5GbE and beyond ethernet adapters

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Hi....happen to see your post while researching for a good 10Gbpe NIC.
VQ asked me to upgrade to 10Gbps plan and i am considering it and building a new rig at the same time

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I have a couple questions which I need advice from experts here as very long never build a rig and i am out of touch with the PC scene.

1) I dont see any tb/aliexpress links for 10Gbpe PCI adaptor. Could anyone recommend me a good adaptor pls? Also should i be considering SFP+ since i see this term being used.
2) Will the fans above provide sufficient airflow?

Whether to go RJ45 or SFP+, this has to been taken in consideration with the bigger picture of what you are going to use it with. Main concern will be what is the existing wiring, what type of switch/router (if any) that you intend to use.

5G and below, there is no question, you will be using RJ45.
From 10G onwards, there are very good reason to use SFP+, heat and latency are the main ones.

To be clear SFP+ is a socket that allows you to use a few different types of SFP+ modules :
1) DAC uses very low power of ~0.1W, but is limited to around 7 meters, this includes 2 SFP+ modules and the cable in a single package, and is preferred if it works for you. (There is active DAC 0.5W for 7-10m)
2) Longer than that you can use MM or SM SFP+ modules, along with the matching fiber optic cable. This is <1W, latency of 300ns.
3) You can also use 10GBase-T RJ45 type SFP+ module, but these are expensive and hot (~1.8 to 3W) with latency of 2.6ms. In a PC I can't think of any good reason to use a SFP+ NIC with a 10GBase-T RJ45 module, you might as well get a 10GBase-T RJ45 10G card right away, other than perhaps to stay flexible.

When people say 10G is hot, they are usually referring to 10GBase-T RJ45 10G setup. Heat from DAC & Fiber optic SFP+ is minimum. But even then it is like 3W per 10G RJ45, which is nothing compare to graphics card.
On gaming rig generally you do not need to be concern about heat from 10G NICs.
It is on the tiny PC/switch or when you have high concentrations that the heat becomes a concern, and even then DAC/SPF+ optics are fine, just avoid the RJ45 version.

If you really must use 10GBase-T RJ45 SPF+, note that the typical ones are the 30m version. There are 80m & 100m versions, which cost quite a bit more, but often consume lower power (not always).
 

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This thread is about 10Gbe and above.

But for those who want to go with 5Gbe, you do not have many choices. Here is the collection.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...home-networking.6653421/page-6#post-153892331

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1. RealTek RTL8126 5Gbps Ethernet PCIe and M.2 adapters are available, from vendors like IOCrest and GRiS.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/06/18/realtek-rtl8126-5gbps-ethernet-pcie-and-m-2-adapters/

Example product from IOCrest. I have the PCI-E version and it works fine. The good thing is that it is of low power and only need PCI-E x1 slot.
http://www.iocrest.com/index.php?id=2413
http://www.iocrest.com/index.php?id=2410

2. For USB to 5G NICs, last time there were a few more branded ones but they seem to be EOLed now.
https://www.servethehome.com/usb-3-1-gen1-to-5gbe-network-adapter-guide/

The WusdPi USB 3.2 to 5G NIC (RTL8157 chipset) is new and the price is quite reasonable at about US$35.
https://www.wisdpi.com/products/wis...atible-on-5g-2-5g-1g-100mbps-ideal-for-gaming
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And to make it worse, it is just as bad on the switch front, save for a handful of pricy multigig switch that goes from 1-10GbE
 

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wah need cooling for ethernet adaptor??

will there be a time where its not needed and can be as small as what have now in our laptop or desktop
From the ~3W for the 30M, the 80M version is around 2.5W, and 100M around 1.8W.
So there is improvement, but the price of the newer ones remain high and what is commonly seen is the old HOT ones.
 

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Whether to go RJ45 or SFP+, this has to been taken in consideration with the bigger picture of what you are going to use it with. Main concern will be what is the existing wiring, what type of switch/router (if any) that you intend to use.

5G and below, there is no question, you will be using RJ45.
From 10G onwards, there are very good reason to use SFP+, heat and latency are the main ones.

To be clear SFP+ is a socket that allows you to use a few different types of SFP+ modules :
1) DAC uses very low power of ~0.1W, but is limited to around 7 meters, this includes 2 SFP+ modules and the cable in a single package, and is preferred if it works for you. (There is active DAC 0.5W for 7-10m)
2) Longer than that you can use MM or SM SFP+ modules, along with the matching fiber optic cable. This is <1W, latency of 300ns.
3) You can also use 10GBase-T RJ45 type SFP+ module, but these are expensive and hot (~1.8 to 3W) with latency of 2.6ms. In a PC I can't think of any good reason to use a SFP+ NIC with a 10GBase-T RJ45 module, you might as well get a 10GBase-T RJ45 10G card right away, other than perhaps to stay flexible.

When people say 10G is hot, they are usually referring to 10GBase-T RJ45 10G setup. Heat from DAC & Fiber optic SFP+ is minimum. But even then it is like 3W per 10G RJ45, which is nothing compare to graphics card.
On gaming rig generally you do not need to be concern about heat from 10G NICs.
It is on the tiny PC/switch or when you have high concentrations that the heat becomes a concern, and even then DAC/SPF+ optics are fine, just avoid the RJ45 version.

If you really must use 10GBase-T RJ45 SPF+, note that the typical ones are the 30m version. There are 80m & 100m versions, which cost quite a bit more, but often consume lower power (not always).

@A7997A I am using existing Cat 6 cable which I assume is PoE capable?
I am also considering Netgear Orbi AX6000 mesh system for now as all the wifi ^e routers/mesh are too expensive. But from what you say, they wont be compatible if i am getting 10Gbpe NIC with SFP+?

Tbh, i dont understand half of what you are saying. Will need time to digest this and research on it and let an indie pc builder do my rig. :(
 

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@A7997A I am using existing Cat 6 cable which I assume is PoE capable?
I am also considering Netgear Orbi AX6000 mesh system for now as all the wifi ^e routers/mesh are too expensive. But from what you say, they wont be compatible if i am getting 10Gbpe NIC with SFP+?

Tbh, i dont understand half of what you are saying. Will need time to digest this and research on it and let an indie pc builder do my rig. :(
Cat6 cable is PoE capable assuming it is properly done, PoE works over even cat 5E.
If you want to use Cat6 cables then you would not be use SFP+.
SFP+ would only make sense if you use fiber optic cables or direct run DAC cables instead of Cat 6 cables.

Wow, that is a very expensive mesh system.
However from what I can find it has 1x 10Gbps WAN port and only 1Gbps LAN ports, which means that short of connecting directly to the ONT or changing your router, the most you can get is 1Gbps.

I really don't see the point of getting a 10Gbps NIC if you are sticking with this router.
If that is the constraint, then forget about 10Gbps NIC, and just use the onboard 2.5Gbps LAN port.
If you want to plan ahead, just keep a x4 (x8 preferred) PCIe slot free for future expansion of a 10Gbps NIC, which incidentally does not exist on that board you choose, only 2 x1 PCIe slot, which is useless if you want to use 10Gbps NIC.
Of course you can use the onboard graphics and use the x16 slot for the 10Gbps card, but looking at your build it appears to be a gaming rig, so that certainly doesn't make sense.

This is a key requirement if you want to have both a graphics card and a 10Gbps NIC, make sure you have a x4 or better slot on top of the x16 slot.

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Cat6 cable is PoE capable assuming it is properly done, PoE works over even cat 5E.
If you want to use Cat6 cables then you would not be use SFP+.
SFP+ would only make sense if you use fiber optic cables or direct run DAC cables instead of Cat 6 cables.

Wow, that is a very expensive mesh system.
However from what I can find it has 1x 10Gbps WAN port and only 1Gbps LAN ports, which means that short of connecting directly to the ONT or changing your router, the most you can get is 1Gbps.

I really don't see the point of getting a 10Gbps NIC if you are sticking with this router.
If that is the constraint, then forget about 10Gbps NIC, and just use the onboard 2.5Gbps LAN port.
If you want to plan ahead, just keep a x4 PCIe slot free for future expansion of a 10Gbps NIC, which incidentally does not exist on that board you choose, only 2 x1 PCIe slot, which is useless if you want to use 10Gbps NIC.

Of course you can use the onboard graphics and use the x16 slot for the 10Gbps card, but looking at your build it appears to be a gaming rig, so that certainly doesn't make sense.
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My router de sfp in use with cat6 cos its the only port that does 2.5GbE. Other 4 Lan are 1GbE and can team.

Agree the 863SB (?) very expensive but somehow weirdly paired. Why even the 10GbE wan port paired with 4x1GbEs really.

Maybe pure wireless mesh is the selling point, no WAN bottleneckm
 

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any updates on your testing?

I have ordered the same adapter, I am having troubles with stability running it on USB3.1/3.1 Gen2 ports on both windows and linux. MacOS no issues
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Download drivers here:
Type-C Multi Stream Transport (MST) Dock or Adapter
https://www.wavlink.com/en_us/drivers.html?keyword=wl-nwu340g

I received mine and have no issues with it after updating drivers. Using a type c 20gbps connector.
 

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Cat6 cable is PoE capable assuming it is properly done, PoE works over even cat 5E.
If you want to use Cat6 cables then you would not be use SFP+.
SFP+ would only make sense if you use fiber optic cables or direct run DAC cables instead of Cat 6 cables.

Wow, that is a very expensive mesh system.
However from what I can find it has 1x 10Gbps WAN port and only 1Gbps LAN ports, which means that short of connecting directly to the ONT or changing your router, the most you can get is 1Gbps.

I really don't see the point of getting a 10Gbps NIC if you are sticking with this router.
If that is the constraint, then forget about 10Gbps NIC, and just use the onboard 2.5Gbps LAN port.
If you want to plan ahead, just keep a x4 (x8 preferred) PCIe slot free for future expansion of a 10Gbps NIC, which incidentally does not exist on that board you choose, only 2 x1 PCIe slot, which is useless if you want to use 10Gbps NIC.
Of course you can use the onboard graphics and use the x16 slot for the 10Gbps card, but looking at your build it appears to be a gaming rig, so that certainly doesn't make sense.

This is a key requirement if you want to have both a graphics card and a 10Gbps NIC, make sure you have a x4 or better slot on top of the x16 slot.

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My apologies. I saw the Netgear factsheet wrongly. Thought the model has a 10Gbps LAN port. After further research on different brands and models I decided on ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 Pro as the main router next to ONT and AX-56U as secondary router to form a mesh wifi.

So basically, my option is the 10Gbpe RJ45 setup which will be pretty hot but not so hot as long as there are sufficient airflow in my new rig?

Would this be good option besides the tb links @xiaofan shared?
https://www.amazon.sg/TP-Link-10Gbp...959d213332b9fe9a53d4d2faefb&gad_source=1&th=1
 

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My apologies. I saw the Netgear factsheet wrongly. Thought the model has a 10Gbps LAN port. After further research on different brands and models I decided on ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 Pro as the main router next to ONT and AX-56U as secondary router to form a mesh wifi.

So basically, my option is the 10Gbpe RJ45 setup which will be pretty hot but not so hot as long as there are sufficient airflow in my new rig?

Would this be good option besides the tb links @xiaofan shared?
https://www.amazon.sg/TP-Link-10Gbp...959d213332b9fe9a53d4d2faefb&gad_source=1&th=1

ROG GT-AX11000 Pro is not a good option either as it has only single 10G LAN port. 10G capable wireless routers are not that cheap, especially from Asus.

10G capable routers with dual 10G ports Options here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-switch-rj45-version-no-sfp-ports.7072646/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...port-switch-and-vq-xgs-pon-onu-stick.7047645/

As for 10G NICs, as mentioned, TP-Link TX401 and Asus XG-C100C are popular options.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/high-power-adapter/tx401/
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-iot-servers/wired-networking/all-series/xg-c100c/

But in reality they are not good options since they are using Marvell chipset. You may get better lucks with Intel X540 or X550 based 10G NICs. You may have to get from Taobao, either new ones (more expensive) or second hand ones (Intel X540 based can be very cheap).

BTW, as mentioned by A7997A, your selection of motherboard is not correct. Please take note of following.
"This is a key requirement if you want to have both a graphics card and a 10Gbps NIC, make sure you have a x4 or better slot on top of the x16 slot".
 
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ROG GT-AX11000 Pro is not a good option either as it has only single 10G LAN port. 10G capable wireless routers are not that cheap, especially from Asus.

10G capable routers with dual 10G ports Options here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-switch-rj45-version-no-sfp-ports.7072646/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...port-switch-and-vq-xgs-pon-onu-stick.7047645/

As for 10G NICs, as mentioned, TP-Link TX401 and Asus XG-C100C are popular options.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/high-power-adapter/tx401/
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-iot-servers/wired-networking/all-series/xg-c100c/

But in reality they are not good options since they are using Marvell chipset. You may get better lucks with Intel X540 or X550 based 10G NICs. You may have to get from Taobao, either new ones (more expensive) or second hand ones (Intel X540 based can be very cheap).

But would ROG GT-AX11000 Pro be a good option for me if i just want to use it for 10G LAN port? It have a 2.5G port which can be configured for WAN. The people in my house are mostly tenants and assuming the router + AX56U achieve a theoretical 1.2Gbps speed, it should be good for them

I am not able to find any better options out there
 

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But would ROG GT-AX11000 Pro be a good option for me if i just want to use it for 10G LAN port? It have a 2.5G port which can be configured for WAN. The people in my house are mostly tenants and assuming the router + AX56U achieve a theoretical 1.2Gbps speed, it should be good for them

I am not able to find any better options out there

If your Internet plan is M1 2.5Gbps plan, then yes ROG GT-AX11000 Pro can be a good option.

If you want to go with 5Gbps or 10Gbps plan, then ROG GT-AX11000 Pro is not a good option.
 

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If your Internet plan is M1 2.5Gbps plan, then yes ROG GT-AX11000 Pro can be a good option.

If you want to go with 5Gbps or 10Gbps plan, then ROG GT-AX11000 Pro is not a good option.

Currently I am on VQ's 3Gbps plan but i was asked to upgrade to 10Gbps plan at no cost. I am considering this hence want to get new rig and router all at one shot

Edited: I just read a review on Asus Zen BQ16. Would it be good?
 
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Currently I am on VQ's 3Gbps plan but i was asked to upgrade to 10Gbps plan at no cost. I am considering this hence want to get new rig and router all at one shot

Edited: I just read a review on Asus Zen BQ16. Would it be good?

Yes, Asus ZenWiFI BQ16 is a good one for 10Gbps plan.
 

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does yours on the box just say 340G or 340G-A ?

WL-NWU340G Rev. A. For your issue, have you tried it with any other windows laptop etc? What do you mean by instability? For me, after system bootup, it takes about 1-2 seconds to initialise and then i am connected to LAN.

Not sure if it'll help but i'm running 13900k/ MSI Z790i Edge desktop, as well as 7840HS Lenovo Slim 7 laptop. Both works fine.
 

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WL-NWU340G Rev. A. For your issue, have you tried it with any other windows laptop etc? What do you mean by instability? For me, after system bootup, it takes about 1-2 seconds to initialise and then i am connected to LAN.

Not sure if it'll help but i'm running 13900k/ MSI Z790i Edge desktop, as well as 7840HS Lenovo Slim 7 laptop. Both works fine.


the adapter randomly disconnects or disconnects when conducting a speed test.

I tested with a Dell 7060 which has a usb-c 3.1 10gbps port as well as my desktop B450I with USB A to C adapter as my PC doesnt have a usb-c port .
 

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the adapter randomly disconnects or disconnects when conducting a speed test.

I tested with a Dell 7060 which has a usb-c 3.1 10gbps port as well as my desktop B450I with USB A to C adapter as my PC doesnt have a usb-c port .

Maybe power related issue.

I have two Comfast/Fenvi brand USB 3 to WiFi 7 adpters (both using Type A and not Type C) and some times they will also drop when carrying out SpeedTest.

Interestingly it is better if I use the USB extension dock from Comfast.

On the same Acer Swift 3 laptop (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU), no issues when I use the USB4 /TB4 port with my two USB 4 to 10G Network Adapters from IOcrest/GRiS, probably the USB4 /TB4 port can delivery more power.

Anyway, I am also buying the Wavelink USB 3 to 5G network adapter for testing purpose. Let's see how it performns on my system. I tend to believe it will work on my laptop's USB4/TB4 port.
 
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