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[PetiaC]

I went to the DW and SBLM websites to have a detailed look at the catalog.

Both have same categories, similar cement construction, and even exactly same model of shoes.

Notice the DW sole and the SBLM sole are exactly the same, have the word SEOUL and the sizing printed in the same location, except the DW sole do not have the word SBLM on it.

With the above I say I am quite sure these 2 companies are selling the same shoes except with different labeling. Which is perfectly fine to me, eg Brooks Brothers and PRL sell shoes made by other shoemaker and call it their own.

However I am quite uncomfortable with the use of the term "Bespoke" as mentioned by others, the level of customization is like a MTO or Custom Order depending on how much level of customisation possible rather than a bespoke service, if you compare with other shoemakers in the industry. Call a spade a spade.

I for sure do not have any vested interest in promoting any shoe brand, I am just a lowly shoeshine uncle. I do not discriminate any brand of shoe I am asked to shine.

Seannie was flamed not because simply he bought a pair of DW but he was behaving like a prick across several threads. Just giving my honest opinion here, nothing against Seannie although he renegade on his promise of giving me a pack of MOP buttons for my shirts

 

[alan_smithee]

Anyway update on Ed Primaute line, they are all width E. So if you've got wide feet, you've been warned.

Agree. Size 44 on Ed's previous last fit my feet very well. When I tried the new collection, it is a bit tight.. my little toe is slightly pressing against the side of the shoe. Although it is wearable, I have concerns that wearing it over long period might cause my toes to hurt. I have to try a size larger to accommodate the new last but somehow it does not feel right for me (too bad there is no 1/2 size). Anyway, as a result, I hold off buying a pair.

 

[Carnage]

However I am quite uncomfortable with the use of the term "Bespoke" as mentioned by others, the level of customization is like a MTO or Custom Order depending on how much level of customisation possible rather than a bespoke service, if you compare with other shoemakers in the industry. Call a spade a spade.

If you went to google Diamond Walker, you will realise there are huge amounts of web pages and bloggers also touting their services as bespoke. Seems like people really can't differentiate between customs and bespoke.

 

[runforyourlife]

Viccel Natural Quality

There's a 20% off discount code. They're very comfortable too.

Thanks bro can pm e disc code¿ hmmm what colors to match with cognac shoes? ps first time wearing nonblack. super noob

 

[boysdontcryy]

Thanks bro can pm e disc code¿ hmmm what colors to match with cognac shoes? ps first time wearing nonblack. super noob

Match the colour of your trousers. You won't go wrong with dark colours like green, brown and navy that I'd wear if I had to attend a serious meeting. I personally prefer brighter socks that provide a hint of colour. You know, there's this saying that socks are to men what lingerie are to women ... so ...

I usually try to match, or at least, harmonize the colours of my socks with the colour of another secondary item I'm wearing, like my tie or PS, or shoes, or trousers.

Here I harmonize it with the shoes:



And below, with my tie:

 

[Carnage]

You're the 2nd person I know who wear pink socks with dress shoes.

I always stick to black or navy. And all my dress shoes are brown so...

 

[boysdontcryy]

You're the 2nd person I know who wear pink socks with dress shoes.

I always stick to black or navy. And all my dress shoes are brown so...

Heh. I dress so 'formally', and in such a somber way already ... need some colour to add some spice, you know ... and besides, the ladies like them. No joke. They always marvel at the colours of my socks, and if they're happy ...

 

[archangle13]

I went to the DW and SBLM websites to have a detailed look at the catalog.

Both have same categories, similar cement construction, and even exactly same model of shoes.

Notice the DW sole and the SBLM sole are exactly the same, have the word SEOUL and the sizing printed in the same location, except the DW sole do not have the word SBLM on it.

With the above I say I am quite sure these 2 companies are selling the same shoes except with different labeling. Which is perfectly fine to me, eg Brooks Brothers and PRL sell shoes made by other shoemaker and call it their own.

However I am quite uncomfortable with the use of the term "Bespoke" as mentioned by others, the level of customization is like a MTO or Custom Order depending on how much level of customisation possible rather than a bespoke service, if you compare with other shoemakers in the industry. Call a spade a spade.

I for sure do not have any vested interest in promoting any shoe brand, I am just a lowly shoeshine uncle. I do not discriminate any brand of shoe I am asked to shine.

Seannie was flamed not because simply he bought a pair of DW but he was behaving like a prick across several threads. Just giving my honest opinion here, nothing against Seannie although he renegade on his promise of giving me a pack of MOP buttons for my shirts

That post by Conrad of DW is an epic fail by PR standards. Reading that "the interest against our brand is so strong" made me LOL...

Among the other shoe brands discussed here, DW may not rank highly in terms of construction. But people may prefer DW for the design (subjective), which is perfectly fine. However, bombarding us with gimmicks about the subjective 'strengths' of DW shoes is helluva annoying.

Made in Seoul means fashionable? "Comfortable shoes are ugly-looking"?!?! "At a pricepoint which is pretty sweet"?! Bespoke?? "We are just arguing over semantics and is up to an individual's interpretation"?!?!

For that last point, ever heard of false advertising? Lawsuits have been filed against companies that screw around with these terms. Last I heard, there was one last year against a Savile Row 'bespoke tailor'.

We are not idiots, or children who wooo and aaah at every shiny object. Try reading about reactance.

So far, the arguments have been directed at the individuals vouching for the brand, not the brand itself.

Wanted to drop by to check the shoes out in the flesh, now I'm not sure if I should even bother.

 

[archangle13]

Match the colour of your trousers. You won't go wrong with dark colours like green, brown and navy that I'd wear if I had to attend a serious meeting. I personally prefer brighter socks that provide a hint of colour. You know, there's this saying that socks are to men what lingerie are to women ... so ...

I usually try to match, or at least, harmonize the colours of my socks with the colour of another secondary item I'm wearing, like my tie or PS, or shoes, or trousers.

Here I harmonize it with the shoes:



And below, with my tie:

Those shoes have a ridiculous patina on them. What are those?

 

[boysdontcryy]

Those shoes have a ridiculous patina on them. What are those?

Eh. I actually 'coloured' them myself. Not that difficult tbh. I picked it up after picking the brains of the guys at Cleverley's in London.

Posted this a while ago I think.

Original colour:





After I shined, polished, and 'patinated' them in my amateur-ish way:

 

[josephkjc]

hello what is the site to get these socks yea?

Viccel Natural Quality

Bad reviews? Tbh, there'll always be bad reviews but I always consider the frequency of it. I use the winter weight, over-the-cuff. Shipping is free. I don't stuff them in a washing machine btw. I dump there all into a soapy pail of water, and then hang them out after getting rid of the soapy water a couple days later.

Is there minimum order for Viccel? Thought of getting 2 pairs of different thickness to try first.
The bi-Color series looks nice too. But it's heavy winter weight so I am concerned that it might be hot and uncomfortable in Singapore weather

 

[boysdontcryy]

Viccel Natural Quality



Is there minimum order for Viccel? Thought of getting 2 pairs of different thickness to try first.
The bi-Color series looks nice too. But it's heavy winter weight so I am concerned that it might be hot and uncomfortable in Singapore weather

No minimum. Their winter weight is perfect for Singapore. Trust me. Their summer weight is too light and prone to snags.

Edit: Wait, this is the ultra heavy one, or the winter weight? My winter weight is thinner than Uniqlo socks, or Happy socks.

 

[Seannie]

I for sure do not have any vested interest in promoting any shoe brand, I am just a lowly shoeshine uncle. I do not discriminate any brand of shoe I am asked to shine.

Seannie was flamed not because simply he bought a pair of DW but he was behaving like a prick across several threads. Just giving my honest opinion here, nothing against Seannie although he renegade on his promise of giving me a pack of MOP buttons for my shirts

My prick very small only no impact unlike uncles here. By the way, forgive me for my behaviour taking into account i am still pretty young & inexperienced in the way of the world. Maybe there are misunderstandings in the way i bring across my ideas. But honestly, shoes are just shoes, shirts are just shirts, i find that there is no need to be so particular to the finest details. Is there any sense to argue over such detailed phrases like MTO or MTM or bespoke? Over to the subject of tailoring, if RTW shirts are good enough in this modern world, is there such a dire need to hold on so firmly to the traditional tailoring? Just expressing opinions here, so there is no need to attack. Your pack of MOP buttons is meant as a sarcasm. RTW shirts doing fine for me. My shirt size is the average man on the street, not overly fat or thin. My opinion is that if you have a huge size, you can just buy a larger shirt to wear and it wouldnt make you uncomfortable. But for shoes, you cannot buy a larger pair of shoe to accomodate your feet. You have to customize in order to walk comfortably. If the shoe too big, you will have trouble walking and may trip on the road, shoe too small you will feel pain, blisters, corns. But what of shirts? If your shirts too big, will you fall out of them? If shirts too tight, do you feel as much pain as your feet? My words make any sense? That is the reason why i made a customised DW but instead choose not to tailor my shirts anymore. By the way, you should realise i dont go to tailoring thread anymore. I did apologise, kept my word and disappeared over there. I wouldnt even want to step into this thread again if i havent seen positive posts on DW. And i can say that i am lucky to have made the correct pair of shoes. I am not a shoe snob. A good looking pair of comfy shoes is good enough for a lowly peasant like me, nevermind if it cant last 10 or 20 years like some say theirs can.

 

[J.T.M.]

My prick very small only no impact unlike uncles here. By the way, forgive me for my behaviour taking into account i am still pretty young & inexperienced in the way of the world. Maybe there are misunderstandings in the way i bring across my ideas. But honestly, shoes are just shoes, shirts are just shirts, i find that there is no need to be so particular to the finest details. Is there any sense to argue over such detailed phrases like MTO or MTM or bespoke? Over to the subject of tailoring, if RTW shirts are good enough in this modern world, is there such a dire need to hold on so firmly to the traditional tailoring? Just expressing opinions here, so there is no need to attack. Your pack of MOP buttons is meant as a sarcasm. RTW shirts doing fine for me. My shirt size is the average man on the street, not overly fat or thin. My opinion is that if you have a huge size, you can just buy a larger shirt to wear and it wouldnt make you uncomfortable. But for shoes, you cannot buy a larger pair of shoe to accomodate your feet. You have to customize in order to walk comfortably. If the shoe too big, you will have trouble walking and may trip on the road, shoe too small you will feel pain, blisters, corns. But what of shirts? If your shirts too big, will you fall out of them? If shirts too tight, do you feel as much pain as your feet? My words make any sense? That is the reason why i made a customised DW but instead choose not to tailor my shirts anymore. By the way, you should realise i dont go to tailoring thread anymore. I did apologise, kept my word and disappeared over there. I wouldnt even want to step into this thread again if i havent seen positive posts on DW. And i can say that i am lucky to have made the correct pair of shoes. I am not a shoe snob. A good looking pair of comfy shoes is good enough for a lowly peasant like me, nevermind if it cant last 10 or 20 years like some say theirs can.

People argue over the terms bespoke, MTM etc because people appreciate the handwork which is a craft. And also because alot of tailors abuse these terms which do not do justice to artisans who have spent years to hone their craft only to be undermined by so-called tailors who promised bespoke only to send their production to sweat shops in batam.

And if you can afford DW, I really dont see how you can be a lowly peasant. Just saying.

 

[runforyourlife]

viccel socks, how long will it take ar? order 2 , one summer one winter to try

 

[Seannie]

People argue over the terms bespoke, MTM etc because people appreciate the handwork which is a craft. And also because alot of tailors abuse these terms which do not do justice to artisans who have spent years to hone their craft only to be undermined by so-called tailors who promised bespoke only to send their production to sweat shops in batam.

And if you can afford DW, I really dont see how you can be a lowly peasant. Just saying.

Honest I really cant afford DW based on my below national average salary. I got to make sacrifices, inconvenient to say here. But main reason why i bought my first pair of customised shoes at DW is becos, 1) I like their Customer Service and so decided to try out on impulse (I didnt plan on getting a pair of custom shoe) and also my old shoe is torn i have to get a new pair fast & i so happen passby theor shop becos my office is nearby china sqaure 2) I like their shiny & unique design 3) The type of shoes i have been wearing for the past 10 yrs or so ever since i started working are so dull & boring i dont feel motivated to buy them again.

Yes, appreciating fine art or skill is very atas but no need to argue over the terms used waht. I find it extremely ugly behaviour and ungentlemanly. For people who really appreciate finer things in life like good crafted shoes shouldnt be attacking things which they think is "unfine". They can say good things about the brands they like but criticising other brands so vehemently just made them look bad.

 

[archangle13]

No minimum. Their winter weight is perfect for Singapore. Trust me. Their summer weight is too light and prone to snags.

Edit: Wait, this is the ultra heavy one, or the winter weight? My winter weight is thinner than Uniqlo socks, or Happy socks.

I am sure I can find out through the website, but better just to ask you.

So it is free shipping for Viccel socks regardless of quantity and destination? Do the socks cover the entire calf? Can you post pictures to show how far they extend, please? You tried winter and heavy winter weight, and found winter weight better? Is washing these socks with a washing machine a problem? How are Uniqlo socks, and what range do you recommend?

Are there other online socks recommendations from other forums, like SF?

 

[boysdontcryy]

I tried all -- received the heavy weight one for free 'cause there was some promo. I really wldnt advise the summer weight pair. It's thinner than normal dress socks and probably suitable for people in sub-Saharan Africa (kidding). Thin is fine, but it's also infinitely more delicate.

I have zero clue about laundry, unfortunately. I usually tell the domestic helper how to launder them. I think if you put the socks in a laundry bag in the washing machine, it should be fine. Probably don't spin dry the socks.

They're sized too.

Shipping takes, in my XP, two weeks.

Uniqlo socks suck. I gave them all away. A couple from Muji are good. Japanese ...

I wear socks by Gamarelli (that I bought for really cheap in Rome. They're worn by the clergy). Brescani socks, Sozzi socks, Pantherellas. Have a couple Paul Smiths that suck 'cause of the poor elastic too. That's about it. I could probably get Sozzi socks for cheaper if I can find 4-5 interested in S, M, and L each, per colour. They're decently priced too, and made in Italy. Honestly, without a grp discount, or if you're not buying socks on sale, Viccel is a good starting point.

Sozzi socks -- http://www.sozzicalze.it/shop.do?id=2
Mrporter has Brescani but they're expensive.
Exquisite Trimmings has some.
Berg & Berg has Brescani too.

If one wants to buy, it might be helpful to pool orders to save on shipping.

Can somebody redirect this to The Accessories thread? Might be helpful to others looking for socks in future. Might be hard to ferret this out amidst the unending posts on shoes. Lol

 

[archangle13]

I tried all -- received the heavy weight one for free 'cause there was some promo. I really wldnt advise the summer weight pair. It's thinner than normal dress socks and probably suitable for people in sub-Saharan Africa (kidding). Thin is fine, but it's also infinitely more delicate.

I have zero clue about laundry, unfortunately. I usually tell the domestic helper how to launder them. I think if you put the socks in a laundry bag in the washing machine, it should be fine. Probably don't spin dry the socks.

They're sized too.

Shipping takes, in my XP, two weeks.

Uniqlo socks suck. I gave them all away. A couple from Muji are good. Japanese ...

I wear socks by Gamarelli (that I bought for really cheap in Rome. They're worn by the clergy). Brescani socks, Sozzi socks, Pantherellas. Have a couple Paul Smiths that suck 'cause of the poor elastic too. That's about it. I could probably get Sozzi socks for cheaper if I can find 4-5 interested in S, M, and L each, per colour. They're decently priced too, and made in Italy. Honestly, without a grp discount, or if you're not buying socks on sale, Viccel is a good starting point.

Sozzi socks -- Sozzi Calze
Mrporter has Brescani but they're expensive.
Exquisite Trimmings has some.
Berg & Berg has Brescani too.

If one wants to buy, it might be helpful to pool orders to save on shipping.

Can somebody redirect this to The Accessories thread? Might be helpful to others looking for socks in future. Might be hard to ferret this out amidst the unending posts on shoes. Lol

I'll try out Viccel first, thanks.

How does the sizing work? TTS?

I'm planning to use the Jap sizing using feet measurements in cm. The conversion to US or UK sizing is pretty weird though. Which scale is accurate?

 

[PetiaC]

My prick very small only no impact unlike uncles here. By the way, forgive me for my behaviour taking into account i am still pretty young & inexperienced in the way of the world. Maybe there are misunderstandings in the way i bring across my ideas. But honestly, shoes are just shoes, shirts are just shirts, i find that there is no need to be so particular to the finest details. Is there any sense to argue over such detailed phrases like MTO or MTM or bespoke? Over to the subject of tailoring, if RTW shirts are good enough in this modern world, is there such a dire need to hold on so firmly to the traditional tailoring? Just expressing opinions here, so there is no need to attack. Your pack of MOP buttons is meant as a sarcasm. RTW shirts doing fine for me. My shirt size is the average man on the street, not overly fat or thin. My opinion is that if you have a huge size, you can just buy a larger shirt to wear and it wouldnt make you uncomfortable. But for shoes, you cannot buy a larger pair of shoe to accomodate your feet. You have to customize in order to walk comfortably. If the shoe too big, you will have trouble walking and may trip on the road, shoe too small you will feel pain, blisters, corns. But what of shirts? If your shirts too big, will you fall out of them? If shirts too tight, do you feel as much pain as your feet? My words make any sense? That is the reason why i made a customised DW but instead choose not to tailor my shirts anymore. By the way, you should realise i dont go to tailoring thread anymore. I did apologise, kept my word and disappeared over there. I wouldnt even want to step into this thread again if i havent seen positive posts on DW. And i can say that i am lucky to have made the correct pair of shoes. I am not a shoe snob. A good looking pair of comfy shoes is good enough for a lowly peasant like me, nevermind if it cant last 10 or 20 years like some say theirs can.

Relax lah just joking with you.