Intel ARC series GPU (Over 40% perf/$ vs Nvidia)

[final1]

did u watch the video at all? he states very clearly that rebar was enabled for all his results, which does exist on certain 300 series mobos like the one he used. rebar definitely had an effect, but it was still not enough to save the b580 from falling apart in certain scenarios.

I did.
While rebar was enabled, the CPU used is not in the specific* list of supported CPUs as per system requirements. SPECIFIC.
Duh. Reviewer should state so upfront to be fair.

Please be fair if you are going to be an impartial "professional" reviewer.

He did not follow the basic system requirements and then he says the performance was not good in that specific setup. What is his point? Nothing?

* Intel 10th gen or later. Ryzen 3000 or later.

 

[NightRaven49]

While rebar was enabled, the CPU used is not the specific list of supported CPUs.

rebar was ur main argument, which u would have seen that it was moot not even halfway through the video.
and again,

i think even if u get a "supported system", if the cpu performance on offer is roughly similar to the 2600/9600k, u would still see similar results.

i do feel the original premise of the hwc video is quite pertinent, since not everyone who wants to upgrade their pc may be even aware of all these info, and just upgrade to b580 without upgrading to a supported cpu. tbh, even i didnt know there was a cpu support list until u brought it up

 

[final1]

rebar was ur main argument, which u would have seen that it was moot not even halfway through the video.
and again,

Don't tell lies. See what i wrote. You did not even read fully what i said.

Quote myself
this reviewer needs to check his brain.
Yes, resizable bar is required for the B580.
Intel specifically states its a requirement.
So, whats there to criticise if you dump it in a system that doesn't have resizable bar.
Intel even uses the word "MUST" have resizable bar. Please think through whether this criticism is fair or not.
Also, please note that the supported CPU generations are stated clearly and the intel 9000 series the reviewer uses is not in the list. He can try it if he wants but it is not in the list and he should be upfront that he is testing it with a chip that is not officially stated it supports.

 

[NightRaven49]

Don't tell lies. See what i wrote. You did not even read fully what i said.

Quote myself
this reviewer needs to check his brain.
Yes, resizable bar is required for the B580.
Intel specifically states its a requirement.
So, whats there to criticise if you dump it in a system that doesn't have resizable bar.
Intel even uses the word "MUST" have resizable bar. Please think through whether this criticism is fair or not.
Also, please note that the supported CPU generations are stated clearly and the intel 9000 series the reviewer uses is not in the list. He can try it if he wants but it is not in the list and he should be upfront that he is testing it with a chip that is not officially stated it supports.

ur opening argument was about rebar, u dedicated 4 lines of that reply to rebar vs 3 lines for the cpu support, and specifically asked for criticism about ur rebar argument. anyway, u wouldnt even have brought rebar up if u watched the video like u said.

 

[final1]

I cut the story short. The manufacturer has stated the basic system requirements.
FOLLOW.
This is not new. This is basic.
If you don’t follow, and the system does not perform as expected, there should be no complaints.
But, if it still performs as expected, good!
Am I speaking Russian or something?

 

[philips107]

rebar was ur main argument, which u would have seen that it was moot not even halfway through the video.
and again,


i do feel the original premise of the hwc video is quite pertinent, since not everyone who wants to upgrade their pc may be even aware of all these info, and just upgrade to b580 without upgrading to a supported cpu. tbh, even i didnt know there was a cpu support list until u brought it up

I am a a little confused on rebar.

For an old motherboard, if the bios can be flashed to support rebar, is that all that is required?

or die die for intel cpus, must be intel gen 10 and above as well?

 

[iceblendedchoc]

usually buy gpu on nvidia or amd no need see cpu support or not. as long the motherboard and psu can support and slot in can work already.

 

[NightRaven49]

I am a a little confused on rebar.

For an old motherboard, if the bios can be flashed to support rebar, is that all that is required?

or die die for intel cpus, must be intel gen 10 and above as well?

ive also read conflicting info for rebar support for older systems. for intel side i see reports that coffee lake (8/9th gen) has working rebar provided the motherboard has the bios for it, but amd side got people say that ryzen 1000/2000 are "emulating rebar" despite having the option in bios, will need to read more.

i wouldnt call having to read a cpu support list for a gpu basic, as if it were basic u wont even need to worry about it like on nvidia and amd gpus like iceblendedchoc mentioned. had hwu and hwc tested with a ryzen 5 3600 or i3 10100 (both supported cpus while being roughly on par with the 9600k in gaming), i think the results with those would be more conclusive, but i would not be surprised if they end up similar to what have been shown with non supported cpus.

 

[fkchon]

did u watch the video at all? he states very clearly that rebar was enabled for all his results, which does exist on certain 300 series mobos like the one he used. rebar definitely had an effect, but it was still not enough to save the b580 from falling apart in certain scenarios.


i think even if u get a "supported system", if the cpu performance on offer is roughly similar to the 2600/9600k, u would still see similar results.

Rebar support is required on both motherboard level and CPU level though. I don't think Ryzen 1000-2000 series had any support at all, it was only added for 3000 series.

 

[NightRaven49]

Rebar support is required on both motherboard level and CPU level though. I don't think Ryzen 1000-2000 series had any support at all, it was only added for 3000 series.

ya looks like only zen2 and above have proper rebar support, while as i mentioned in my previous post zen/+ may not reap the benefits despite probably having the option in bios.
on another note, maybe pcie bandwidth may be to blame as well? since both test systems were pcie3 only which is not great for x8 cards like the b580.

 

[fkchon]

ya looks like only zen2 and above have proper rebar support, while as i mentioned in my previous post zen/+ may not reap the benefits despite probably having the option in bios.
on another note, maybe pcie bandwidth may be to blame as well? since both test systems were pcie3 only which is not great for x8 cards like the b580.

Should be fine, when 4090 released PCIE3 and PCIE4 only had about 5% difference max.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html

 

[soreloser]

Seems like there is an actual CPU Overhead cost/issue with the B580 that couldn't be seen with just the 9800X3D. Even with Rebar enabled, large losses from lower to mid tier cpus

 

[fkchon]

Crazy how even 5700X3D and 7600 is suffering from this issue.

 

[iceblendedchoc]

Crazy how even 5700X3D and 7600 is suffering from this issue.

this is not good. no one sane will pay for a 9800x3d just to pair with a b580. The likely pairing will always be older CPUs

 

[final1]

Crazy how even 5700X3D and 7600 is suffering from this issue.

My setup is a 7500F + B580. 9800X3D on the way (i got it at MSRP so whatever ; super-overkill for B580).
My situation is basically what the 'good' reviews say.
Max settings in most titles at 1440p/60fps locked with this GPU. I lock things at 60 fps to keep temps low.
I can only complain that idle power draw is a little high (18-20W) as my MOBO doesn't allow me to play with ASPM settings and i have searched high and low (intel has specific instructions on what to set it as so as to keep idle power draw low ; but it doesn't affect gameplay).

 

[NightRaven49]

as expected, the 3600 struggles in hwu testing despite being on the support list, though i was not expecting significantly faster cpus like the 57x3d being affected as well. that said, it is important to remember that this cpu overhead issue does not affect all games, only those that are more cpu intensive and at lower resolutions. when the b580 is being fully utilised (eg at higher resolutions), it should generally perform well compared to the competition.

 

[Yongkit]

this is not good. no one sane will pay for a 9800x3d just to pair with a b580. The likely pairing will always be older CPUs

honestly it also change my perception used to be buying higher gpu upgrade cpu or possible new platform, never will i ever consider buying a budget gpu of spending more than 1.5x more of the cost of GPU just to make it suit the game.

 

[Phen8210]

The product just launched, yet some keep shilling, telling everyone to buy it for its price-to-raster performance ratio and now this happens.

As I've already said, buying a GPU involves more than just that factor, intel arc is still new, its driver are unrefined and the gpu might have unexpected issues.

Intel is not even a company with good track record in making discrete GPU like nv/amd, why would anyone even recommend to jump the gun on this?

Sometimes, the level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.

 

[final1]

I am a a little confused on rebar.

For an old motherboard, if the bios can be flashed to support rebar, is that all that is required?

or die die for intel cpus, must be intel gen 10 and above as well?

There are older gen intel CPUs that support rebar.
But for the B580, intel has outright said 10th gen and above only are supported.
So, like those 'negative' videos show, you can run the B580 with older than intel 10th gen processors and enable rebar. Another video showed him running it with Ryzen 2000 series but they deceptively did not inform viewers that it is outside the minimum spec.

Like you review a car that upfront says it only takes 98 petrol but you put 92 petrol in it and then you say the car sucks but you don't tell the audience that you were told the car is supposed to be used with 98 petrol. Is that professional?

After doing that, this 'reviewer' comes out surprised when the performance was sub-optimal and then he says he does not recommend the GPU to people with those older processors.
Gee, i could have known that from the box and reading the system requirements. In fact, i wouldn't even buy it since i don't meet the system requirements. Obvious? Is he dumb?

 

[Phen8210]

the reviewer is not wrong doing what they wish to review, and sharing psa of its strengh and weakness, also at the same time they do show how good it is with newer cpu, no?

I understand how it feel when others showcase the weakness of our beloved gpu being criticise dont worry i am also a gpu lover,

if i were to consider the overall package for this B580 (249 USD) and checking online data, it is on par with Nvidia 2080Super (699 USD) flagship tier level performance at discounted price point (50 USD per year) so nothing WOW comparing to current Flagship tier.

it is as simple as a good budget for 1440p gaming and know what you needed is important.

GPU Flagship tier is always a benchmarking for next gpu performance. Intel started 5 years late if this B580 consider as their flagship and have lots of catching up.

GN did state that despite the price perf ratio he would still hold back his recommendation to the typical consumer because intel is still in the early stages of creating arc gpus.

A lot of people don't usually watch the conclusion part, and after they watch the price/perf parts of the vid, they just praise it endlessly and start recommending it to others.

This is the typical retard behavior.