7900 XTX or 4080 Super

[TanKianW]

Not necessarily. Nowadays, the skills needed to set up a home server only serve as a test of basic networking and infrastructure knowledge. In a professional setting, what truly matters is proficiency in cloud computing platforms like AWS, and curious individuals should focus their efforts there, challenge themselves to build projects on the cloud and also get certified.

Once an individual has established a foundational understanding of networking and infrastructure, it becomes crucial to shift focus toward learning how to leverage various cloud services. Cloud computing services are growing rapidly, with AWS alone offering over 200 services. Over the years, it has become much more complex.

While on-premises skills are still valuable, cloud computing platforms like AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud have become dominant in the IT industry. Many organizations are shifting from traditional on-premises infrastructure to hybrid/cloud for scalability, flexibility, and cost-effectiveness.

With the current trends and priorities in the IT industry, It's essential to learn application development and deployment, scripting, and automation of the OS environment, as well as networking and infrastructure, particularly in cloud environments.

What makes you think that I am implying building a homelab is more important than cloud computing or replacing cloud computing? I agree that a curious individual should not be just focusing on experimenting in a homelab but proficient in cloud services too. Like you said, a homelab is usually where they start and that is crucial. Most still stuck on home basic computing coz they have not even started experimenting or building a homelab, regardless of whether they are on a full scale rack mount server or just on a mini-pc. And I still think there should be a balance of both. What could be better when you can test your deployment locally before you try it on the cloud when you can? Anyway, what off-prem on the cloud is just another on-prem for some of the big players. You just got to know which side you serve.

The trend in recent years is moving to hybrid and though not all, but off the cloud due to the high and rising cost in cloud services and computing where large enterprise started to feel the pinch. So bigger players will start moving to their own servers instead of running the high cost cloud services. The initial pain will however be pretty great but cost savings may eventually work out for some. For start-ups, and most other enterprises, SaaS, the cloud services/computing still makes lots of sense.​

 

[CrispyPeddler]

so as compared with 7900xtx, will the DLSS, FG, RT from nvidia makes it a better choice? im thinking to upgrade my 1080ti. currently doing some comparison for cpu and gpu

 

[Phen8210]

so as compared with 7900xtx, will the DLSS, FG, RT from nvidia makes it a better choice? im thinking to upgrade my 1080ti. currently doing some comparison for cpu and gpu

Usually, people go for AMD and run their games natively because it makes no sense to pay the same price for Nvidia and run DLSS. If you are a big RT fan, obviously, you have no choice but to go to Nvidia.

 

[watzup_ken]

I think it really depends on your priority after reading all the comments above, and also reviews that are readily available. The strength of the Nvidia solution is mostly around the area of ray tracing and DLSS image quality, but you are compromising in terms of some hardware, like amount of VRAM. The other consideration will be price because I feel that RX 7900 XTX tends to be cheaper even though on paper, both have the same MSRP.

 

[KleoZy]

I guess I may be assuming more people or curious individuals who will look at building their homelab/home server with the current state of high speed connectivity, user friendliness applications and capable HW, than plainly a “gaming rig”.​

ar... some seriously needs it for work. I have a friend who uses nivida to do these. ar bo is to use it for Onimverse. Then some who are developers for AI but testing at home in small scale.

Spoiler: Done by a Digital Motion Designer

His profile https://www.behance.net/Roong

Samples
done with 4090
https://www.behance.net/gallery/163318213/BlueSG?tracking_source=project_owner_other_projects
https://www.behance.net/gallery/107910643/Aftershock-Animation

done with 3000 Series card

Yalor, those I can understand why getting a 4090. but for gamers, I think up to 4080s ok liao.. if want RT, ar bo those don't care about RT (it's just a previllage) can just whack 7900XT or even 7900XTX.

 

[watzup_ken]

Ray tracing sounds great on paper, but as observed, the performance penalty is too much. So while one can get say a RTX 4080S thinking they can play at 4K, this is not always the case. In many cases, especially with RT on, they are going to be running it at DLSS Balance just to maintain a decent framerate.

 

[Phen8210]

ar... some seriously needs it for work. I have a friend who uses nivida to do these. ar bo is to use it for Onimverse. Then some who are developers for AI but testing at home in small scale.





Yalor, those I can understand why getting a 4090. but for gamers, I think up to 4080s ok liao.. if want RT, ar bo those don't care about RT (it's just a previllage) can just whack 7900XT or even 7900XTX.

Yeah, Nvidia has way better hardware support for AI tasks. I'm using Pytorch with ONNX here.

 

[KleoZy]

Honestly these kind of questions will float around. budget gamers will have to go through such dilemma. Games are just a sort of relaxation but ended up so much headaches for gamers.
I do have friends who bought 2080Ti and such, till they gave up. Ended up play smartphone games. oh well, the sega continues lol.
This is part of the reason I quit gaming like 20 past years ago. no money to keep up.
Though now I can enjoy but no time as there are other more important things in life which requires time.

 

[TanKianW]

Honestly these kind of questions will float around. budget gamers will have to go through such dilemma. Games are just a sort of relaxation but ended up so much headaches for gamers.
I do have friends who bought 2080Ti and such, till they gave up. Ended up play smartphone games. oh well, the sega continues lol.
This is part of the reason I quit gaming like 20 past years ago. no money to keep up.
Though now I can enjoy but no time as there are other more important things in life which requires time.

After getting a PC handheld like Steamdeck for myself, I have been back on gaming on the move and playing more games now! Hahaha. PC hardware are just much more versatile. Who knows it might work for busy individuals like you too, worth considering.

Handheld may not be as powerful as a desktop PC but it is still much better as compared to the past thanks to AMD APUs. Recently, I realised I should have gotten one for myself earlier. Now I just turn off/down all the unnecessary bling which I cannot really see on a handheld screen. I am even fine with playing a 30fps or 40fps action game and JRPGs on my handheld. Got to catch up with the old retro/console games I missed during my schooling days on emulators too. Guess all these come with "age" ​

 

[Phen8210]

What makes you think that I am implying building a homelab is more important than cloud computing or replacing cloud computing? I agree that a curious individual should not be just focusing on experimenting in a homelab but proficient in cloud services too. Like you said, a homelab is usually where they start and that is crucial. Most still stuck on home basic computing coz they have not even started experimenting or building a homelab, regardless of whether they are on a full scale rack mount server or just on a mini-pc. And I still think there should be a balance of both. What could be better when you can test your deployment locally before you try it on the cloud when you can? Anyway, what off-prem on the cloud is just another on-prem for some of the big players. You just got to know which side you serve.

The trend in recent years is moving to hybrid and though not all, but off the cloud due to the high and rising cost in cloud services and computing where large enterprise started to feel the pinch. So bigger players will start moving to their own servers instead of running the high cost cloud services. The initial pain will however be pretty great but cost savings may eventually work out for some. For start-ups, and most other enterprises, SaaS, the cloud services/computing still makes lots of sense.​

No, you misunderstood.

I agree that having some experience with a home lab can make it easier before jumping into the cloud, but it's honestly very insignificant because if one is looking to get cloud-certified, the knowledge required extends way beyond those used for a home lab.

Knowing things in a home lab seems like common sense for young people with a background or education in IT so it's completely optional.

I am simply speaking from what I observed. We are not in the era where people are required to take baby steps anymore

 

[stanlawj]

so as compared with 7900xtx, will the DLSS, FG, RT from nvidia makes it a better choice? im thinking to upgrade my 1080ti. currently doing some comparison for cpu and gpu

The solution currently I find is to choose something not too high end (RTX4070 TI/SUPER etc or lower, maybe RX7900XT) and only upgrade to the best sometime in 2027 when NVIDIA starts facing a glut or AMD finally gets Ray Tracing (RT) working. It's only 3 years away. Sell the initial card and take a 60% loss, then it's moneywise about the same as buying the top end GPU today and holding it 6 years or longer.

Those BFGs like RTX4080 and RTX4090 are really too big and heavy, only support DP1.4 and consumes too much power at full load to enable 4K max quality HDR gaming with RT. Not something I want to use for lifetime of the GPU (7 to 8 years).

 

[ragnarok95]

It's obviously not target at you.

 

[KleoZy]

 

[stanlawj]

Pay attention to any AMD issues. There are some strange issues peculiar to AMD requiring equally peculiar solutions. DX12 games, monitor wake from sleep, etc
https://linustechtips.com/topic/153...-not-buy-amd/?do=findComment&comment=16154565

 

[ragnarok95]

Both amd and Nvidia have their own fair share of issues.

 

[Yongkit]

Both amd and Nvidia have their own fair share of issues.

wait until someone go through this thread....

 

[stanlawj]

wait until someone go through this thread....

Buy and pray. After spending thousands.

 

[NightRaven49]

actually tbh, if ts can wait, better to wait for next gen as both rdna3 and ada are more than a year old at this point, with the next gen flagships coming within a year. so it either means u can likely get the same performance at a cheaper price (either thru lower msrp of new models or clearance sale of current models) or more performance at the same price, so spending big bucks on a soon to be replaced high end card this late into a product cycle is not that worth it imo. there are probably power efficiency gains to be had with newer gen too. but if ts cannot wait, snagging a midrange gpu (eg 7800xt, 4070 super) isnt too bad of an idea from this point of view.

 

[ragnarok95]

When you need a card, you need a card. No choice one.

 

[Yongkit]

actually tbh, if ts can wait, better to wait for next gen as both rdna3 and ada are more than a year old at this point, with the next gen flagships coming within a year. so it either means u can likely get the same performance at a cheaper price (either thru lower msrp of new models or clearance sale of current models) or more performance at the same price, so spending big bucks on a soon to be replaced high end card this late into a product cycle is not that worth it imo. there are probably power efficiency gains to be had with newer gen too. but if ts cannot wait, snagging a midrange gpu (eg 7800xt, 4070 super) isnt too bad of an idea from this point of view.

I felt for GPU when price drop if possible grab the highest tier possible we can afford and not settled for less.

As for vram if possible get the 16GB min as my test on 7900xtx shown even at 1440p ultra native benchmark test like horizons zero dawn would used up to 14GB if you have the headroom for it