Asus WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E routers

[stupidog]

Okay thanks for the idea. 240mm sounds a good one. With that in mind, does router temperature affect the speeds though?

i think so, maybe its the same as a pc cpu bah

 

[JuveZzZ]

Recently got the BT10, notice my mesh node will get DC when I run speed test on MLao. Anyone facing similar issues ? On Starhub. Both nodes are BT10

 

[JuveZzZ]

Just to update seems like when move the node nearer performance was OK without MLO. Seems like the distance between the 2 have to be closer, when compared with a pair of XT8

 

[boxster]

Hi hi, hope to seek some help here. I have a BE88U router and connected it to StarHub fibre broadband ONT.

WAN settings is ‘automatic’ and all config checked by StarHub on site engineer to be correct.

However, I got this problem. Every time I turn on the ONT and router, the router cannot ‘connect’ to the internet (red light indicator on router). I have to turn off and on the router a few times and it will eventually ‘connect’ to internet and the light indicator will then turn white. Any idea why can’t the router auto detect the internet the first time? Am I doing something wrong or some config I need to do? I updated router firmware to the latest already.

Any suggestions I can try to resolve? Thanks in advance!

Hi there,
I am looking to setup something similar next year when my SH contract will be over. Can I check if you are using the RJ45 WAN/LAN point in the BE88U or SFP+ port to connect to the ONT? If you are using the SFP+ port, can you advice what is the transceiver you are using to do so, as I understand the ONT that Starhub provided is RJ45 only.

 

[xiaofan]

Just to update seems like when move the node nearer performance was OK without MLO. Seems like the distance between the 2 have to be closer, when compared with a pair of XT8

That seems to be expected for wireless backhaul. 6GHz has worse coverage than 5GHz. So using 6GHz as backhaul (or mixed 5GHz/6GHz) for Asus ZenWiFi BT10 will be kind of worse than using 5GHz for dedicated wireless backhaul with ZenWiFi XT8 in terms of coverage. You have to reduce the distance between the two nodes.

You may take a look at the following article. The following write-up is about WiFi 6E, but it should apply to triband WiFi 7 AImesh combo as well. I tend to think 6GHz or 5GHz/6GHz backhaul will still be useful in Singapore as we are mostly live in a small space. But we do need to remember that 6GHz band has a shorter range compared to 5GHz.
https://dongknows.com/tips-and-rules-on-picking-the-best-asus-aimesh-combo/

AiMesh wireless combo: Don’t count on the 6GHz band
It’s important to note that all Wi-Fi 6E routers are at least Tri-band, but they have no extra band that can be dedicated for backhauling—you need all three to host clients.

Additionally, the 6GHz band has a short range and can’t work reliably over distance or in a home with walls. (This is completely true; all that marketing hype about the band’s range is false.)

That said, if you use Wi-Fi 6E AiMesh routers, treat them the same as dual-band Wi-Fi 6 (or 5) hardware—use them via wired backhauling or expect reduced performance.

The takeaway is this: Don’t count on the 6GHz unless you live in a small or open space.

 

[xiaofan]

Hi there,
I am looking to setup something similar next year when my SH contract will be over. Can I check if you are using the RJ45 WAN/LAN point in the BE88U or SFP+ port to connect to the ONT? If you are using the SFP+ port, can you advice what is the transceiver you are using to do so, as I understand the ONT that Starhub provided is RJ45 only.

You can check out the following two threads.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...port-switch-and-vq-xgs-pon-onu-stick.7047645/
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/5gbe-and-beyond-ethernet-adapters.7068236/

Usually people will use the 10G RJ45 port as WAN port to connect to the ONT and then use the SFP+ port as LAN port.

In that case, they can use a DAC cable or 10G tranceiver to connect that to the 10G switch or 10G device. If you want to use 10G RJ45 transceiver, there are brands like 10Gtek and other brands mentioned in the two threads as well.

For example, in the first thread, it is said that ASUS China recommends the following SFP+ to 10G RJ45 adaptor for ASUS RT-BE88U:
TP-Link TL-SM510U with support for auto-negotiation (1G, 2.5G, 10G)

But cheaper ones should work as well. You need to confirm with the vendor.

 

[JuveZzZ]

Guess so after reading, will the problem be solved if I add another node ?

 

[xiaofan]

Guess so after reading, will the problem be solved if I add another node ?

That should help the coverage.

Placement of the nodes are also important. Try not have two walls in between the nodes since older flat without LAN ports in the rooms tend to have thick walls.

I assume you use wireless backhaul because you do not have LAN ports in the rooms.

 

[JuveZzZ]

That should help the coverage.

Placement of the nodes are also important. Try not have two walls in between the nodes since older flat without LAN ports on the rooms tend to have thick walls.

I assume you use wireless backhaul because you do not have LAN ports in the rooms.

Hi, mine is a new home, so there is lab port, problem is it's not at the postion that I would like it to be at.Hence use wireless backhaul.

 

[xiaofan]

Hi, mine is a new home, so there is lab port, problem is it's not at the postion that I would like it to be at.Hence use wireless backhaul.

Even if it is not at the ideal location, using Ethernet Backhaul may still give better performance than wireless backhaul. You probably want to carry out some experiments to compare.

 

[Singrish]

Yes wires running around is ugly but regardless of wifi 7 or even wifi 20 when its out, wired is still king in terms of speed & stability & certainly for back haul.

 

[JuveZzZ]

Managed to solve the issue by moving the 2 nodes nearer each other. Now seem stable. There is also a new firmware release today 36808

 

[Yongkit]

https://dongknows.com/asus-rt-be92u-be9700-wi-fi-7-router-review/

Asus RT-BE92U Preview

 

[JuveZzZ]

That seems to be expected for wireless backhaul. 6GHz has worse coverage than 5GHz. So using 6GHz as backhaul (or mixed 5GHz/6GHz) for Asus ZenWiFi BT10 will be kind of worse than using 5GHz for dedicated wireless backhaul with ZenWiFi XT8 in terms of coverage. You have to reduce the distance between the two nodes.

You may take a look at the following article. The following write-up is about WiFi 6E, but it should apply to triband WiFi 7 AImesh combo as well. I tend to think 6GHz or 5GHz/6GHz backhaul will still be useful in Singapore as we are mostly live in a small space. But we do need to remember that 6GHz band has a shorter range compared to 5GHz.
https://dongknows.com/tips-and-rules-on-picking-the-best-asus-aimesh-combo/

AiMesh wireless combo: Don’t count on the 6GHz band
It’s important to note that all Wi-Fi 6E routers are at least Tri-band, but they have no extra band that can be dedicated for backhauling—you need all three to host clients.

Additionally, the 6GHz band has a short range and can’t work reliably over distance or in a home with walls. (This is completely true; all that marketing hype about the band’s range is false.)

That said, if you use Wi-Fi 6E AiMesh routers, treat them the same as dual-band Wi-Fi 6 (or 5) hardware—use them via wired backhauling or expect reduced performance.

The takeaway is this: Don’t count on the 6GHz unless you live in a small or open space.

If that's the case. Will BQ16 be better ? I use 6hz -1 for clients and 6hz-2 for backhaul?

 

[xiaofan]

If that's the case. Will BQ16 be better ? I use 6hz -1 for clients and 6hz-2 for backhaul?

Yes, Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 will be better for wireless backhaul. But it does not have two 6GHz band, rather it has two 5GHz bands.

6GHz-2 is not approved for use in Singapore --> so Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro is not available in Singapore.

 

[JuveZzZ]

Oh like that then no diff from XT8. When it's using 5GHz-2 as a wireless backhual. Will there be speed increase say BT10 vs XT8 wireless backhaul?

 

[Singrish]

Any Asus RT-BE88U user here using it with a SPF+ to 10gbase-t transceiver such as TP-link TL-SM5310-T? Any issues with compatibility, performance, heat issues, etc?

 

[jheff21]

Any Asus RT-BE88U user here using it with a SPF+ to 10gbase-t transceiver such as TP-link TL-SM5310-T? Any issues with compatibility, performance, heat issues, etc?

I am interested in the answer as well.

 

[xiaofan]

Oh like that then no diff from XT8. When it's using 5GHz-2 as a wireless backhual. Will there be speed increase say BT10 vs XT8 wireless backhaul?

There should be an improvement if the mesh node has good connection with the main node. This is especially true if you have WiFi 7 client, or even WiFi 6 160MHz capable client.

ZenWiFi BT10 --> triband WiFi 7 BE18000
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-...wifi-wifi-systems/asus-zenwifi-bt10/techspec/
WiFi 7 (802.11be) (2.4GHz): 2x2 BE 40MHz, up to 688 Mbps
WiFi 7 (802.11be) (5GHz): 4x4 BE160MHz, up to 5764 Mbps ==> this can serve 5GHz clients better than ZenWiFi XT8
WiFi 7 (802.11be) (6GHz): 4x4 BE320MHz, up to 11529 Mbps (say using this as dedicated backhaul), faster but shorter range.

ZenWiFi XT8 --> triband WiFi 6 AX6600
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-...fi-wifi-systems/asus-zenwifi-ax-xt8/techspec/
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (2.4GHz) : 2x2 AX 40MHz, up to 574 Mbps
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (5GHz-1) : 2x2 AX 80MHz, up to 1201 Mbps
WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (5GHz-2) : 4x4 AX 160MHz, up to 4804 Mbps (say using this as dedicated backhaul)

 

[JuveZzZ]

Thanks for the information, how about BT10 vs BQ16 on 5G?