EV or ICE car

[Emperor_Hippo]

Personally not a car person, so EV is for me. Acceleration, safety and reliability is all I need.

No more of underpowered nonsense (hot day car become sluggish or what not) or maintenance issues.

Hmmm, maybe i don't feel it. But hot day feel sluggish? That whole "cold air better for engine" right? Not that I'd felt it though.

the biggest turn off for me not getting an electric is the advertised WLTP range vs real world range (that you need to factor 20% discount between paper and real world).

Not forgetting, 100% of battery but can only charge to 80% and have to keep the battery at about 20% charge remaining + cannot run the battery to 1% and then blast up the charge to 100% and use until shiok shiok?

Boomer maybe, but hey, i paid for the car. I expect to use 100% of it.

 

[Evcats]

Hmmm, maybe i don't feel it. But hot day feel sluggish? That whole "cold air better for engine" right? Not that I'd felt it though.

the biggest turn off for me not getting an electric is the advertised WLTP range vs real world range (that you need to factor 20% discount between paper and real world).

Not forgetting, 100% of battery but can only charge to 80% and have to keep the battery at about 20% charge remaining + cannot run the battery to 1% and then blast up the charge to 100% and use until shiok shiok?

Boomer maybe, but hey, i paid for the car. I expect to use 100% of it.

I paid $X for the car, I expect to have smart/self/auto driving features, entertainment, OTA features update, remote access of car, smooth ride - EV check the boxes within budget compares to ICE. close to 400km of driving range is sufficient for my needs.

 

[paperplane1943]

Funny thing is, all the EV owners i have met so far always encourage me to get EV.

The only people who tell me dont get an EV, is unusually super negative about EV. After chatting with them, they actually never owned an EV, never even test drive before or been to EV showroom.

There are some who are indifferent or keeping options open (mostly worried about charging infrastructure)

Ironic

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

It is purely my personal definition. I see it as mainstream when more than 50% of the cars are EV. It is getting there. Another 5 years I believe (as mentioned in my initial posting). I also see it as mainstream when all the support elements are in place. Today, where do you go if you want to check the health of your car battery. Where you go when you need to replace the battery. Your car is 2+ years and most probably under warranty. What happens when it is out of warranty. How much will the AD charge you for replacing your car battery. The cost of owning a car is not just the purchase price. It also include the maintenance and replacement cost.

EV warranty for China makes like BYD is 10 years for battery, 10 years for servicing (which Tesla says is not even necessary), and 6 years for vehicle. This is impossible for ICE cars, which requires routine ICE servicing. Electric motors are totally different. This is the reason why EV is a mindset change from ICE. The traditional thinking of ICE ownership and running cost is different.

 

[drkcynic]

Hmmm, maybe i don't feel it. But hot day feel sluggish? That whole "cold air better for engine" right? Not that I'd felt it though.

the biggest turn off for me not getting an electric is the advertised WLTP range vs real world range (that you need to factor 20% discount between paper and real world).

Not forgetting, 100% of battery but can only charge to 80% and have to keep the battery at about 20% charge remaining + cannot run the battery to 1% and then blast up the charge to 100% and use until shiok shiok?

Boomer maybe, but hey, i paid for the car. I expect to use 100% of it.

Can la, I charged however way I want, didn't bother. Only lost less than 4% in 2+ years.

If can hit the below 70% range before warranty up lagi better go change battery.

But so far the battery still strong i think cannot game the warranty liao lol.

 

[eversomighty]

if i dont intend to sell just scrape.

which one better? my car expiring soon within a yr+

u think your battery will last a full COE term?

 

[GreatPumpkin]

u think your battery will last a full COE term?

BYD now offering 10 yrs warranty on battery and 10 yrs free servicing.

 

[eversomighty]

BYD now offering 10 yrs warranty on battery and 10 yrs free servicing.

this kind of trickery stuffs got terms and conditions one mah. example u need to go below x amount of mileage per year to keep your warranty. All car repairs, parts, expendables must be done at their workshop. During that time, chop carrot also not too late. Don't trust marketing too much(I come from car dealership background last time)

 

[drkcynic]

BYD now offering 10 yrs warranty on battery and 10 yrs free servicing.

Power sia BYD, basically worry free.

Will buy this over a toyota ICE 10/10.

 

[testerjp]

Now you go learn driving, there's this "Elite team category with higher pass rate", only for EV.

Need to pay extra to learn, iirc only ten cars available at Ubi CDC.


Just press P, D, handbrake also press button.
Leg two paddles.

 

[eversomighty]

Funny thing is, all the EV owners i have met so far always encourage me to get EV.

The only people who tell me dont get an EV, is unusually super negative about EV. After chatting with them, they actually never owned an EV, never even test drive before or been to EV showroom.

There are some who are indifferent or keeping options open (mostly worried about charging infrastructure)

Ironic

cos the EV owners have yet the chance to go to workshops of ADs for big repairs... battery pack can't be repair if damaged by accident and god knows how long it will stay in the workshop. EV insurance are also more expensive than ICE as well. U prob have not seen EV exploding on streets of China on douyin. The car would be beyond repair then and insurance payout might not be able to cover if they pay u.

 

[eversomighty]

Hybrid is probably a better choice for the time being ....

not all hybrids are the same. Nissan works differently from the rest. its more like EV powered by petrol burning engine while the rest is assisted by electric motor/s.

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

this kind of trickery stuffs got terms and conditions one mah. example u need to go below x amount of mileage per year to keep your warranty. All car repairs, parts, expendables must be done at their workshop. During that time, chop carrot also not too late. Don't trust marketing too much(I come from car dealership background last time)

Your perspective is still from that of ICE dealerships marketing. EV is different from an engineering perspective. Tesla tells me once they deliver the car to customers they basically do not need to see them again. Because there is almost no requirement of car servicing in the traditional sense. Only replacing consumables which owners can carry out themselves. BYD gives 10 year battery warranty which basically covers the entire coe lifespan. Meanwhile battery tech will only keep improving and better. Whereas fossil fuel technology and innovation has already reached its pinnacle and limit. This is why EV is the future.

 

[eversomighty]

Not yet. Based on past experience, hybrid battery will start to fail around 8 year mark. I am still 6 months away. So I am in the 'danger' zone.

My thought is that if I heng heng can drive the car until 9th year, then I might sell the car away and buy a new one. If I suay suay need to replace the battery in the next 24 months, then I most likely will renew 5 year coe and try to drive the car until 15 years.

That was why I was considering changing car this quarter (before battery give issue). But my situation has changed. This month I had to divert a sum of money for home repair and hence my saving for car downpayment has been severely depleted. I cannot afford a replacement car now. I will start sourcing for possible battery replacement workshop so that I know who to turn to when my car won't start.

if u dont intend to extend coe then dont repair the hybrid battery and drive like a non hybrid car will do. hybrid battery replacement is still costly and EV battery lagi more expensive.

 

[Emperor_Hippo]

this kind of trickery stuffs got terms and conditions one mah. example u need to go below x amount of mileage per year to keep your warranty. All car repairs, parts, expendables must be done at their workshop. During that time, chop carrot also not too late. Don't trust marketing too much(I come from car dealership background last time)

marketing is repackaging shiet with hope and praying the next sucker comes onboard.

know yourself is the best defence against bs marketinf

 

[eversomighty]

Your perspective is still from that of ICE dealerships marketing. EV is different from an engineering perspective. Tesla tells me once they deliver the car to customers they basically do not need to see them again. Because there is almost no requirement of car servicing in the traditional sense. Only replacing consumables which owners can carry out themselves. BYD gives 10 year battery warranty which basically covers the entire coe lifespan. Meanwhile battery tech will only keep improving and better. Whereas fossil fuel technology and innovation has already reached its pinnacle and limit. This is why EV is the future.

ICE or EV dealership marketing still the same fellas, BYD is from sime darby also sells BMW, Peugeot. u reckon no wear and tear from your EV motors over time? BYD is notorious for its lousy parts in China, FYI. High tech is one thing, wear and tear is another. Your usable range is very very limited considering only using between 20 to 80% to keep the battery healthy.

 

[eversomighty]

marketing is repackaging shiet with hope and praying the next sucker comes onboard.

know yourself is the best defence against bs marketinf

no wonder people these days keep getting scammed and later scold gehment

 

[messidona]

Nowadays people can learn driving using EV. Last time only got laopok manual transmission cars

 

[drkcynic]

Funny thing is, all the EV owners i have met so far always encourage me to get EV.

The only people who tell me dont get an EV, is unusually super negative about EV. After chatting with them, they actually never owned an EV, never even test drive before or been to EV showroom.

There are some who are indifferent or keeping options open (mostly worried about charging infrastructure)

Ironic

Haha, exactly...

I see some people post, can tell never owned or even tried to find out about EVs, but full of vitriol and wrong information.

Actually realistically, people don't buy more EVs, better for current owners.

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

ICE or EV dealership marketing still the same fellas, BYD is from sime darby also sells BMW, Peugeot. u reckon no wear and tear from your EV motors over time? BYD is notorious for its lousy parts in China, FYI. High tech is one thing, wear and tear is another. Your usable range is very very limited considering only using between 20 to 80% to keep the battery healthy.

Indeed I am disappointed that BYD chose to enter Spore market working with the usual suspects like Sime Darby. Tesla imo has a better marketing model without these middlemen that has little value add. I think we can put the tech discussion aside. Because quite frankly there is little to discuss. EV is the future and ICE is legacy and fast on the way out.