see a cleaner head hunted?

Even though it might result less productive low wage workers unemployed. At least these group are identified and garment should be helping these ppl to upskill with practical usage to be more productive. So they can be employed back. Garment now just throw skill futures blindly and think it helps. Only for ppl to take advantage of it.

If garment don't control FW inflows, coys will just fire all sinkies and turn to cheaper FW.
 

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He sure those higher productive low wage worker will get head hunted by other company? U ever see a cleaner head hunted?

Even though it might result less productive low wage workers unemployed. At least these group are identified and garment should be helping these ppl to upskill with practical usage to be more productive. So they can be employed back. Garment now just throw skill futures blindly and think it helps. Only for ppl to take advantage of it.

If garment don't control FW inflows, coys will just fire all sinkies and turn to cheaper FW.

If Cheaper FW can do your job, you know its time to upgrade or move to another industry.
 

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As topic title

Why you post here if you want to understand IB, you should go confront them at their FB page, same for IB, all hiding in their own FB page and not daring to come out and debate with alternative voice. Funny topic.

From my experience usually Pappies(usually english speaking boomers, who rarely debates sensitive topics as well) see the min wage system as a destructive system that could potentially scare investor away as it result in expensive labor. Almost like the scheme designer is of an extremist without the slightest ability to reason. Then they will try to pull in not-doing-well countries with the min wage scheme like USA as example, highlighting their unemployment/poverty rate etc.

Usually they always try to reason with 'look at how others', 'look at why others', 'look at other this and that', therefore it is right we do this instead and dont be like them. The 'others' are usually negative examples to refer to, and rarely positive examples to learn from. The only entity with any thing positive, worth learning is their masters
 
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last election these bunch of jokers screws up badly until their paymaster almost ask them go home sleep better
 

runicz

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By now all IB tio retrench oredi.

No sound from them.

:s13:

IB discussion going hotest ever since GE2020. They were expecting a opposition wipeout cus of the uncertainty about covid19. And they are going extreme, responding the Ge2020 result. You so wrong. lol

You obviously were never in a pro PAP discussion site before.
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Only field marshal get a nmp role + higher pay, the rest is 50¢ per post. But maybe after the the bad election + covid pay might go down
 

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support wages that align with money printing inflation. Supply and demand is ******** when printing rob your wealth, while rich hedge on property which is part of human basic needs. Soon you need work 100 years to pay a house. and people never wonder why such policy is becoming popular.
 

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Ask famous jamus rah... :s13:

I know he is getting attacked recently at PAPies FB page.

Typical things associated with him: Liar, Dishonesty, Cheat, Corrupt.

TCB also as a power hungered greedy old man. :eek:

Almost like these 2 men are guilty of destroying Singapore. Fixing them seems very justified at this point of time.
Jamus latest insta post is about him getting attacked on the internet btw for his min wage proposal.
 
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Saddening story of 82 y/o elderly lends weight to Jamus Lim’s call on minimum wage

The Workers’ Party (WP) elected Member of Parliament (MP) Jamus Lim earlier said in a political debate on 1 July that the Government should ensure that those who have been contributing to the nation’s economy and society for years are being taken care of, as this is a “very big part of social mobility”.

“We absolutely need to take care of our elderly that live among us. It is really a crime that we see the elderly, continue to feel that they have to work in order to make ends meet,” he said.

Dr Lim also highlighted the importance of minimum wage which he believes can bring Singapore towards greater social mobility. He further reiterated his point on Facebook on 14 July, noting that minimum wage is “not unabashedly good policy”, but rather a “good start that is also evidence-based”.

“I see this as a feature, not a bug. The point is to redistribute some bargaining power from capital to labor, and I think we can afford to chip in a little to take care of the least well-off in society. With many more buyers than min wage workers, the price effect will be small,” he remarked.

Dr Lim added that he disagrees with some people who said that the Progressive Wage Model (PWM) is a minimum wage, as he believes that the “PWM ties wages to job function” and this gives a lot of space for employers to cut corners, without redressing power differentials.

“It also leaves those who simply cannot upskill in the lurch, and earning below a living wage. The reality is that, by our estimates, 100,000 workers remain below the min wage, and so PWM is obviously not working for these people,” said the economics professor.

Based on the Ministry of Manpower, PWM “helps to uplift” low-wage Singaporeans and permanent resident workers who are working in sectors like cleaning, security and landscaping.

Meanwhile, Dr Lim’s point about the PWM seems to resonate well with the story of an 82-year-old lady, who claimed that she only earns S$20 per day working as a cleaner and dishwasher at a hawker centre situated in Tampines Hub.

The story was shared by Facebook user Meng Shuen Koh, who posted on Facebook on Monday (27 July) a series of screenshots from his Instagram story.

The FB user wrote that while he was heading to the city via MRT, an old lady who was carrying a “bulky bag” beside him tapped him on the shoulder and asked him how to go to Sentosa from Bedok.

He told her that she needs to disembark at Outram Park to change trains to Harbourfront, but he proceeded to accompany her to Outram Park as she seems hesitated.

“She apologised to me for troubling me, and I reassured her that it’s okay, because I wasn’t meeting anybody, and I wasn’t going to do anything important anyway,” he added.

The old lady, who was referred to as “Ah Umm”, shared to him that she is a Malaysian-born citizen and currently lives in Sembawang with her two friends. She claimed that she had no “formal schooling” and only can speak Chinese.

The FB user also discovered that the old lady’s husband has passed away many years ago, while her only son died during a “heli-rappeling” exercise with the Commandos a “long time ago”.

She claimed that the Government has promised to give compensation for her late son’s death – with S$300 per month – but up until now, she has never even received “one cent” from the Government.

“Now national day coming, they ask us hang the flag. I don’t want to hang. Hang for what? My son died for this flag. This flag also never help me. How to don’t work? I will starve to death,” the old lady told him.

When he asked her why she was heading to Sentosa, the old lady explained that her friend told her about a job there that pays S$10 per hour to wash dishes. She works as a cleaner and dishwasher at Tampines Hub, and earning only S$5 per hour.

Aside from her hourly salary, the old lady was given with no free meals, nor transportation allowance from the place that she currently works at. She added, “Eat lunch, eat dinner already $5, already one hour of work gone. Left $15, sometimes don’t eat better I think”.

She also revealed to him that she has had four major heart surgeries, in which each surgery would cost her about S$40,000. He asked her how she could afford to pay the surgeries fees, she told him that she had to sell her house “to not die”.

He said that he tried to hand S$2 to the old lady for her bus rides as they reached the VivoCity bus station. But she refused to take his money.

The old lady said to him, “I cannot take your money, I have my own money, I got work I have my own money”.

Upon hearing her story, he realized that regardless of her age and how her life was messed up by the nation’s system, the old lady still wants to “work more” and not even complaining to her boss about her low salary.

He then questioned Singapore’s minimum wage model, saying that “nobody should be working menial labour for S$5 per hour”. He also mentioned about the first job he took when he was 16 years old, he was paid S$5.50 an hour at Subway but he didn’t expect such salary still exist after 10 years.

“People always ask, ‘how will we pay for minimum wage?’ But people never ask, ‘who will end up paying the price if we don’t pay for minimum wage, and how will they pay?

“People like Ah Umm pay. They pay with their house. With their life. With their sweat, and their tears (she cried a few times when she talked to me about her son, her house, her surgeries),” he added.

He noted that the ruling party People’s Action Party (PAP) has asked for a strong mandate to govern Singapore and assured Singaporeans that its progressive wage model works. But after 50 years of the PAP’s mandate, there are still 100,000 workers remain below minimum wage.

“Meanwhile Goh Chok Tong and Edwin Tong say they’re not paid enough as ministers. Tan Chuan-Jin says some old people who collect cardboard to sell do it as a form of exercise,” he added.

He went on to advise Singaporeans who vote for the PAP to remember those people who are also struggling to make ends meet like the old lady, noting that the future of Singapore is “more than just your future”.

“I haven’t celebrated National Day for many years. This year will be no different. I see nothing worth celebrating,” he asserted.

At the end of his Instagram story, the FB user remarked, “no public servant in Singapore deserves to be paid S$1 million per year.”

https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2020/07/28/saddening-story-of-82-y-o-lady-who-earns-s20-per-day-as-cleaner-and-dishwasher-sold-her-house-to-not-die/
 

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Thought the guy asked the website to take down the story liao?

Story still there ar?
 
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