EV or ICE car

[drkcynic]

then how you conclude most toys cars are faster than real cars?

SG roads can go 250km/hour? If everyone keeps to the speed limit, EVs are mostly faster than ICE. That's a fact.

 

[aceminer]

Should I go test drive Tdy LOL.

 

[Maaasa]

i have landed places to charge la... if assuming charging is not a concern? EV better? I oso worry abt the ICE all the carbon taxes thats why.

if charging is not an issue then go for ev la. ev or ice should be based on your lifestyle.

I will not shift my car after I have parked for the day. Those living in places without sufficient lots must be nuts to buy an ev and shift it after finished charging.

 

[Maaasa]

SG roads can go 250km/hour? If everyone keeps to the speed limit, EVs are mostly faster than ICE. That's a fact.

fact hahaha. if eveyone keep to speed limit how can ev be faster than ice? got wings?

 

[mynickname]

Yup. I consider this point under EV Technology.

EV technology is still evolving. It will get better. Just not now. I am driving a hybrid now. I did consider changing to EV. I decided otherwise. Those countries the car won't start because too cold. Singapore is the car won't start because the battery is too hot. When driving a hybrid, the general recommendation is avoid parking the car under direct sunlight. Unfortunately my place of work only has open air carpark.

Has it happened to you before? Car too hot can't start

 

[chiokcc]

Hybrid is probably a better choice for the time being ....

 

[HMAN]

Mis

then how you conclude most toys cars are faster than real cars?

Relatively EV cars have higher torque, instant torque. The acceleration is better than ICE with similar power output.


Plenty of EV with top speed exceeding 250 km/H .
Tesla model 3 Performance, model S plaid, Porsche Taycan ...lotus EV.

You may test drive an EV ( non Cat-A COE) to get a feel of it.

 

[aceminer]

Yup. I consider this point under EV Technology.

EV technology is still evolving. It will get better. Just not now. I am driving a hybrid now. I did consider changing to EV. I decided otherwise. Those countries the car won't start because too cold. Singapore is the car won't start because the battery is too hot. When driving a hybrid, the general recommendation is avoid parking the car under direct sunlight. Unfortunately my place of work only has open air carpark.

Huh cannot start coz too HOT?

 

[standarture]

Mis

Relatively EV cars have higher torque, instant torque. The acceleration is better than ICE with similar power output.


Plenty of EV with top speed exceeding 250 km/H .
Tesla model 3 Performance, model S plaid, Porsche Taycan ...lotus EV.

You may test drive an EV ( non Cat-A COE) to get a feel of it.

So fast also no use. No tactile feedback. Like buttons without springs.

 

[Slowdown]

Has it happened to you before? Car too hot can't start

Not yet. Based on past experience, hybrid battery will start to fail around 8 year mark. I am still 6 months away. So I am in the 'danger' zone.

My thought is that if I heng heng can drive the car until 9th year, then I might sell the car away and buy a new one. If I suay suay need to replace the battery in the next 24 months, then I most likely will renew 5 year coe and try to drive the car until 15 years.

That was why I was considering changing car this quarter (before battery give issue). But my situation has changed. This month I had to divert a sum of money for home repair and hence my saving for car downpayment has been severely depleted. I cannot afford a replacement car now. I will start sourcing for possible battery replacement workshop so that I know who to turn to when my car won't start.

 

[Maaasa]

Mis

Relatively EV cars have higher torque, instant torque. The acceleration is better than ICE with similar power output.


Plenty of EV with top speed exceeding 250 km/H .
Tesla model 3 Performance, model S plaid, Porsche Taycan ...lotus EV.

You may test drive an EV ( non Cat-A COE) to get a feel of it.

of course i know those cars listed. but are those the majority of toy cars on road now? can you list more mainstream ev with at least at top speed of 250km/h

I am already driving a cat b ice. probably not going to change to cat b ev with only 180km/h for similar cost.

better acceleration is pointless when i cannot even get at least 200km/h for 5 secs from mainstream evs

 

[HMAN]

Should I go test drive Tdy LOL.

Please do. The problem is the test drive route is short, hard to gauge

 

[Slowdown]

Huh cannot start coz too HOT?

Battery is sentive to heat. There is actually a filter (for mine it is below the front passenger seat), if it get clogged up with dust, then the air don't pass through and get caught in the battery area. It can degrade the battery. Every time I service my car, I will ask the workshop to clear the filter.

It is very similar to heat management inside a desktop computer. You need to allow cooler air to flow into the computer and exhaust the hot air out. That is how you can cool the computer. Some has complained that their car cannot start during winter time. It is the same principle. Too hot or too cold, the battery will lose it's charge or died.

 

[HMAN]

of course i know those cars listed. but are those the majority of toy cars on road now? can you list more mainstream ev with at least at top speed of 250km/h

I am already driving a cat b ice.

better acceleration is pointless when i cannot even get at least 200km/h for 5 secs from mainstream evs

Can you list me an ICE car doing 5 sec 0-200 km/h. Typo error right?
Sub 5 sec 0-100 km/h EV , plenty.. those above 350 HP likely getting below 5 seconds.



For ICE car, you pay a premium for fast acceleration. Pointless is your own preference, it does not represent the crowd.

 

[Maaasa]

Can you list me an ICE car doing 5 sec 0-200 km/h. Typo error right?
Sub 5 sec 0-100 km/h EV , plenty.. those above 350 HP likely getting below 5 seconds.



For ICE car, you pay a premium for fast acceleration. Pointless is your own preference, it does not represent the crowd.

but i meant was driving at 200km/h for at least 5 secs. not 0-200

 

[Emperor_Hippo]

The facelifted model? I am looking at it too. Is it underpowered if full load?

Yah. Facelifted. One of the first owners in Singapore on 1st batch. Doesn't feel like its underpowered. The turbocharger delivers power where power is needed, it doesn't feel like an uphill struggle on my max carry of 3 humans + luggage on eco mode, in fact, engine rev remains comfortable at slightly below 2000rpm.

100km/h cruise at about slightly under 2000rpm when throttle is engaged. But usually I just do eco mode so i just let go of my gas and let the coasting mode kick in so that engine rev drops to 0.

its a pretty well decked out car, mine's the life plus model since I got it from my SE during the free upgrade period (2nd VW though. My first was the T-Cross. A more fun ride compared to the Tiguan).

Tiguan emphasises alot on safety, so if you are a cheongster, warning beeps on brake alerts due to distance between u and the front car will come on very often.

the autodrive is a boon for that 5secs when you need to hand-off steering wheel for a few seconds (after that, all the warning will kick in liao).

i have tried being utterly distracted when driving. The car kinda sensed it and disabled the huge 15" screen cos i was tapping on it absent mindedly, and of course, warning beep again to "keep my eyes on the road".

yah. Basically whatever b*stard thing you can think of what a cheongster will do, i threw at this car. And the car always have a counter action to slap me back into proper driving.

underrated but necessary features include heater, hand warmer on steering wheel, ventilated seats, heated seats, massage function and kick boot.

quirks include left mirror cannot dip in reverse mode even when it is activated. And random beeps about front assist and side assist unavailable. The former, can't solve. The latter need to bring in for a software upgrade, tell your SE before purchase. I have to send my car in for 2 days cos the beeps got alarmingly bad to the point where service centre cannot manually clear error and its only resolved after software upgrade.

 

[TanSG]

EV if staying in landed with own charger

Hybrid / ICE otherwise - Cos you’ll be fighting with other people for public chargers once more and more EVs on the road. And troublesome to keep track of charging and need to move EV when charging completed cos away charging companies will likely start to introduce idle charges (after you’ve finished charging your EV) when public demand for their EV chargers goes up

 

[HMAN]

Battery is sentive to heat. There is actually a filter (for mine it is below the front passenger seat), if it get clogged up with dust, then the air don't pass through and get caught in the battery area. It can degrade the battery. Every time I service my car, I will ask the workshop to clear the filter.

It is very similar to heat management inside a desktop computer. You need to allow cooler air to flow into the computer and exhaust the hot air out. That is how you can cool the computer. Some has complained that their car cannot start during winter time. It is the same principle. Too hot or too cold, the battery will lose it's charge or died.

My EV with hot temperature battery power cut protection at 60degC, it reduces power output, it does still run the motor.

60degC is a typical high temperature protection value that lithium ion batteries practice .

Under sub zero degC, indeed it is unsafe to operate the lithium ion batteries, industry practice typically will have IC solutions to clamp the lithium ion batteries. Inner layer between cathode and anode punch through / short circuit may occur ?

>>Lithium metal formation: Lithium ions can deposit on the electrode surface and form lithium metal, which can lead to an internal short circuit and a battery fire.

For EV, heating around lithium ion battery pack is applied to get the battery pack back to safe operating temperature.

 

[drkcynic]

Yah. Facelifted. One of the first owners in Singapore on 1st batch. Doesn't feel like its underpowered. The turbocharger delivers power where power is needed, it doesn't feel like an uphill struggle on my max carry of 3 humans + luggage on eco mode, in fact, engine rev remains comfortable at slightly below 2000rpm.

100km/h cruise at about slightly under 2000rpm when throttle is engaged. But usually I just do eco mode so i just let go of my gas and let the coasting mode kick in so that engine rev drops to 0.

its a pretty well decked out car, mine's the life plus model since I got it from my SE during the free upgrade period (2nd VW though. My first was the T-Cross. A more fun ride compared to the Tiguan).

Tiguan emphasises alot on safety, so if you are a cheongster, warning beeps on brake alerts due to distance between u and the front car will come on very often.

the autodrive is a boon for that 5secs when you need to hand-off steering wheel for a few seconds (after that, all the warning will kick in liao).

i have tried being utterly distracted when driving. The car kinda sensed it and disabled the huge 15" screen cos i was tapping on it absent mindedly, and of course, warning beep again to "keep my eyes on the road".

yah. Basically whatever b*stard thing you can think of what a cheongster will do, i threw at this car. And the car always have a counter action to slap me back into proper driving.

underrated but necessary features include heater, hand warmer on steering wheel, ventilated seats, heated seats, massage function and kick boot.

quirks include left mirror cannot dip in reverse mode even when it is activated. And random beeps about front assist and side assist unavailable. The former, can't solve. The latter need to bring in for a software upgrade, tell your SE before purchase. I have to send my car in for 2 days cos the beeps got alarmingly bad to the point where service centre cannot manually clear error and its only resolved after software upgrade.

Personally not a car person, so EV is for me. Acceleration, safety and reliability is all I need.

No more of underpowered nonsense (hot day car become sluggish or what not) or maintenance issues.

 

[Evcats]

EV if staying in landed with own charger

Hybrid / ICE otherwise - Cos you’ll be fighting with other people for public chargers once more and more EVs on the road. And troublesome to keep track of charging and need to move EV when charging completed cos away charging companies will likely start to introduce idle charges (after you’ve finished charging your EV) when public demand for their EV chargers goes up

I don’t stay in landed but find very convenient to charge my EV in malls, I never have range anxiety as I‘l charge whenever there are available charging lots available, 10-20% typically for 1-2hrs slow charging, matching the time I’m spending in the malls anyway.
dont need to charge everyday so theres no stress at all so far…