(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

[jkohlc2]

whenever you guys buy new beans, how do you get the recipe /brew ratio for the beans ?
do you guys usually trial and error ?
just feel bit of wastage this way as usually first few cups would be thrown away.

waste 就 waste, 没有办法的

usually just dose 18g because my portafilter basket is 18g

just try to hit 36g yield in 30s then adjust from there

too sour? grind finer a bit

too bitter? grind coarser a bit

taste ok? don't change anything

 

[mamboeidos]

dunno y sometimes i grind fine till extract takes 2 mins for 36g while trying to dial in also sour leh....

 

[hardwaregone]

If your extraction can't finish in 30 seconds, that already sounds like a problem.
2 minutes, must be over extracted till the notes are razor sharp and super unpleasant.

Lighter roast are sour, just go for those italian darker roasts.
A darker roast that retains some acidic and fruitiness is well done in my opinion.

 

[wira]

any recommendation for cheap and good coffee beans for beginner since going to be doing lots of trial and error and no point getting expensive beans

 

[hardwaregone]

any recommendation for cheap and good coffee beans for beginner since going to be doing lots of trial and error and no point getting expensive beans

Go one big round, still go back to them
https://www.finecoffeecompany.com

 

[potato13]

any recommendation for cheap and good coffee beans for beginner since going to be doing lots of trial and error and no point getting expensive beans

https://yongsengcoffee.com/products/the-arabica-blend?variant=30985859465269
Go down tiong bahru market.. Decent i feel for beginner..
i also went thru quite alot of beans from them...

Testing dial, testing time, testing temp..

 

[jkohlc2]

dunno y sometimes i grind fine till extract takes 2 mins for 36g while trying to dial in also sour leh....

120 seconds for 36g like too excessive already

can try grinding coarser and see how the taste is like

 

[jkohlc2]

any recommendation for cheap and good coffee beans for beginner since going to be doing lots of trial and error and no point getting expensive beans

tiagong redman/phoon huat beans are quite decent

 

[jkohlc2]

can join this local based group for more info sharing

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2178113932238681/

 

[mamboeidos]

why i got 2min was becos i am using J-max hand grinder and for espresso they say 120 clicks.....

I tried 125 clicks tool 55 sec....maybe need to go to 130 clicks instead of 120 clicks

 

[hardwaregone]

Follow and judge from the flow, not what they say.

 

[wira]

Go one big round, still go back to them
https://www.finecoffeecompany.com

thanks. their prices looks competitive and i like they also give the extraction tips for espresso.
interesting their recommended brew ratio is 1:1 instead of the usual 1:2.

 

[zyklon86]

Go one big round, still go back to them
https://www.finecoffeecompany.com

Their website say italy roasted wor, I read it as roasted in italy, not Italian roast.

Like that fresh meh?

 

[hardwaregone]

Their website say italy roasted wor, I read it as roasted in italy, not Italian roast.

Like that fresh meh?

I've been buying different beans in the office and the staff especially the expats still prefer this.

I never had a problem. Crema is nice for the dark roast, no oily beans. Those flowery fruity or honey notes which normally deteriorate the soonest from oxidation are all there.
So what should I be concerned about?

I had more problems with some of the local roasters over consistency.

 

[wira]

I've been buying different beans in the office and the staff especially the expats still prefer this.

I never had a problem. Crema is nice for the dark roast, no oily beans. Those flowery fruity or honey notes which normally deteriorate the soonest from oxidation are all there.
So what should I be concerned about?

I had more problems with some of the local roasters over consistency.

usually whats the roast date when you purchase it ? like how long since the roast date will it be delivered to you ?

 

[hardwaregone]

usually whats the roast date when you purchase it ? like how long since the roast date will it be delivered to you ?

It only has a best before date.
I no longer chase roast dates with them and I don't think it matters.

Last CNY I found a more than 1 yr old 1kg bag that some fellow chucked behind some Maggi mee in the pantry. Can't find any key difference besides a new batch.

My days of chasing all those intelligentsia, Fika Fika, and whatever coffee are over.
I think the best nordic roast I had was Fika Fika from Taiwan, but being S$50+ for a 450g pack and most casual drinkers tell me it's just so so, so why waste money and time.

 

[zyklon86]

I've been buying different beans in the office and the staff especially the expats still prefer this.

I never had a problem. Crema is nice for the dark roast, no oily beans. Those flowery fruity or honey notes which normally deteriorate the soonest from oxidation are all there.
So what should I be concerned about?

I had more problems with some of the local roasters over consistency.

"Expats still prefer this"

Lol. My expats colleagues love Jura and nespresso.

I can tell difference in fresh, 1wk, 1mth beans. Most people can just by looking at the pull.

I find the established local roasters quite consistent. Either consistently good or consistently bad. Some of the online ones...I don't even know if they are mislabeling their beans.

 

[calbay]

Established brands like Fourty Hands are closing down though.

You can't really tell how good is a shot by looking at the shot.
Back then when I was working with this cafe in the states, working alongside with WBC, we used fresh roast solely for photoshoot. We would wait till it degas a certain number of days else it could get really flat. We always stir the espresso and taste the shot before judging from there.

The problem is it's almost impossible to judge how much beans have degas till the point for our usage. Sometimes it could go off really quickly in the summers. Especially the ones with lighter roasts which have very crema to begin with. Consistency is never easy to control.

Later on, we realised that the average joes don't care anyway.

 

[jkohlc2]

why i got 2min was becos i am using J-max hand grinder and for espresso they say 120 clicks.....

I tried 125 clicks tool 55 sec....maybe need to go to 130 clicks instead of 120 clicks

no hard and fast rule

every grinder is different

every bean is different

adjust until you reach 30 seconds, or your desired taste

 

[jkohlc2]

Established brands like Fourty Hands are closing down though.

You can't really tell how good is a shot by looking at the shot.
Back then when I was working with this cafe in the states, working alongside with WBC, we used fresh roast solely for photoshoot. We would wait till it degas a certain number of days else it could get really flat. We always stir the espresso and taste the shot before judging from there.

The problem is it's almost impossible to judge how much beans have degas till the point for our usage. Sometimes it could go off really quickly in the summers. Especially the ones with lighter roasts which have very crema to begin with. Consistency is never easy to control.

Later on, we realised that the average joes don't care anyway.

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